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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.27 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 27/10/2003 23:33:42
Nice addition; possible bugs:
* when placing sale orders, the prices are rounded to the nearest tenth. e.g 100.25 becomes 100.30, 100.24 becomes 100.20 and so on. The market displays the prices with 2 (rounded up/down) decimal places, though.
* the sale/buy orders in the Wallet are displayed without the part past the decimal point: 100.25 is displayed as 100 etc.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.28 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 27/10/2003 23:33:42
Nice addition; possible bugs:
* when placing sale orders, the prices are rounded to the nearest tenth. e.g 100.25 becomes 100.30, 100.24 becomes 100.20 and so on. The market displays the prices with 2 (rounded up/down) decimal places, though.
* the sale/buy orders in the Wallet are displayed without the part past the decimal point: 100.25 is displayed as 100 etc.
Tell me this is a joke?
It's already bad enough with multiple buy/sell orders for the same item at the same station, altering the price by 1 isk overwrites all others. But now we're going to have to contend with tenths of an isk?
Seriously, the only item I can think of possibly needing tenths of an isk is tritanium. Is making buying and selling on the market an even bigger exercise in frustration trully worth the ability to price tritanium at 1.3 isk? 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
soltys
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Posted - 2003.10.28 11:04:00 -
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As long as my subscription is still active, few points:
Instead of adding this feature (which would be nice thing if market was working ok), fix/change:
- change: ability to see all orders in one station, not only the best one. it's stupid that someone can hide completely 100k piece of ammo at fair price with 100 rounds found on some pirate (more or less it's what Jash Illian said).
- fix: before market interface change few months ago, bubbles regarding buy orders used to be relevant. It means - you could actually use demand map for knowing what you can sell where and with what quantity. Now you can't - bubbless are independent from buy order range - so tables are basically the only thing for this. Unless you're mouse hoovering freak. There were better methods to fix things like region-wide 1 isk buy orders (i.e. filters)
- fix: Remember my lenghty posts about bid column in market groups list, and how they are incosistent with demand map (now with tables, because demand map is kinda not working well) ? Well this "column" is still kinda useless. You can't use it for judging demand at all. You must manually click every good and check demand tables with "active only" turn off.
- other things regarding market (esp. commodity market), trade routes, etc. You know the stuff.
A little sarcastic, but it's like I don't know which time I repeat myself (not counting posts by other people). Fix your stuff before implementing new stuff........
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:18:00 -
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[quoteSeriously, the only item I can think of possibly needing tenths of an isk is tritanium. Is making buying and selling on the market an even bigger exercise in frustration trully worth the ability to price tritanium at 1.3 isk?
Depends whether or not you like mining Veldspar. Personally I don't. I also don't like having to use trade channel, travel and a trade window to buy Trit/Pyr. I'd like to post a buy order, and for cheaper things you buy in huge quanities round numbers suck
This will also most likely affect the ammo market, especially for those who buy in bulk. As large corps and stock exchanges show us every day in RL, fractions of a cent are important over time.
BS Trit needs: 9 mil. At 1 Isk, 9 mil. At 2 Isk 18 mil  At 1.6 Isk (roughly going rate in trade, give or take) 14.4 mil. Personally I'd love to save 3.6 mil per BS without having to waste my time and lost income looking for a Trit supplier.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Archa
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Posted - 2003.10.28 22:55:00 -
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I think to that there are many problems with the market system as well.
But this new feature seems harmless. And is very important to people selling tritanium. And there are alot of people selling tritanium!
not me though:P
but still:P
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 29/10/2003 00:02:42
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Depends whether or not you like mining Veldspar. Personally I don't. I also don't like having to use trade channel, travel and a trade window to buy Trit/Pyr. I'd like to post a buy order, and for cheaper things you buy in huge quanities round numbers suck
This will also most likely affect the ammo market, especially for those who buy in bulk. As large corps and stock exchanges show us every day in RL, fractions of a cent are important over time.
BS Trit needs: 9 mil. At 1 Isk, 9 mil. At 2 Isk 18 mil At 1.6 Isk (roughly going rate in trade, give or take) 14.4 mil. Personally I'd love to save 3.6 mil per BS without having to waste my time and lost income looking for a Trit supplier.
BW
Partially cross-posted from a thread I started in General Discussions
On a Tempest blueprint with 0 mineral research manufactured by a person with production efficiency 5 you're talking about a maximum variation in price of 8,110,137 isk. That's from a base of 1.0 isk per unit of trit up to 2 isk per unit of trit.
Applied to all minerals required to create a battleship, yes this provides a wide range of competition between manufacturers.
Do you think anyone's going to flip out over the ability to buy a Tempest for 94,999,999.90 isk?
No, but such a feature will be used to cover up your Tempests in the station for 95,000,000.00 isk. It's already frustrating enough for people that manufacture to have no way to combat the -1 isk people that call themselves "Competitors" other than wait for their supply/demand to disappear or stay online in station repricing to stay on top of them.
Making it for 1/10th of an ISK is just insulting.
There's a whole forest beyond that tree you're eyeballing, Bobby.
P.S.
I don't mine veldspar either. We shave isk buying ore and purchasing other minerals where there is already a variation wider than double the price.
Now are you ready to sit there having to travel to every single station to unmask all the sell orders in that station to make sure someone isn't using 312 units of Trit @ 1.3 per unit to mask the 7.8 million units @ 1.4. So you'll buy his 5m trit @ 1.5 per unit instead?
There's a whole forest beyond that tree you're eyeballing, Bobby.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Helison
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:22:00 -
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I like this new addition!
It will be very good for selling trit and ammunition and it will have no real consequences for selling (or buying) items which are more expensive.
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Wulfnor
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Posted - 2003.10.30 01:12:00 -
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Perhaps restricting it to tenths usable only in the ores and minerals section might make this a better change. allow it in Projectile and Hybrid ammo section if it is appropriate.
I fail to see the need for adjusting the price of a Blackbird by .01 isk. On the other hand maybe I am missing out on tremendous deals.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.30 01:26:00 -
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I like this new addition!
It will be very good for selling trit and ammunition and it will have no real consequences for selling (or buying) items which are more expensive.
Except being used as a means to cover up other suppliers and undercut competition by insulting ammounts.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Torze
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Posted - 2003.10.30 04:47:00 -
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I honestly don't see the problem with this. With the exception of Trit; How does this help one corp undercut another corp. They can and WILL do this anyway. They should do this..that is business. I do agree that we should be able to see the total amount of a particular item that is for sale; not just the best price. However, this change is good...trit is becoming a very valued comodity and there is no way to properly sell it on the market.
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Helison
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Posted - 2003.10.30 11:07:00 -
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For underbidding the price of an BB, it doesnŠt matter if you underbid by 1 ISK (like now) or by 0.1 ISK (after the patch). For items above 10k ISK it wonŠt change anything. From 50-10000 ISK it will be perhaps a small problem with underbidding by 0.1 ISK and below 50 ISK it is a good addition.
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Sabrun Nestor
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Posted - 2003.10.30 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sabrun Nestor on 30/10/2003 17:41:11
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I like this new addition!
It will be very good for selling trit and ammunition and it will have no real consequences for selling (or buying) items which are more expensive.
Except being used as a means to cover up other suppliers and undercut competition by insulting ammounts.
I agree. This is not acceptable. I can't figure out why they don't just fix the market (AND YES IT IS BROKEN!) so that you can see everything for sale and who is selling it etc. etc. There are far more factors that figure into buying/selling than just the price. For example: I wouldn't buy anything from a known pirate no matter what he was selling it for. Alas, I have done so under the current system because there is no way to freaking know what the hell you are doing before you do it. Sloppy sloppy development/programming. This is ridiculous...
My employer is very unhappy...
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.10.31 10:04:00 -
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I don't know if this means anything, But i sold a Megathron for 91 Mil and when I checked my wallet someone had paid me 90,680,00. Is it rounding that too??
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Helison
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Posted - 2003.10.31 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Helison on 31/10/2003 10:39:53
About 0.4% (or 0.35%) of every market-transaction are lost (maybe as SCC-fee???).
Or is it still a bug from the former corp-taxes (which I believed in the beginning)?
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Will McBlack
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Posted - 2003.10.31 11:28:00 -
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I wonder if it would be possible to put limits to the 1 isk underbidding on the market. If you wanna sell an item the market forces you to at least put your price like 5-10% of the lowest value? I realise this will need a lot of tuning but it'll prevent this stupid behaviour. Notwithstanding a potential buyer probably checks the map for other selling locations and compares to prices and then decides where he or she wants to make the additional 10 jumps to save 1 isk. 
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:21:00 -
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There's a few things you always have to consider with the market (as with all things really): bandwidth, memory and processor time.
The market has in the past proved very capable of eating these at a prodigious rate. I fear that simply attempting to pump out all the orders would be impractical, and possibly quite damaging to the overall performance.
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Sabrun Nestor
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:51:00 -
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There's a few things you always have to consider with the market (as with all things really): bandwidth, memory and processor time.
The market has in the past proved very capable of eating these at a prodigious rate. I fear that simply attempting to pump out all the orders would be impractical, and possibly quite damaging to the overall performance.
Granted.
However, the solution is quite simple. The system already runs a query to find the information that is displays in it's current state. All we need is the ability to alter the parameters of that query. Search by seller, price range (which would cure the 1 isk problem), jumps, etc., etc. No rocket science involved. Not even much dev time. I am no SQL guru but I do know a bit and even I could whip up an interface that generated the appropriate query string based on what the user defines... Simple.
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Sabrun Nestor
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Posted - 2003.11.03 17:24:00 -
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I take it this makes to much sense to be considered?
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