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Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:33:00 - [1] Tonight, in the G-7WUF system, a combined fleet came to the assistance of IAC. Among this supporting fleet were both CVA and S******dly. During my days in ISS, I came to know Snigg as the worst sort of pirates. Would an official from the key alliance in the R3 anti-piracy movement care to comment? To be sure, I have always held respect for CVA, despite disagree ardently with many of their views. However, if this is what it appears to be, my respect may have been misplaced. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Airen Cracken Gallente Scandinavian Council The Scandinavian Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:42:00 - [2] some say FIX is pirats and you are flying with them?
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Airen ***en some say FIX is pirats and you are flying with them? We never claim any moral high ground. The mercenary life is a largely amoral one. The client wishes us to fly with FIX, we fly with FIX. I don't know anything more than that, nor do I really need to. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/10/2006 05:09:37 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/10/2006 05:07:03 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/10/2006 05:06:20 Tonight a peaceful and largely uneventful ISS anti-piracy patrol stumbled upon the S*****rdly fleet under the command of the infamous pyrate Shamis Ortoz. The ISSN senior officer present called for the pirate chief and his crew's immediate surrender, and the forfeiture of their ships in recompense for cowardly attacks against ISS miners and haulers in recent days. Despite a generous offer to allow the pirate captains to leave unmolested in their escape pods, the pyrate chief rebuffed us with the cry "Prepared to be boarded". In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. The hunt was interupted by a call from IAC management requesting safe passage for the surviving pirates. When IAC advised that these cutthroats were in IAC's employ, and thus party to the territorial war in JZV, the ISSN officer in charge agreed to withdraw for consultations with ISS senior management. We believe these same pirate survivors moved on to G-7WUF where they were later spotted working closely with CVA and IAC.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Mynas Atoch In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. We went to a safe to wait for our corpmates to refit using the loot scooped from the gate after you ran. I'M IN YOUR SYSTEMS. I'M KILLING YOUR MANS!!!
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/10/2006 05:07:03 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/10/2006 05:06:20 Tonight a peaceful and largely uneventful ISS anti-piracy patrol stumbled upon the S*****rdly fleet under the command of the infamous pyrate Shamis Ortoz. The ISSN senior officer present called for the pirate chief and his crew's immediate surrender, and the forfeiture of their ships in recompense for cowardly attacks against ISS miners and haulers in recent days. Despite a generous offer to allow the pirate captains to leave unmolested in their escape pods, the pyrate chief rebuffed us with the cry "Prepared to be boarded". In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. The hunt was interupted by a call from IAC management requesting safe passage for the surviving pirates. When IAC advised that these cutthroats were in IAC's employ, and thus party to the territorial war in JZV, the ISSN officer in charge agreed to withdraw for consultations with ISS senior management. We believe these same survivors moved on to G-7WUF where they were later spotted working closely with CVA and IAC. Oh really thats why we collected the loot on the gate, and any non believers of the Snigg look at our kill board there is about 2 and 1/2 pages full of ISS. We would appreciate it if ISS would get the facts straight.
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:18:00 - [7] Ahh, Mynas. I am glad to find you well. I understand the ISS necessity for neutrality in this situation. I recall many times in my tenure in ISS having to hold fire against people I knew full well better served the galaxy in a cloning bay than in space. Congratulations on your kills against the pirate threat. It is unfortunate that IAC has had to resort to this level, and even more shameful that an upstanding like CVA would lover themselves to consorting with pirates. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries of space or faith, it would seem. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Hubris Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:30:00 - [8] You forgot to mention that your cov ops were the only ones that came back into the system you fled from. The system were we jumped into your camp. Nice story tho, but you might want to report fact instead of fiction.
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:35:00 - [9] Yarbles.
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Hubris You forgot to mention that your cov ops were the only ones that came back into the system you fled from. The system were we jumped into your camp. Nice story tho, but you might want to report fact instead of fiction. Sir, our fleet did not flee the system, as your poor pilot trapped in the next system with us should have reported were he not cowering in his naked pod. We had dropped back to the next system on your route and were sitting off the gate waiting for either you jump into us, our reinforcements to arrive behind you, or more unlikely, our scouts to localize your survivors. The pursuit and annhiliation of your disorganized rabble was close at hand, were it not for the timely intervention of your employers. Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN

Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:43:00 - [11] I can't wait to munch on the ISS lemming spawn this week.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Hubris You forgot to mention that your cov ops were the only ones that came back into the system you fled from. The system were we jumped into your camp. Nice story tho, but you might want to report fact instead of fiction. Sir, our fleet did not flee the system, as your poor pilot trapped in the next system with us should have reported were he not cowering in his naked pod. We had dropped back to the next system on your route and were sitting off the gate waiting for either you jump into us, our reinforcements to arrive behind you, or more unlikely, our scouts to localize your survivors. The pursuit and annhiliation of your disorganized rabble was close at hand, were it not for the timely intervention of your employers. Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN The collecter of zee l0ot is zee winner
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 06:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't wait to munch on the ISS lemming spawn this week. Indeed. Hence my strong reservations about letting the remnants of your pirate fleet escape, despite the entreaties of our friends and neighbours. I fear that listening to IACs plea for us not to get involved in fighting you further on THIS occasion is a decision I am going to regret, and soon. I sincerely hope for their sake that they are getting value for money. Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN
Aralis Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 06:49:00 - [14] We are here to help our allies. And they have hired mercenaries. In their space we follow their rules. Why mercenaries should find hiring mercenaries odd I have no idea.
Will Fireblade TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.09 07:12:00 - [15] the piwates, the piwates are coming ....
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 07:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't wait to munch on the ISS lemming spawn this week. Indeed. Hence my strong reservations about letting the remnants of your pirate fleet escape, despite the entreaties of our friends and neighbours. I fear that listening to IACs plea for us not to get involved in fighting you further on THIS occasion is a decision I am going to regret, and soon. I sincerely hope for their sake that they are getting value for money. Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN You know what I think, I think your clueless
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:27:00 - [17] oh stop whining, Mercs are Mercs. CVA knows that. They know that working with S******dly and the priory and whats left of 187, and all them other pirate types (burn eden was held up by rat 0.o ) is all for a greater goal of keeping us alive. btw pirates are good people, honestly.
Will Fireblade TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.09 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: DHB FooFighter btw pirates are good people, honestly. QTF!! also i would like to add pirates are very handsome and i mean very just look at me :P
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:31:00 - [19] Lol, resort to this level? You are merc? We hire other mercs, where is your moral highground coming from? Over and out.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Airen ***en some say FIX is pirats and you are flying with them? iac and cva pwns. period. however.. scandinavian alliance... thats uber!

dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:00:00 - [21] So IAC AND CVA flying with pirates ? Brrrr, that sheds a new light on certain standings ... -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:02:00 - [22] Pots and kettles here eh :) One can only wonder at the timing of the ISS fleets actions mind........ I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:20:00 - [23] Nothing wrong with hiring "pirates" as generally merc corps have to do something when off contract (Other than mining veldspar in Jita). Most of the better mercinaries I know dabble in piracy/innocent slaughterings. The only way they went wrong is by hiring Sniggs and not us.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:55:00 - [24] Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Mynas Atoch In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. We went to a safe to wait for our corpmates to refit using the loot scooped from the gate after you ran. Curious. I am looking at CONCORD documentation which clearly states that they won the engagement by any measure you care to take - ISK destroyed or ships kills. I also hear whispers over GalNet that your fire control was poor, and despite your potential DPS being higher they still destroyed four of your battleships and a command ship, for the loss of three battleships.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't wait to munch on the ISS lemming spawn this week. I suppose 'munching' on their industrialists will be less taxing for your fleet than engaging their combat pilots. By all accounts you don't do quite so well when faced with those who are not equipped for mining.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:17:00 - [26] Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 09/10/2006 12:21:58 Originally by: dralid So IAC AND CVA flying with pirates ? Brrrr, that sheds a new light on certain standings ... and when have standings between our two alliances ever been "in the dark"? shame MC stopped us fom doing what we were supposed to be doing this weekend :\ oh and if your really that chuffed about us flying with pirates then don't check which alliance The Priory now belongs to
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:43:00 - [27] This absolute nonsense about S******dly being mercenaries is the kind of trash that gives mercs in this cluster a bad name. Their piracy is well known (obviously ISS saw them as such). To be honest, as I stated last night to those present, I am flattered that IAC thinks they need half a dozen alliances to take on two, one of whom sports, at best, 200 pilots. Surely Rage and Terror will be mercs next? Perhaps the Pirate Coalition? The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? Aralis, I have great personal respect for you, but your answer is a dodge. Clearly CVA is willing to accept the moral standard of the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate in saying that these pirates are legitimate mercenaries. Aiding an ally is one thing, and is a noble act in itself, however violating one's honor then shrugging it away in an argument that sounds as if you are convincing yourself as much as everyone else is an entirely different matter. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 12:53:00 - [28] your full of it...when merc's don't have contracts what do they do??? pirate I'm betting...besides...in 0.0 what is pirating really. merc's are merc's...you've been hired as such.....so can we. it's a game ppl...pew pew
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Aralis We are here to help our allies. And they have hired mercenaries. In their space we follow their rules. Why mercenaries should find hiring mercenaries odd I have no idea. Welcome to the fight. Bring more ships. Our guns hunger. That is all. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:24:00 - [30] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 09/10/2006 12:21:58 Originally by: dralid So IAC AND CVA flying with pirates ? Brrrr, that sheds a new light on certain standings ... and when have standings between our two alliances ever been "in the dark"? shame MC stopped us fom doing what we were supposed to be doing this weekend :\ oh and if your really that chuffed about us flying with pirates then don't check which alliance The Priory now belongs to Missed ya this weekend! I need another TS EANM, please come ehre and die again! Oh, and having fun yet at G-7? :) -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE

Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:59:00 - [31] IAC hired Snigg to help with the defense of their outpost systems. Do you really think we are stupid enough to fire on those that our allies have hired to help in defending the outpost? Im afraid that is your job not ours. This attempt to drag CVA's name through the mud gets 0 out of 10. Outside of the area of this conflict Snigg and CVA continue to happily shoot each other.
Kiriz Zule Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Mynas Atoch In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. We went to a safe to wait for our corpmates to refit using the loot scooped from the gate after you ran. Curious. I am looking at CONCORD documentation which clearly states that they won the engagement by any measure you care to take - ISK destroyed or ships kills. I also hear whispers over GalNet that your fire control was poor, and despite your potential DPS being higher they still destroyed four of your battleships and a command ship, for the loss of three battleships. Whispers..... Our 'concord documentation' shows 9 kills(3 BS) and 5 losses(1 CS, 3 BS). If you have any concord documents showing that our losses are understated, send it to me in an evemail and I will make sure its posted. Other facts about the engagement... We jumped in on the ISS gate camp, who were all at their optimal. When the shooting was done, controlled the batttlefield. ISS ran to the next system, yes tactically sound, but only because if ISS stayed and duked it out it would have been a slaughter. Last I checked, people don't warp out because they are winning the fight.
Lister Black The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Kiriz Zule Last I checked, people don't warp out because they are winning the fight. Knowing when to retreat so as to minimize your losses, especially after having inflicted a major blow against your enemies, is just as indicative of a battle won as anything else. We were fighting with similar numbers, true, but your side had the upper hand, skill-wise (our CONCORD eve-mails show most of your losses sporting tech 2 gear, whilst most of our pilots were limited to tech 1 equipment). To stay after bringing down your command ship would have been a gamble as to how many extra losses we would have suffered. It's true, perhaps we could have won, nobody can really know, but the fact remains that we came out of that battle having lost significantly less than you, and in the end that's the only real measure of victory in any engagement. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:32:00 - [34] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 09/10/2006 14:33:21 Originally by: Kiriz Zule Our 'concord documentation' shows 9 kills(3 BS) and 5 losses(1 CS, 3 BS). We lost 4 bs's and 1 claymore. That's how it goes when you jump into an enemy fleet outnumbered. They did a good job getting rid of me too...shame I was fitted for the iac lagfest or I'd have tanked their pesky fleet. Hopefully we bring enough ammo next time we visit your space. Last time we actually ran out from all the kills. And 80% of those were people who were actually pursuing us not these miners you speak of. Shamis
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Kiriz Zule Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Mynas Atoch In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. We went to a safe to wait for our corpmates to refit using the loot scooped from the gate after you ran. Curious. I am looking at CONCORD documentation which clearly states that they won the engagement by any measure you care to take - ISK destroyed or ships kills. I also hear whispers over GalNet that your fire control was poor, and despite your potential DPS being higher they still destroyed four of your battleships and a command ship, for the loss of three battleships. Whispers..... Our 'concord documentation' shows 9 kills(3 BS) and 5 losses(1 CS, 3 BS). If you have any concord documents showing that our losses are understated, send it to me in an evemail and I will make sure its posted. Other facts about the engagement... We jumped in on the ISS gate camp, who were all at their optimal. When the shooting was done, controlled the batttlefield. ISS ran to the next system, yes tactically sound, but only because if ISS stayed and duked it out it would have been a slaughter. Last I checked, people don't warp out because they are winning the fight. please don't do this kb thing .. one of your guys didn't post a loss before leaving .. checking our kb one of ours didn't either .. big deal. You had greater weight of fire in your fleet than we had in ours (fleet BS v roving mixed gang; T2 v T1 fittings). We were warping out when spiked, because we could. When enough had, we all did to the rally point, thence to warp in on you again. We were too slow reorganizing, so dropped back to our next firing position, the gate in the next system, where we prepared to do the same again, only with a lot less EWAR on both sides. Meanwhile we hunted you in the origianl engagement system and would have continued hit and runs all night if we could. Unfortunately, I was attacked in my Achilles Heel .. my Rules of Engagement ... not a problem you will experience often ... and reluctantly required to grant you safe passage ... not a problem you will experience again! Myn
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:41:00 - [36] ok...this is turning into a flamefest....I hope this thread get's locked...I'm an opportunist....like ISS...but right now we need help so Snigg is involved..no hard feelings towards IAC for the grudge you guys have I hope...I hope we're above that.... survival of the fittest....lol.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Crovan The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? The Establishment has always advertised it services for a price. Since we have only accepted one contract since we built the Nyx, it's so far participated in - one contract The Establishment is at your service...
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:53:00 - [38] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 09/10/2006 12:21:58 oh and if your really that chuffed about us flying with pirates then don't check which alliance The Priory now belongs to Huh we are piwates? I always thought we played this game to mine ____________ The Priory Killboard
Rasitiln Minmatar SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:16:00 - [39] Edited by: Rasitiln on 09/10/2006 15:21:22 As of the end of last night our contract is over. It was interesting to not be shooting CVA but I dont expect any kind of standings other than -10 in the future between us. Mr Crovan, I'd suggest you respect CVA a bit more, and run your mouth a bit less. --------
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Rasitiln Edited by: Rasitiln on 09/10/2006 15:21:22 Mr Crovan, I'd suggest you respect CVA a bit more, and run your mouth a bit less. Coming from a pirate who would sell his mother to the highest bidder just to have some means to provide in his own entertainment ... and CVA flies next to them ... sigh ... -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE

Niding Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:00:00 - [41] Its been presented before, but seems to NOT make an impression. Is CVA NOT supposed to assist an ally that is attacked/under siege? Its been mentioned countless of times now, but IAC is CVA allies, and with this comes the obligation to assist if under hostile fire. This cant be hard to understand? If you dont help an friend in need, the friendship is of little value.
Kiriz Zule Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Kiriz Zule Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Mynas Atoch In the ensuing battle, Ortoz's command ship was destroyed, however he was able to succesfully flee in his escape pod. The surviving pirates retreated to safespots in system and despite repeated attempts by ISS covert ops pilots to scan and locate them, were able to stay one step of the ISS scouts. Further calls for the survivors to surrender were also rebuffed. We went to a safe to wait for our corpmates to refit using the loot scooped from the gate after you ran. Curious. I am looking at CONCORD documentation which clearly states that they won the engagement by any measure you care to take - ISK destroyed or ships kills. I also hear whispers over GalNet that your fire control was poor, and despite your potential DPS being higher they still destroyed four of your battleships and a command ship, for the loss of three battleships. Whispers..... Our 'concord documentation' shows 9 kills(3 BS) and 5 losses(1 CS, 3 BS). If you have any concord documents showing that our losses are understated, send it to me in an evemail and I will make sure its posted. Other facts about the engagement... We jumped in on the ISS gate camp, who were all at their optimal. When the shooting was done, controlled the batttlefield. ISS ran to the next system, yes tactically sound, but only because if ISS stayed and duked it out it would have been a slaughter. Last I checked, people don't warp out because they are winning the fight. please don't do this kb thing .. one of your guys didn't post a loss before leaving .. checking our kb one of ours didn't either .. big deal. You had greater weight of fire in your fleet than we had in ours (fleet BS v roving mixed gang; T2 v T1 fittings). We were warping out when spiked, because we could. When enough had, we all did to the rally point, thence to warp in on you again. We were too slow reorganizing, so dropped back to our next firing position, the gate in the next system, where we prepared to do the same again, only with a lot less EWAR on both sides. Meanwhile we hunted you in the origianl engagement system and would have continued hit and runs all night if we could. Unfortunately, I was attacked in my Achilles Heel .. my Rules of Engagement ... not a problem you will experience often ... and reluctantly required to grant you safe passage ... not a problem you will experience again! Myn Yes, it is unfortunate that the KB has been brought up, as both sides appear to have had incorrect totals, perhaps ask your former associate Butter Dog to stop posting on your behalf and this thread might not have gone down this path...
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Crovan Aralis, I have great personal respect for you, but your answer is a dodge. And your accusation is a smoke-screen. Resorting to smear tactics so soon in a conflict? One wonders about the current state of morale in MC... Toughen up, merc. Get behind Seleene and your comrades and do what you're paid to do.
Halca Candy Hearts	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:59:00 - [44] If anything this whole affair is an indictment in favour of CVA. They are strong enough in their friendships that they will suspend actions against known enemies in order to assist. It's called loyalty, something a mercenary company knows little about. -Halca out ^.^
Mitchman Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Aralis We are here to help our allies. And they have hired mercenaries. In their space we follow their rules. Why mercenaries should find hiring mercenaries odd I have no idea. TouchF.
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Crovan The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? We are Mercs and the Nyx has participated in at least 2 contracts I belive.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:07:00 - [47] I prefer the term "Businessmen" myself The Establishment is at your service...
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Crovan The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? We are Mercs and the Nyx has participated in at least 2 contracts I belive. Apologies. It would seem that my ability to convey tongue-in-cheek has been a bit impaired by the heavy fighting this weekend. I am aware of The Establishments contracts, however, your token phrase also belies a different nature ;). Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Crovan This absolute nonsense about S******dly being mercenaries is the kind of trash that gives mercs in this cluster a bad name. Their piracy is well known (obviously ISS saw them as such). To be honest, as I stated last night to those present, I am flattered that IAC thinks they need half a dozen alliances to take on two, one of whom sports, at best, 200 pilots. Surely Rage and Terror will be mercs next? Perhaps the Pirate Coalition? The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? Aralis, I have great personal respect for you, but your answer is a dodge. Clearly CVA is willing to accept the moral standard of the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate in saying that these pirates are legitimate mercenaries. Aiding an ally is one thing, and is a noble act in itself, however violating one's honor then shrugging it away in an argument that sounds as if you are convincing yourself as much as everyone else is an entirely different matter. Lol your definition of merc is all wrong, Merc is anyone who does a millitary operation for money we got paid hence we are mercs, and I can rember the day when contraband were ebil pirates.
shadyfox99 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:31:00 - [50] Those of you who think SNIGG is not a merc corp are wrong. We have taken many merc contracts in the past. I remember contracts agaist G, PA, and working for CA at one point. I DO believe that a certain corp in the mercenary coalition used to pirate A LOT as well. Oh thats right, it happened to be SHARKS. Infact they even pirated during their down time while still in MC. Mr.Crovan, I suggest you look into YOUR corp's history before coming onto GALnet and bashing other corps. I can also assure you that CVA and SNIGG have a very wonderful past (and future im sure) of shooting each other. Oh, I almost forgot the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate. It was a good fight, lets leave it at that. Originally by: HostageTaker Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!

Mitchman Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:25:00 - [51] I think someone in this thread needs to get off their high horse and realize that not all mercs suck on a roid between contracts. Actually, I think Seleene needs to shut them up as they are only making MC look bad.
krissi79 FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.09 22:41:00 - [52] As a long time flyer around the curse and catch , seeing a iss fleet of pvpers is like finding a officer spawn , so congrats snigg....... as for the timing , thats another matter
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:10:00 - [53] Edited by: Crovan on 10/10/2006 04:14:03 This is all rather amusing really. I think the best part is Snigg getting so very defensive when the initial question was to CVA. Frankly, I don't care whether Snigg are pirates or mercs or otherwise, from a personal standpoint. What got to me is that CVA would fly with a corp infamous for piracy. I have actually gotten some decent explanations from the more level-headed CVA pilots, and for that I am appreciative. As for the merc/pirate debate, I heard from some ISS pilots today that Snigg swore revenge for ISS doing what they saw as defending their trade lanes, and demanding 200 million ISK to avoid having 10 BSes killed. Sounds an awful lot like ransom to me. So you are simultaneously pirates and mercs? Just asking really. Like I said, I couldn't really care less. Red is red, no matter what their justification for being there. Again, I am glad to hear that CVA apparently do have their heads screwed on reasonably straight on this. I thank those who took the time to respond thoughtfully and not shoot off at the mouth, or make claims as to what my simple questions do to the reputation of the Coalition. I have a great deal of respect for those who hold to their ideas, even if I might personally starkly disagree. Addendum: shadyfox99 - Having spoken to people who have been in the Sharks for a very long time, I have gleaned that FRICK has not engaged in piracy since before it's forming of the MC alongside BDCI. If you could provide some proof of your claim on a private channel, I would be more than interested to see it. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
shanda captison ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:20:00 - [54] Edited by: shanda captison on 10/10/2006 04:21:40 Think it would be an idea to take it down from a high political level and down to the actual pew pew, the offical kill figures and what happened in the battle in question this is all to the best of MY knowledge. ISS Kills: 1 Mega 1 Temp 2 Scorp 1 Claymore 1 Rifter ISS Losses 2 Scorp 1 Domi 2 Thorax 1 Cyclone We setup on the gate, snigg jumped in on us. Yes they did hold the field. We felt it was the right decision to withdraw as if we d stayed, they would have tipped the balance in their favour. After we regrouped it was a mistake that we didnt turn around and warp back straight away. We then setup on the system next door awaiting sniggs arrival. They didnt come in for whatever reason. We tried to find their safe spotted fleet by sending back in the cov ops (wasnt prepared to commit the fleet from our superior position on the gate) with no success. Ordered by XO to withdraw. However all the pre flaming aside it was a very good fight indeed and much fun was had by all .
Karlemgne Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.10 06:20:00 - [55] Interesting that a self avowed anti-pirate alliance now flys with snig.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.10 06:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Crovan Edited by: Crovan on 10/10/2006 04:14:54 Edited by: Crovan on 10/10/2006 04:14:03 This is all rather amusing really. I think the best part is Snigg getting so very defensive when the initial question was to CVA. Frankly, I don't care whether Snigg are pirates or mercs or otherwise, from a personal standpoint. What got to me is that CVA would fly with a corp infamous for piracy. I have actually gotten some decent explanations from the more level-headed CVA pilots, and for that I am appreciative. As for the merc/pirate debate, I heard from some ISS pilots today that Snigg swore revenge for ISS doing what they saw as defending their trade lanes, and demanding 200 million ISK to avoid having 10 BSes killed. Sounds an awful lot like ransom to me. So you are simultaneously pirates and mercs? Just asking really. Like I said, I couldn't really care less. Red is red, no matter what their justification for being there. Again, I am glad to hear that CVA apparently do have their heads screwed on reasonably straight on this. I thank those who took the time to respond thoughtfully and not shoot off at the mouth, or make claims as to what my simple questions do to the reputation of the Coalition. I have a great deal of respect for those who hold to their ideas, even if I might personally starkly disagree. Addendum: shadyfox99 - Having spoken to people who have been in the Sharks for a very long time, I have gleaned that FRICK has not engaged in piracy since before the forming of the MC alongside BDCI. If you could provide some proof of your claim on a private channel, I would be more than interested to see it. Actually that was a joke we do it any ways just because we can
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Karlemgne Interesting that a self avowed anti-pirate alliance now flys with snig. interesting that people still comment on threads without reading up on the content first I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:15:00 - [58] Something that should be considered is why CVA is anti-pirate. As far as the defence of Amarr is concerned, FIX are just as much pirates as SNIGG. The reasons that they shoot neutrals are irrelevant, the fact that they shoot neutrals destabilizes a region just as much as if they were doing it for income. Therefor FIX, and even MC when it is operating under NBSI, are just as great a threat to stability as SNIGG could ever be. CVA did the only thing it could do, came to the aid of an ally which stands as a bastion of civilization in 0.0 against the pointless carnage that the barbarians of 0.0 revel in. And as the CVA have said, if SNIGG show their faces in CVA patrolled space in the future, they will still be shot as destabalizing influences on the Amarrian empire and its expansion into 0.0 under the CVA. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:41:00 - [59] Edited by: Crovan on 10/10/2006 12:41:29 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Something that should be considered is why CVA is anti-pirate. As far as the defence of Amarr is concerned, FIX are just as much pirates as SNIGG. The reasons that they shoot neutrals are irrelevant, the fact that they shoot neutrals destabilizes a region just as much as if they were doing it for income. Therefor FIX, and even MC when it is operating under NBSI, are just as great a threat to stability as SNIGG could ever be. CVA did the only thing it could do, came to the aid of an ally which stands as a bastion of civilization in 0.0 against the pointless carnage that the barbarians of 0.0 revel in. And as the CVA have said, if SNIGG show their faces in CVA patrolled space in the future, they will still be shot as destabalizing influences on the Amarrian empire and its expansion into 0.0 under the CVA. This does help me understand, and you have my thanks for such a thoughtful reply that seeks to actually clear up the issue. After hearing some sound reasoning for tolerating the group that has been made their temporary wingmates, I have to say that I was mistaken in my initial assumption that CVA may have done something worthy of the loss of my respect. All I really needed were some well-reasoned answers, and instead I was personally insulted. I suppose I should forgive that, however, given that it has been a long few days for all of us involved in this conflict. This is the second time I have been involved in a conflict with CVA, and I have to say it makes me smile a little every time I hear that they are coming. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
SkottE SkottE Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Something that should be considered is why CVA is anti-pirate. As far as the defence of Amarr is concerned, FIX are just as much pirates as SNIGG. The reasons that they shoot neutrals are irrelevant, the fact that they shoot neutrals destabilizes a region just as much as if they were doing it for income. Therefor FIX, and even MC when it is operating under NBSI, are just as great a threat to stability as SNIGG could ever be. CVA did the only thing it could do, came to the aid of an ally which stands as a bastion of civilization in 0.0 against the pointless carnage that the barbarians of 0.0 revel in. And as the CVA have said, if SNIGG show their faces in CVA patrolled space in the future, they will still be shot as destabalizing influences on the Amarrian empire and its expansion into 0.0 under the CVA. I belive this has answered the entire topic... _________________________________________ Want to build Tech2 equipment and ships? Take a look here to find out!

SkottE SkottE Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Crovan Alot of stuff... So you are simultaneously pirates and mercs? alot of stuff... About the that line specificly, I know several half merc/pirate corps. Works liek this. When they don't have a contract they shoot whatever they want, yes, it's that simple to understand! Please, seems like a lot of people don't like what your saying _________________________________________ Want to build Tech2 equipment and ships? Take a look here to find out!
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Crovan Addendum: shadyfox99 - Having spoken to people who have been in the Sharks for a very long time, I have gleaned that FRICK has not engaged in piracy since before the forming of the MC alongside BDCI. If you could provide some proof of your claim on a private channel, I would be more than interested to see it. Not quite correct Crov... We stopped pirating around 18 months ago, a little while after TC and NSN joined the MC. For the whole time that the MC was just FRICK and BDCI, FRICK were pirating heavily on the side. We only stopped because it was bad for business. Many of us still have yarr in our hearts! Personally, I'm rather fond of the Sniggles. They are some of the nicest pirates you could meet. Flying along side them can only be good for those stuffy Amarrian bores! ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.10 14:04:00 - [63] Wow....MC telling MC.... We have a thread on the war....no idea why Crovan made this one....Seleene's thread is great!! Crovan...have some missles at you last night...lol. The battles are to deep into it to care who comes in now....it's a skirmish warfare....much respect to all who have helped IAC. Look forward to returning the favors....
shadyfox Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Julien Derida Originally by: Crovan Addendum: shadyfox99 - Having spoken to people who have been in the Sharks for a very long time, I have gleaned that FRICK has not engaged in piracy since before the forming of the MC alongside BDCI. If you could provide some proof of your claim on a private channel, I would be more than interested to see it. Not quite correct Crov... We stopped pirating around 18 months ago, a little while after TC and NSN joined the MC. For the whole time that the MC was just FRICK and BDCI, FRICK were pirating heavily on the side. We only stopped because it was bad for business. Many of us still have yarr in our hearts! Personally, I'm rather fond of the Sniggles. They are some of the nicest pirates you could meet. Flying along side them can only be good for those stuffy Amarrian bores! Yarr!
shadyfox99 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:23:00 - [65] dam my evil twin escaped again! Originally by: HostageTaker Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!
Verone	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:10:00 - [66] Quite a few people have recently questioned the faith of the CVA and their paramilitary allies... First they assist in the defense of a Matari Loyalist controlled outpost in Providence, claiming they are simply "pirate hunting", and now allying themselves with the very type of people they were defending against? Strange... BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:36:00 - [67] Edited by: Hardin on 12/10/2006 18:37:58 Be silent pirate dog The CVA has been perfectly clear about its actions in both the recent '9UY' and 'IAC' controversies. Indeed the vast majority of capsuleers have accepted the CLEAR LOGIC for our involvement (or lack of it) in both situations. The only people who seem to be lacking in understanding are those who have grudges to bare. The CVA remains fully committed to its twin goals: - extending the Amarrian Empire and Amarrian law and order to low security space and 0.0 (anti-piracy) - combating Minmatar terrorists and thwarting their devious plans (anti-terrorist) I accept that sometimes we may go off on what may seem like tangents to 'outsiders' but I can assure you that all our actions are driven with a bigger picture in mind and our guiding goals as the ultimate objective. Do not question us for we are guided by God. Amarr Victor ------------------------------
Nihilion Saro Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:47:00 - [68] Edited by: Nihilion Saro on 12/10/2006 18:47:43 What is the difference between a mercenary and a pirate? A pirate kills for money, as does a pirate. The difference to me appears to be that pirates don't make up some story about how noble an honorable they are and cram it down everyone's throats. In that sense, they're at least more honest than you in that there is never any pretense about who we're dealing with. Unlike you who fly your dread fleet into our system under blue standings and surprise attack. IAC hired who we hired because that was what we could do at the time to survive, and we make no apologies.
Verone	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Hardin Do not question us for we are guided by God. Your god has obviously taken a wrong turn then, or has lost his map. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:48:00 - [70] Who are you to question God? ------------------------------

Verone	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Hardin Who are you to question God? Who are you to question my curiosity, old man? BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Osiris Occido The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:21:00 - [72] woot - a CVA pirating thread. I'm all over it Y'all play nice now TSBS Video Vault [35] \| Perfect Quality with WMM
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:54:00 - [73] While I've seen the responses from CVA concerning consorting with pirates I thought about it a little more...... You say IAC are using pirates for their own gains , in essence IAC are friendly to pirates , if a corp in CVA space were as friendly with the local pirates what what happen to that corp ? Just because it's different space theres no difference in the situation . IAC should choose better allies if they think that they have to bow as low as to hire pirates to do their dirty work , basically they are saying their allies aren't good enough.
Acron Ishtal Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:56:00 - [74] Originally by: Snodgey2004 While I've seen the responses from CVA concerning consorting with pirates I thought about it a little more...... You say IAC are using pirates for their own gains , in essence IAC are friendly to pirates , if a corp in CVA space were as friendly with the local pirates what what happen to that corp ? Just because it's different space theres no difference in the situation . IAC should choose better allies if they think that they have to bow as low as to hire pirates to do their dirty work , basically they are saying their allies aren't good enough. It is really a very simple situation really. You are trying to make something out of nothing. 1. IAC are our friends/allies. 2. IAC requested our help. 3. We honored our agreement and came to help. 4. IAC space is not CVA space. We follow their rules in their space. 5. IAC hired mercs (or pirates if you like, the distinction is not the debate we're having, and it matters little anyway) 6. We may not like their mercs, and they may not like us, but for the purposes of fighting in their space and respecting our agreements, we follow IAC's rules. Now, to answer your question directly, a corp "friendly" to pirates means nothing to us. Either you pirate, or you don't. If you pirate, or help other pirates pirate, we blow you up. If you just have a NAP with some pirates or whatever, then that's not our concern. In CVA space even pirates allied with IAC are still KOS. It's simply a matter of jurisdiction. Our space, our rules. IAC's space, IAC's rules. That clear it up for you? An authorized transmission of the honorable Deacon Acron Ishtal
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Acron Ishtal Originally by: Snodgey2004 While I've seen the responses from CVA concerning consorting with pirates I thought about it a little more...... You say IAC are using pirates for their own gains , in essence IAC are friendly to pirates , if a corp in CVA space were as friendly with the local pirates what what happen to that corp ? Just because it's different space theres no difference in the situation . IAC should choose better allies if they think that they have to bow as low as to hire pirates to do their dirty work , basically they are saying their allies aren't good enough. It is really a very simple situation really. You are trying to make something out of nothing. 1. IAC are our friends/allies. 2. IAC requested our help. 3. We honored our agreement and came to help. 4. IAC space is not CVA space. We follow their rules in their space. 5. IAC hired mercs (or pirates if you like, the distinction is not the debate we're having, and it matters little anyway) 6. We may not like their mercs, and they may not like us, but for the purposes of fighting in their space and respecting our agreements, we follow IAC's rules. Now, to answer your question directly, a corp "friendly" to pirates means nothing to us. Either you pirate, or you don't. If you pirate, or help other pirates pirate, we blow you up. If you just have a NAP with some pirates or whatever, then that's not our concern. In CVA space even pirates allied with IAC are still KOS. It's simply a matter of jurisdiction. Our space, our rules. IAC's space, IAC's rules. That clear it up for you? Sort of , but no words that come from CVA can convince me they are not pirates anyway yaAAr ?
Acron Ishtal Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:07:00 - [76] Edited by: Acron Ishtal on 13/10/2006 20:06:59 Coming from you that is not very surprising. Minmatars are generally not blessed with an overabundance of schooling. Turn yourself in, and I'll see to it that your recieve a proper education personally. An authorized transmission of the honorable Deacon Acron Ishtal
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:23:00 - [77] I can't help but think back to when U'K was accused by the Amarrian loyalists of flying with TSBS and the huge ensuing hullabaloo about how U'K was abandoning their anti-pirate principles, even though it was proven to be the case that they were not flying alongside them. Funny how the galaxy turns where we now find CVA flying with S******dly. Regardless, I wish paperwork wasn't tying me down in-station - I'd love to join my capitalist comrades in shooting the evil slavers for old time's sake. It sounds like a rollicking good scrap is going on up there.
Vladimir Yuchenko Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:33:00 - [78] Crovan now you are starting threads? Man soon you are gonna have to join BoB with this much forum whorage! And I saw Snodgey was on here as well, so I had to comment. lol Who made dookie in the urinal?
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.15 01:47:00 - [79] Edited by: Swor on 15/10/2006 01:50:24 Originally by: Crovan During my days in ISS, I came to know Snigg as the worst sort of pirates. actually we're quite good pirates and when were being paid, as in the IAC case, we prefer the term "Privateers" all you stuck up amarrian, hoity - toity's, can go sit on your khumaak and rotate...
xh'duality Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe	Posted - 2006.10.21 23:25:00 - [80] It's very funny how ppl are trying to make other look bad. Just cause IAC has friend's who are willing to help out dosent mean theyre all that bad.But ppl who are trying to make other's look bad are just kid's who dont know when to stop and need a good spanking. The only thing I can say is YARRRR! ima kill ya all Freedoom fo IAC's Alcohol --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"]

Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.22 07:23:00 - [81] Originally by: Crovan Surely Rage and Terror will be mercs next? Perhaps the Pirate Coalition? The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? You're so full of it, every entity you mentioned would make fine mercs, and you haven't even seen half of what I've seen The Establishment pull off with that Nyx. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Crovan Surely Rage and Terror will be mercs next? Perhaps the Pirate Coalition? The Establishment? How many merc contracts should we expect to see the Nyx participate in? You're so full of it, every entity you mentioned would make fine mercs, and you haven't even seen half of what I've seen The Establishment pull off with that Nyx. Actually I remember the establishment announced they were going into the Merc business about 6 months ago. They made a post on this very forum to that effect. So, yes, I guess they are for hire (potentially).
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:17:00 - [83] Edited by: Ange1 on 22/10/2006 13:23:26 Originally by: Butter Dog Actually I remember the establishment announced they were going into the Merc business about 6 months ago. They made a post on this very forum to that effect. So, yes, I guess they are for hire (potentially). The only public post I recall ever making that made this assertion was when we announced we had built a Mothership. I ended the statement by saying we were availiable for hire. And it was in the main corp/alliance forum not this one =P The Establishment has always been availiable for hire since its creation, we simply don't do much in the way of advertising and let our actions speak for us. It has proven successful so far. The Establishment is at your service...


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