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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.11 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
But on a midsized school where I work as an admin, we use IE. Reason? Because most of 3rd party web programs we are using here in Finland, needs IE and IIS and ASP and whatnot!!
I suggest you try breaking free from Microsoft while you can. What you are experiencing is just another example of their tactics to integrate things into eachother to the degree that you soon no longer have any options than to go 100% Microsoft or build everything yourself from scratch.
Soon they are going to put services on the web and rent them to people, and I wouldnt be surprised if some functions in Office and Windows require a monthly subscription to use them. And if you dont pay, you will have a hard time finding a replacement for the features you lose. Thats their whole strategy.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.11 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Sevarus James Ahh, my pleasure Kuo! Its always good to see when people instantly take my advice! -lmao.
Seriously man, in my post, the 'dis' as you so eloquently put it, isn't a religious thing. Its a fact. IE6 (which is what most people are using) is a security manager's nightmare, and a malware writer's godsend. Its not a matter of "I wuv da FOX", or "I hate Bill Gates", its a matter of safe browsing and letting in what you WANT and not some silent stealth viral or malware bomb just because you're not 45 seconds up to date on your "blockers".
If you want to use it, heck, more power to you. I'm a firm believer in choice. Just don't assume that because you use it, its the best option out there. It may be FOR you, but for most people, IE can lead to a host of problems such as the topic of this thread.
Well tbh, you got me to think if I should install Firefox or not. When IE7 is out and FireFox 2.0, I will re-evalute my needs and their features.
But on a midsized school where I work as an admin, we use IE. Reason? Because most of 3rd party web programs we are using here in Finland, needs IE and IIS and ASP and whatnot!!
Having been in the tech industry a loong time, I really feel your pain here. Being stuck in a position to use what is handed to you as opposed to the tool that is 'better and safer' can be a royal pain in rear end. I always go this route: Use the tools that work provides during WORK hours, and when I get home, go back to what is the better solution. As you might deduce from the link below my signature...what is safe/secure/ and works better definitely doesn't come from redmond washington. ----- ------------
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Daald
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.11 16:57:00 -
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what is safe/secure/ and works better definitely doesn't come from redmond washington.
I agree but your scope is too narrow. I would say that most of the programs out there are not safe/secure. Every application that has been written can be *****ed. There just has to be enough cofee and desire to sit through tons of assembly code. You will notice that as Firefox gets more and more popular, more and more people will start attacking it.
There is no such thing as the fastest/best/safe/will brush my teeth when I wake up programs out there. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:23:00 -
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http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0610/damnit.PNG
is this related to the trojan cause when i try and start up eve it tells me that. and what is chkdisk utility?
and my eve wont start up
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:34:00 -
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clear your cache (bar your settings folder and prefs.ini) as normal and try again.
It isnt a trojan, just a file corruption by looks of it.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:40:00 -
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cannot delete file 2710_32: the file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.
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C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache\Pictures\Gids
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Adoro
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:43:00 -
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chkdisk is a windows dos program. reboot your computer with winxp in cd drive. then boot from from cd and run the recovery console.
type chkdisk to perform chkdisk.
can also yse fixmbr --------
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:43:00 -
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try:
Step One: Open "My Computer", RIGHT click on the C drive icon, choose "Properties".
Step Two: When that loads, click on the "Tools" tab, then click on the "Check Now" button in the "Error Checking" section.
Step Three: When that little window loads, place a CHECK in BOTH boxes, then click on "Start Now".
Step Four: A message will pop up saying that Error Checking will run after you restart the computer, so......Restart the computer. Error Checking will run automatically after the restart and it locks you out from doing anything until it's finished. It takes a little time to perform the task but after it's finished, it will restart into Windows automatically.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.11 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
Quote:
what is safe/secure/ and works better definitely doesn't come from redmond washington.
I agree but your scope is too narrow. I would say that most of the programs out there are not safe/secure. Every application that has been written can be *****ed. There just has to be enough cofee and desire to sit through tons of assembly code. You will notice that as Firefox gets more and more popular, more and more people will start attacking it.
There is no such thing as the fastest/best/safe/will brush my teeth when I wake up programs out there.
My 'scope' has to do with the subject matter of this thread. In that context, it's IE that is the most vulnerable to attack. Also in context, my statement was referring to what I use as I was pointing to the link below my signature.
You are correct that firefox is not immune from attack, nor are ANY operating system. The scope of the vulnerability and the EASE of attack under the MS platform are what is causing the major issues here. You don't see one MAC or Linux user in this thread with issues...and we ARE playing EVE and reading the forums here. The major reason behind this isn't that we are 100% secure, it is that the platform we are using is infinitely more secure than windows is, due to the very nature of the administrative rights vs. user rights that are built in from the ground up.
A viral attack on either of these systems, while rare, can do damage ONLY to the user space, and even then ONLY after the user has repeatedly given the offending program permission to do so. The OS and its secured /root system is relatively untouchable. (the only exception would be a complete moron giving the offensive application root authority...and they would deserve whatever they got at that point, tbh.)
To top that off, spreading a virus under these platforms is infinitely more tricky for the viral writer as EACH system has to have permissions enabled by each user, thus slowing to a grinding halt the spread of the offensive code.
The myth that as linux/mac get more widespread they will be attacked with as much success as MS windows does is perpetuated by people who do not know the underlying methodology and architecture of the platforms...or they are spreading FUD to purposely denigrate the non-MS world.
A true NETWORK operating system has security and separation of user space from the applications/kernel designed in to prevent the very things that are occuring on the windows side of the OS fence.
Vista promises much more security as well as IE7 enhancements. However, as I've been in the tech field for twenty years, I'll believe that when I see it. When it was released, XP was touted as the most secure OS on the planet, and you can see how well that stood up. ----- ------------
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.10.12 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I suggest you try breaking free from Microsoft while you can. What you are experiencing is just another example of their tactics to integrate things into eachother to the degree that you soon no longer have any options than to go 100% Microsoft or build everything yourself from scratch.
Soon they are going to put services on the web and rent them to people, and I wouldnt be surprised if some functions in Office and Windows require a monthly subscription to use them. And if you dont pay, you will have a hard time finding a replacement for the features you lose. Thats their whole strategy.
Uh-oh, thats not possible. Year ago I started project where we will assimilate bigger school with Novell system to ours. Now they will enjoy benefits of AD .
And we are already paying to microsoft "per month". Our lisences costs more per year than you can make in 4 years . But you people with "different" point of view just don't understand that it's not so easy to change or drop something. So many things are build around Microsoft products in school world nowadays .. at least here.
Anyway, I won't talk about this subject anymore. It's just like you guys said .. we work with tools that boss'es gives to us and tells us to use. We live with that and ..
PS. Why you think that EVE is build on MSSQL and their server software around Windows enviroment?
Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.12 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 12/10/2006 07:53:31 PS. Why you think that EVE is build on MSSQL and their server software around Windows enviroment?
My guess, and its only a guess: Its what the devs knew. What strikes me odd is the fact that they are python programmers at heart, and that's more open source than MS.
The client is simple economics. 80-95%+ of the user base (gamers) use the windows platform.
The server...now that has been a mystery to me since day one. Of course now, they are firefighting memory issues, throwing tons of hardware at the problem...and THAT is typical of an MS environment. I work in a world wide command center for IBM. Our severity 1 and 2 ticket breakdowns over the last six months are an interesting bit in relation to this:
Breakdown of non hardware failure issues: 65% windows (server 2003/XP/Win2k sev1 - memory/cpu problems. (even split across versions.) 20% AIX - cpu problems 10% SUN- cpu issues 5% Linux - cpu issues. (fortune 200 world wide companies).
Personally, even as a linux advocate, I was shocked to see the disparity. In my line of work, I see windows servers as a paycheck, as they continually have problems such as the issues that have been plaguing tranquility.
As to the viral problems we see NO issues in the AIX/SUN/LINUX world, and yet see a continual stream of tickets related to client and mail server problems related to the topic of the thread even with the LATEST and GREATEST AV software available for these platforms. ----- ------------
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Kitta Kopfhurer
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon PS. Why you think that EVE is build on MSSQL and their server software around Windows enviroment?
One reason might be that MSSQL is actually quite a nice piece of software. (That is: The performance is quite good compared to the price)
Also, comparing raw numbers of exploits / support requests is kinda pointless, considering Microsofts marketshare compared to the other competitors. Latest numbers show that IE has 82% of the browser market. If you were writing an exploit, you probably would like to target the huge population IE-using Joe Random who doesnt know of the other choices and likely not too security-conscious rather than the people who have switched over to FF/Opera/etc for whatever reason?
There already have been plenty of FF exploits doing the rounds, and as the marketshare grows, I would imagine so does the number of exploiters targeting it.
Bottom line: Usually the reason this sort of hacks happen is the user. Visiting seedy websites, clicking on suspicious links, not keeping his software up-to-date etc etc. Whatever your choice of software is, there are ways to make it secure. Do whatever it takes if you dont want to end up having your information stolen.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.12 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 12/10/2006 22:54:46
Originally by: Kitta Kopfhurer
Also, comparing raw numbers of exploits / support requests is kinda pointless, considering Microsofts marketshare compared to the other competitors. Latest numbers show that IE has 82% of the browser market. If you were writing an exploit, you probably would like to target the huge population IE-using Joe Random who doesnt know of the other choices and likely not too security-conscious rather than the people who have switched over to FF/Opera/etc for whatever reason?
The comparison I posted is on the server side. That comparison was referring to tickets on the backend (I dont' support clients). The numbers there are far more interesting as linux/aix/SUN are far more numerous than windows, and yet the disparity in issues and problems is still grossly in the microsoft product camp.
Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. ----- ------------
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Daald
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.13 03:55:00 -
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The myth that as linux/mac get more widespread they will be attacked with as much success as MS windows does is perpetuated by people who do not know the underlying methodology and architecture of the platforms...or they are spreading FUD to purposely denigrate the non-MS world.
You really underestimate the veracity of the virus writers. But what do I know anyway. I'm a FUD spreading MS lover that doesn't know the methodology and architecture of the non-MS world. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.13 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
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The myth that as linux/mac get more widespread they will be attacked with as much success as MS windows does is perpetuated by people who do not know the underlying methodology and architecture of the platforms...or they are spreading FUD to purposely denigrate the non-MS world.
You really underestimate the veracity of the virus writers. But what do I know anyway. I'm a FUD spreading MS lover that doesn't know the methodology and architecture of the non-MS world.
Actually I don't underestimate the veracity. The nature of the 'nix' operating system was designed from the ground up with security in mind to PREVENT this sort of thing from occuring.
The numbers of 'actual' viruses on the non-MS platforms is miniscule to non-existent in comparison, and to be honest, with apache and nix' running a goodly percentage of the world's web servers, you'd think these voracious hackers would have done something already.
The fact that this has NOT occurred should say something. The viral and malware writers target what they can do the most damage to, and that is the non secure (comparatively speaking) end user running a browser that has hooks into everything on the operating system in a very administrative manner. ----- ------------
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.13 10:56:00 -
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Opera 4tw, takes a tad getting used to (set the skin to windows native and it feels a bit like IE (good for getting used to) i just love the free configurability with it, you can customise it any which way you like, right down to adding the buttons you want and removing the ones you don't, nothing touches Opera, not even close
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Daald
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:49:00 -
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The fact that this has NOT occurred should say something.
Of course it does. I'm not disputing that. I just disagree with you on what you think it says. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
WrathchildeVOTF
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:06:00 -
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Quote: Of course it does. I'm not disputing that. I just disagree with you on what you think it says.
Daald, what you seem to miss is that on a *nix operating system, an administrator has to give that shell script permission to run before it can do anything at all.
Windows OS just days "duh...yup, yup, yup" when a virus wants to run.
I'm not quite as far up the food chain in my position, but I support the UNIX boxes in a large corporation. Never had a virus on Sun, HP, or SGI, but our MS Exchange servers get crushed relatively often.
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Daald
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:31:00 -
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Daald, what you seem to miss is that on a *nix operating system, an administrator has to give that shell script permission to run before it can do anything at all.
Windows OS just days "duh...yup, yup, yup" when a virus wants to run.
I'm not quite as far up the food chain in my position, but I support the UNIX boxes in a large corporation. Never had a virus on Sun, HP, or SGI, but our MS Exchange servers get crushed relatively often.
I understand that. I really do. I'm not being thick about it. I have administered *nix servers. The exploits always go through paths that the administrator thought were bulletproof and 100% safe.
After all you have to run code on that machine otherwise it is just a paper weight. Windows in its infinite wisdom decided to make scripting easy on its OS opening the door for script kiddies.
If you read that book I quoted they show you how to exploit a C printf function. So any code that actually prints anything and is not designed to look for the overflow is exploitable. That's the point I am making. Any code written in C that prints to the screen and is callable by the user in anyway shape or form is vulnerable. You can believe that it is impossible for a hacker to get there or infinitely harder, but it is not the system that makes it that way. It is the user. The average person using a *nix system is much much more technical than a windows user.
For example. The exploit that triggered this thread uses an adodb object to download the virus on your computer. This virus is then executed. It has as much rights as the user accout it is running in. Most people run as admin so therefore it has complete rights. The second portion tries a buffer overflow attack on another activex object, that I guess the executable uses to gain priviledged rights if it didn't have them already.
So where does the blame lie. 1- Microsoft for not differentiating between COM objects and allowing them to be instantiated that way from a script coming from a foreign website. 2- The user, for clicking a suspicious link, for running as admin and for not having their system patches up to date.
The first portion is only 1 attack vector. The second portion contains many attack vectors that will basically never be fixed because no matter how secure/safe the OS is, the user will find a way to mess it up for conveniance.
As long as there are users out there that don't understand how a hacker operates they will always succeed no matter what OS the user is running on top of hence my point. Don't think that the software you are running on top of will save you from your own ignorance. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
Jaedar Metron
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:50:00 -
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CRAP!
I hadnt read this topic and clicked a link in a spam post, the poster was old and I thought he had clicked the "new topic" button a bit too many times.
Anyways, I clicked the link, but instantly closed the window popping up when I saw the url in the new window. THe page managed to load enuough so I could see a white screen with a blue link in it or something.
I didnt find any autoexec in the windows registry, and I was wondering, did I manage to stop it? And what should I do if I didnt? I'm currently scanning with ewido and avg.
Help is appreciated
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jaedar Metron CRAP!
I hadnt read this topic and clicked a link in a spam post, the poster was old and I thought he had clicked the "new topic" button a bit too many times.
Anyways, I clicked the link, but instantly closed the window popping up when I saw the url in the new window. THe page managed to load enuough so I could see a white screen with a blue link in it or something.
I didnt find any autoexec in the windows registry, and I was wondering, did I manage to stop it? And what should I do if I didnt? I'm currently scanning with ewido and avg.
Help is appreciated
run antivirus - let it removes what it detects, free av are
Try AVG or Avast for anti-virus.
also follow the guidance setout here afterwards.
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Xandria Pearl
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.16 17:08:00 -
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Main account is suspended pending investigation about hacking/fishing.
I did manage to prevent any damage done as I realized what was happening straight away and changed my password. A GM even confirmed that it was a close call as I changed my pwd the very minute the "hacker" was attempting to access my account.... However, about 1-2 hrs after that occurance I was disconnected from the game and they indeed suspended that account... I was online all the time so the hacker couldn't have caused any damage.... (I even doubt he even got access to my account since I was also online with this alt) My questions are: -How long does that investigation usualy take? -Is it possible to change the login name to Eve to prevent brute pwd attacks in the future now that its' known?
PS. ofcourse the system is scanned with anti-malware stuff, including Zonealarm security suite and the Trendmicro online scan
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:10:00 -
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What is the matter with you all ? never click on any links that you do not know for a fact that is safe! eve if your friend says it is!
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Rilder
Caldari black viper corp
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana What is the matter with you all ? never click on any links that you do not know for a fact that is safe! eve if your friend says it is!
Also dont trust the links even a mod throws out, or even the links that are plastard all over the eve website to take you to other parts of the eve website?
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splattercat
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:32:00 -
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I think you have lost your glue.
page 4?
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Beetle Boy
Minmatar Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal Surely now it's time to start curbing the posting rights of trial accounts?
Heck, seems to me that 90% of the uses of trial accounts in general are bad. When 10% of the people logged on at any one time are trial accounts you have to question if they're being used as intended.
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PsyMan
Amarr Navy Runners
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: PsyMan on 20/11/2006 01:59:48 If you know what you are doing you can actually tweak IE 6 to be as safe if not safer than a default firefox installation, the big issue is the fact that by default it is not. Too many posts back but someone said Mac users were playing eve? is this true or is it on VM's, would love to change skills on my imac at work without having to put XP in.
If only you could change skills in a secure browser eh?
Mac client ftw (all be it a small win)
And FF is a lot better anyway
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Kaemonn
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:16:00 -
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Ok no need to necro.
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