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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 28/10/2003 14:55:02 Here I stand, placing the standard of our unit at the feet of our Lady Sarum. We do believe firmly that she is the chosen of the one. We do believe firmly that she will lead our people into a glorious future. There are heirs that will do away with our traditions to replace them with 'modern' Gallente views. Can we allow this to happen? Can we allow that the errors of Zaragram II, an Emperor who's existance is often denied, are repeated? Some may say this is bordering on heresy but so does allowing non-Amarrians to take part in the ritual of succession.
The Lady has our full support whether she 'wins' this farcial championship or not. Whatever she decides to do thereafter we will endeavour to help carry out her will and make sure that she, the chosen of the one, touched by divinity, will rise to claim the throne. There have been visions, granted by the one to fellow Amarrians following the aeons old rituals of meditation and inner cleansing, which showed that his true test of the heirs will be the time after the 'championship'. The Lady will prevail and the reclaiming in the spirit of the scriptures will commence.
All loyal Amarrians are asked to use the Amarr Network (http://www.amarr.net) for communication with minimal interference of the babblings of the lesser races. Those loyal to the lady are also asked to check the newly founded Sarum Network (http://eve.chaosdimension.de), where even more secure nodes are available and the channel 'Sarum' for in-flight communication. Networks like this stand and fall with the prospective users - the Amarr.net has been up for several months now but is barely used, probably due to a lack of advertisment.
As an OOC-addon we'd also like to invite Polaris officials to watch the boards to see what we are up to and, if they are interested, to have a place/contacts for the inter-Amarrian roleplay. The houses offer much potential that is unfortunately not really used right now :/
Edit: *cough* link was misspelled :/
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.28 14:29:00 -
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You surprise me, Tharrn.
Pleasantly, even.
Expect me or one of the seraphim to contact you.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.10.28 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 28/10/2003 14:53:50 Good stuff Tharrn!
By the way your link to amarr net is wrong I am afraid!
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:15:00 -
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If that is your wish then so be it, and I must say that I understand your concerns.... but remember this friend.
Whoever becomes Emperor, whatever their motivations or gender, becomes so through divine right. We must all indeed rally to whoever we believe will be become the one, just and true Emperor, but once our leader has been revealed it is our duty to serve.
Lady Sarum may indeed become Empress, but you must remain loyal to the faith. ------------------------------------------
Attache and Heir to House Tellen PIE Inc "Serve the Emperor Above All Others" |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:39:00 -
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An Emperor disregarding the scriptures and traditions would be unacceptable. If you are loyal to *the Empire* above else you'll surely agree. I have sworn the Praetorian's oath in the past and it has not been forgotten. Loyalty to the Empire - undoubtedly. Loyalty to a Gallente puppet - never.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:45:00 -
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I have taken the same oath Tharrn, do not forget that.
Should it be that the Lady Sarum rises to become Empress, then she has fufilled her destiny inspired by her divine will and will have my full support as a loyal citizen. Should she fail then she shall not have my support.
I hope that we shall be reunited under a common liege in the near future Tharrn, I have no wish for violence to come between us.
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Attache and Heir to House Tellen PIE Inc "Serve the Emperor Above All Others" |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 15:55:00 -
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Neither have I. The whole 'rite of succession' does not follow tradition. There is only one test, which is barely acceptable and cannot be called a test of the *heirs*.
Our Lady Sarum had no word in the choosing of her champion-candidates - it was decided by a 'vote'. I trust that he will win, but who could blame her if she'd refuse to accept defeat under these conditions?
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:04:00 -
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Yuur words do have Merit Tharrn, but I must hold to my post.
This "trial", no matter its form, has not been contested as far as I'm aware by the heirs themselves. I must therefore assume that the selected trial is legitimate, and as such binding under Amarrian law. I am sure I am not the only Imperial servant that holds to a similar path. Bring me absolute and legitimate proof that the ruling heirs all deny that such a tournament is a legitimate form of test and I will indeed stand down from my present station.
Until that day, it would be wise to cease these outcries for they border on the heretical to say the least! We are loyal servants to the Empire and our peers, and it is not our place to judge on matters that are far beyond our station.
Do not make yourself an enemy friend, be in not your sake but for the sake of your subbordinates. If the powers that be denote you as a heretic............. I would imagine that they would suffer the same fate as you. ------------------------------------------
Attache and Heir to House Tellen PIE Inc "Serve the Emperor Above All Others" |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:09:00 -
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To my knowledge all of the heirs have agreed to abide by the rules of the championship.
I do not like the way the new Emperor is being selected, but I will abide by the results of the championship. I will pledge allegiance to the new Emperor as soon as the contest is complete. I personally would like to see either House Ardishapur or House Kador give us our new Emperor, but I will support whoever wins with good grace.
Should any of the losing heirs fail to commit suicide, then they would be commiting the most treasonable heresy imaginable.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:14:00 -
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Quote: Neither have I. The whole 'rite of succession' does not follow tradition. There is only one test, which is barely acceptable and cannot be called a test of the *heirs*.
Our Lady Sarum had no word in the choosing of her champion-candidates - it was decided by a 'vote'. I trust that he will win, but who could blame her if she'd refuse to accept defeat under these conditions?
And so we see the true 'faith' of the Amarr - which lasts just as long as things go they way you believe they should.
Is your god so weak and feeble he needs you to correct his mistakes? At least your colleague has integrity in his beliefs - if you believe in a Divine Unknowable Plan, then you accept the bits you don't like.
But like most rabid fundamentalists, Sarum will undoubtably prove she feels God is too liberal...
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:24:00 -
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We shall see what the future will bring. This 'championship' could give rise to a new golden age of the Empire or the downfall of the Amarrian race.
My path has been set before me by the one and I will have to follow it, as my brethren have to follow theirs.
"When the ears hear only The mouth shouting And the eyes see only The fingers broken The world has turned And God has gone Left us with fond memories Of sweet life without pain."
The Scriptures. Apocalypse Verses 8:18.
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:42:00 -
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Tharrn,
This kind of division is that which the BSC warned PIE Inc about - how a division in the Empire at this time can only cause strife for the entire Amarrian race. Yet, you proceed along a destructive path. For all involved.
Alas, it seems we did not contact all the fractions in time.
Our benefactor advised us of the possible schisms in the Empire, and it would appear His words are to be believed.
For the love of the Empire, we urge you to reconsider. Conflict is not how the Empire should press forward. --
Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik President, Royal Communication Department http://eve.britishspacecorps.co.uk/http://eve.britishspacecorps |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:49:00 -
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I am worried about the integrity and identity of our people. I am worried about what the future may bring.
It is the future though. I have stated on which side I will stand if a particular future will come true - no more, no less.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.10.28 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Detaitiv on 28/10/2003 17:22:56 All of the respect and admiration I had held for you has turned to disgust.
A crisis of faith concerning the structure of the trials is understandable. You did not answer your lack of faith as a good Amarr should, in prayer and reflection for your own shortcoming, but seek to lead others in sin and rebellion.
I beg you to turn from this path to damnation now sir, or I shall be forced to hurry you on your path to judgement.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.10.28 18:01:00 -
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I agree with Detaitiv, listen to reason! ------------------------------------------
Attache and Heir to House Tellen PIE Inc "Serve the Emperor Above All Others" |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 18:18:00 -
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My fate lies in the hand of the one and our Lady Sarum now. As I said I will follow her wherever she will go.
I haven't renewed my clone-contract for months - should she be comitting ritual suicide so will I, and I'll do it in public at the Emperor's monument in Amarr.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2003.10.28 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 28/10/2003 18:27:02 Edited by: Ciar Meara on 28/10/2003 18:24:56 Tharrn, I speak to you as a former brother in arms and still an ally in the struggle of the amarr people.
Yet your current stand fills me with sadness and fear. It would be unfortunate that you would incite an open rebellion and discrace the memory of everything every emperor in the history of our empire stood for.
Not only a symbol of the unity of our people but a mostly a symbol of our devine right to rule the universe. This devine right is reflected perfectly in the trails, the warrior with the most prowess and skill but mostly the warrior which is most blessed with devine intervention (something that others would call luck) shall insure that the right man or women becomes imperator or imperatrix.
Thus the wheel turns and the new symbol of purity and amarr supremacy is elected and shall rule. And we shall obey and together perform great deeds...
Thought for the day: A people devided is a people lost
PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Inquisitor Cruciatus
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Posted - 2003.10.28 19:41:00 -
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My life, my strengh, my fealty, my honor, for Lady Sarum.
The son turns against the father. The chess board is set. One last game. |
Ian Wagner
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Posted - 2003.10.28 19:52:00 -
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Most seem to forget that, while an important part of the selection process, the champions tourney is still just a portion of it. I draw your attention to this grade school primer on the selection process, as more sophisticated explanations are beyond the comprehension of some bloodlines.
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The rituals mainly involve various ways in which the Five Heirs prove their loyalty to the empire and their ability to run it. As should be expected most of the rituals involve the Heirs directly, but some of them have changed through the ages to allow another person, chosen by the Heir, to perform in the Heir’s place. In fact, in recent time the intricate process of selecting personal champions has become the focal point of an Heir’s ability and prestige, by finding and hiring the right people for the occasion.
While I am not privy as to why the committee chose to have a popular vote decide who would be eligible for the tourney, my personal opinion is that they either wished to lessen the importance of the tourney, or that by the heirs not choosing their champion personally they are somewhat removed from any stigma associated with that champion failing.
While I personally believe that the Kor-Azor house would be the best choice for the new Emperor, I shall faithfully serve whichever of the heirs is invested with divinity.
Tourney aside, I believe that the Sarum house will have difficulty proving it's worth on the topic of domestic security, given it's non-existant policing of its own home system, which has allowed piracy to flourish and given it a below average .4 Concord security rating.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.10.28 21:49:00 -
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I still wonder how the Empire survived this long with the parition into 5 (before Heideran 6) factions, each with its own ideals and politics. I know for a fact that there are tentions between the factions, and it puzzles me to see that the empire is still intact, and has been for a few milleniums.
ISK's to the Amarr for that.
Still, with the way things are going as of late, I can imagine another "Khanid" happening.
We'll see after the championship.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 21:52:00 -
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Says a member of a race that is splintered into hundreds of clans which clashed recently over the question if your big chief is still fit to lead the tribes?
Makes me chuckle.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.10.28 22:07:00 -
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I never said the Republic is perfect :P
First of all, we just "exist" since a century or so. and second, this Republic isn't going to work, and i recognize that. However, you are evading my statement. The Republic has in no way to do with this discussion. Or do you want to turn away from the troubles in your empire by changing the subject?
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:09:00 -
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Excerpts of Amarrian history books:
"None of these gains would have been possible without the Legions, the best equipped, trained and disciplined fighting force the world had yet seen. The empire would be held and successfully defended for many centuries by the legions."
"The nature of the army also changed with soldiers being loyal to their commanders rather than the state itself. The fact that campaigns in this period tended to be more prolonged and the securing of discharge benefits by the personal influence of the generals attached the soldiers much more closely to their leaders."
The military plays an important role, carrying out the will of the Emperor and the heirs.
The Empire stands and falls with the Emperor though. His reign is absolute and undisputed once the tests of the rite of succession have been finally and without question left behind.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:16:00 -
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A most interesting thread, slightly soiled only by a few ramblings from the Inferior kind.
I suggest we keep ignoring their intrusion upon this theme which they fail to comprehend.
As for myself, I stand with PIE regarding the Holy Succession. I shall not waver, but alongside my brethren and sisters be the rock upon which the Empire shall grow and prosper. Which Heir will be our beacon of truth and enlightenment has yet to be decided. ----------------------------------------------
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Vel Kyri
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Posted - 2003.10.29 14:57:00 -
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Tharnn - i agree that Jamyl Sarum is the best choice for a righteous Amarr empire, or possibly (with some reservations) Ardishapur. I personally do not feel that the other Heirs can even hold a flame to these two.
But, even though i have loudly voiced my support for Sarum - even risking my life in the Trials for her) i still feel that if it is the Divine choice to not place her as Emperor, who am i to say otherwise?
Who am i to judge between Good and Evil - Gopd decides, and i meerly exist to serve God. -----
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.29 15:26:00 -
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I did not make any decisions beyond stating that I will follow Jamyl Sarum whatever her fate may be. My loyalty to Heideran was unquestionable, my loyalty to Jamyl Sarum will be absolute.
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Vel Kyri
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Posted - 2003.11.03 10:35:00 -
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I salute you for your great sense of loyalty - to follow one's master, even unto death, is the sigh of true loyalty and honour. -----
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