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Valeroth Kyarmentari Verdant Rampart 4	Posted - 2011.12.02 03:55:00 - [1] - Quote So about how many battleships would it take to takedown an Interbus customs office? Lets say 15-20 minutes. I don't want to spend hours shooting at one. Anyone have an idea?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 478	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:05:00 - [2] - Quote 10 mil HP, 20 minutes -> ~8.3k DPS. So about 6-7 gank BSs, give or take. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Valeroth Kyarmentari Verdant Rampart 4	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:08:00 - [3] - Quote Sort of bums me out. I'm all setup to put up a new customs office, but I can't take out the NPC station. And I don't know who to trust to help me do it. I'm in a small corp with only 3 people, so I guess I'll have to wait for everyone to be on at once. Instead of complaning like everyone else, I was going to take some action! Now meh.
mxzf Shovel Bros 186	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote You know, if you have less DPS it's still doable, it'll just take longer.
Cattegirn Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:23:00 - [5] - Quote Do the shields have a built-in regen rate at all?
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 215	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:41:00 - [6] - Quote Friends are hard.
Hundo Kay Great White North Exploration Gryphon League 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:17:00 - [7] - Quote Cattegirn wrote: Do the shields have a built-in regen rate at all? 50000s recharge IIRC, something so 200 per sec
pmchem GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 131	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:37:00 - [8] - Quote Valeroth Kyarmentari wrote: Sort of bums me out. I'm all setup to put up a new customs office, but I can't take out the NPC station. And I don't know who to trust to help me do it. I'm in a small corp with only 3 people, so I guess I'll have to wait for everyone to be on at once. On sisi I just solo afk'd an Interbus with MY TITAN. You should try that it will go well I promise.
Gabba Cyno 1	Posted - 2011.12.02 06:03:00 - [9] - Quote pmchem wrote: Valeroth Kyarmentari wrote: Sort of bums me out. I'm all setup to put up a new customs office, but I can't take out the NPC station. And I don't know who to trust to help me do it. I'm in a small corp with only 3 people, so I guess I'll have to wait for everyone to be on at once. On sisi I just solo afk'd an Interbus with MY TITAN. You should try that it will go well I promise. pmchem, Your picture disturbs me....You have that metro stalker look about you.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 479	Posted - 2011.12.02 08:34:00 - [10] - Quote About 4h solo in a gank BS... ...or one of the new tier3 BCs. Preferably the Oracle because you don't have to reload. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 187	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:53:00 - [11] - Quote People forget the 2.5m hp armor and 2m hp structure.... For reference, 6000 dps takes 40 minutes. The peak shield recharge is around 500 hp/s, so make sure you bring at least 3k dps to break through it quickly. Recharge is high for a structure, but also awesome because it saves you quite a bit of repping after it gets reinforced.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 41	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:32:00 - [12] - Quote Jack Dant wrote: People forget the 2.5m hp armor and 2m hp structure.... For reference, 6000 dps takes 40 minutes. The peak shield recharge is around 500 hp/s, so make sure you bring at least 3k dps to break through it quickly. Recharge is high for a structure, but also awesome because it saves you quite a bit of repping after it gets reinforced. The Interbus CO's go into reinforced? That would seem odd.
Omega Flames Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 15	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:38:00 - [13] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Jack Dant wrote: People forget the 2.5m hp armor and 2m hp structure.... For reference, 6000 dps takes 40 minutes. The peak shield recharge is around 500 hp/s, so make sure you bring at least 3k dps to break through it quickly. Recharge is high for a structure, but also awesome because it saves you quite a bit of repping after it gets reinforced. The Interbus CO's go into reinforced? That would seem odd. No the interbus ones don't but the player ones do and they have the exact same stats as the the interbus ones.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 194	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:42:00 - [14] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Jack Dant wrote: People forget the 2.5m hp armor and 2m hp structure.... For reference, 6000 dps takes 40 minutes. The peak shield recharge is around 500 hp/s, so make sure you bring at least 3k dps to break through it quickly. Recharge is high for a structure, but also awesome because it saves you quite a bit of repping after it gets reinforced. The Interbus CO's go into reinforced? That would seem odd. No, it doesnt. But the stats are the same for both that and player ones. Interbus CO, you need to shoot through 10 mil hp shields (with 500 hp/s peak recharge), then 2.5 mil hp armor, 2 mil hp structure (14.5m total). Player CO reinforces at 25% shields, then comes out with 0% shield and you kill the armor and hull. So you save 2.5 mil hp that magically vanish when it reinforces. If nobody shoots the POCO when it's out of reinforce, it should regenerate shields back to 25% in a bit over 2 hours (not actually tested).
Omega Flames Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 15	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:48:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Dant wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Jack Dant wrote: People forget the 2.5m hp armor and 2m hp structure.... For reference, 6000 dps takes 40 minutes. The peak shield recharge is around 500 hp/s, so make sure you bring at least 3k dps to break through it quickly. Recharge is high for a structure, but also awesome because it saves you quite a bit of repping after it gets reinforced. The Interbus CO's go into reinforced? That would seem odd. No, it doesnt. But the stats are the same for both that and player ones. Interbus CO, you need to shoot through 10 mil hp shields (with 500 hp/s peak recharge), then 2.5 mil hp armor, 2 mil hp structure (14.5m total). Player CO reinforces at 25% shields, then comes out with 0% shield and you kill the armor and hull. So you save 2.5 mil hp that magically vanish when it reinforces. If nobody shoots the POCO when it's out of reinforce, it should regenerate shields back to 25% in a bit over 2 hours (not actually tested). It will take exactly 13.8 hours for the shields to regen from 0 to 100% so prob about 3 to 3.47 hours? If they act just like pos's thou you will have to get them to 50% before you can get a 2nd reinforcement timer out of one so maybe 5.5 to 6.5 hours is my guess.
Jack Dant The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre 194	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote Omega Flames wrote: It will take exactly 13.8 hours for the shields to regen from 0 to 100% so prob about 3 to 3.47 hours? If they act just like pos's thou you will have to get them to 50% before you can get a 2nd reinforcement timer out of one so maybe 5.5 to 6.5 hours is my guess. Reinforcement timer resets at 25% according to the devblog, you don't have to rep it up all the way to 100%. I actually checked the shield recharge graphs a few days ago, and it should go 0-25% in a bit over 15% of the recharge time (2 to 2:30 hr).
Omega Flames Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 15	Posted - 2011.12.02 14:08:00 - [17] - Quote Jack Dant wrote: Omega Flames wrote: It will take exactly 13.8 hours for the shields to regen from 0 to 100% so prob about 3 to 3.47 hours? If they act just like pos's thou you will have to get them to 50% before you can get a 2nd reinforcement timer out of one so maybe 5.5 to 6.5 hours is my guess. Reinforcement timer resets at 25% according to the devblog, you don't have to rep it up all the way to 100%. I actually checked the shield recharge graphs a few days ago, and it should go 0-25% in a bit over 15% of the recharge time (2 to 2:30 hr). /sighs...i never said you had to bring it to 100%. You are correct that it only needs to get to 25% so there being only a roughly 2 hour time frame for someone to re muster to actually kill off the POCO is so much nicer than I was expecting that I actually think these things might be feasibly defendable by small forces.
lab geek011 Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.03 17:01:00 - [18] - Quote Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them
Gabba Cyno 1	Posted - 2011.12.03 17:12:00 - [19] - Quote lab geek011 wrote: Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them You cant. Just like you cant be a part of sov war in 0.0. Life isnt fair incase you didnt know. Why should a game as dynamic as eve be any different. PI is basically free isk anyways. If ccp gave you 100m isk per week some of you would complain that you should be getting 200m
lab geek011 Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.03 17:15:00 - [20] - Quote Gabba Cyno wrote: lab geek011 wrote: Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them You cant. Just like you cant be a part of sov war in 0.0. Life isnt fair incase you didnt know. Why should a game as dynamic as eve be any different. PI is basically free isk anyways. If ccp gave you 100m isk per week some of you would complain that you should be getting 200m When it states that they would be decommissioned and removed i went out and purchased a few to do my part only to find i have to destroy them by doing 14.5m damage, it is easy for big corps but what about the small ones. it would take around 4-5 hours per one and in low sec thats to long
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 42	Posted - 2011.12.03 23:07:00 - [21] - Quote lab geek011 wrote: Gabba Cyno wrote: lab geek011 wrote: Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them You cant. Just like you cant be a part of sov war in 0.0. Life isnt fair incase you didnt know. Why should a game as dynamic as eve be any different. PI is basically free isk anyways. If ccp gave you 100m isk per week some of you would complain that you should be getting 200m When it states that they would be decommissioned and removed i went out and purchased a few to do my part only to find i have to destroy them by doing 14.5m damage, it is easy for big corps but what about the small ones. it would take around 4-5 hours per one and in low sec thats to long I live in a C1, so no big firepower. We took our first one down. Yes it took 3hours and 54 minutes, but it went down.
Jita Bloodtear Bloodtear Labs 20	Posted - 2011.12.05 00:40:00 - [22] - Quote I've killed about 70 Interbus POCOs now, 14.5mil EHP each. With a small group of supercarriers it takes 8.5mins each. The killboards are bugged and don't register them as valid kills yet though
Itsvan Cyberdust Industries 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 01:01:00 - [23] - Quote Valeroth Kyarmentari wrote: Sort of bums me out. I'm all setup to put up a new customs office, but I can't take out the NPC station. And I don't know who to trust to help me do it. I'm in a small corp with only 3 people, so I guess I'll have to wait for everyone to be on at once. Instead of complaning like everyone else, I was going to take some action! Now meh. All corps make Big Alliances, time for Low sec to get interesting! Small Corps keep Posting please, low sec is every ones space.
Anishoara Federal Institute Service 6	Posted - 2011.12.05 02:00:00 - [24] - Quote We used : 1 x Raven Torp 1 x Dominix sentry T2 1 x Abaddon + 5 fighters 1 x Maelstrom + 5 fighters It took us approx 1h to destroy one.
Irongut Sex Money Guns Unprovoked Aggression 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 13:25:00 - [25] - Quote If you're a 2 man corp trying to anchor your own COs you're crazy. Even if you could anchor them you'll never be able to defend them. You're best bet is make friends with a larger neighbour and get them to give you access to their COs at a favourable tax rate.
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.05 14:30:00 - [26] - Quote Really? Really? People are whining about having to kill the interbus COs? You might have to commit some time before you make some isk, kind of like everything else? And here I was thinking random gankers were going to run around smacking COs. I did see COs appear on KBs, so maybe 'trophy' hunters will do it for you....
Valeroth Kyarmentari Verdant Rampart 5	Posted - 2011.12.05 15:34:00 - [27] - Quote Salcon Cliff wrote: Really? Really? People are whining about having to kill the interbus COs? You might have to commit some time before you make some isk, kind of like everything else? And here I was thinking random gankers were going to run around smacking COs. I did see COs appear on KBs, so maybe 'trophy' hunters will do it for you.... I'm not really whining about killing the Interbus stations, and PI really is an isignificant portion of my income. I was just thought it would be fun to setup a customs office. I don't even care if it every pays for itself. It was just a bit of a letdown to not be able to built it (the instatn gratification is gone). Not a big deal really, and I'm working on getting some people together to take one down. It might get done, it might not. I do appreciate most of the feedback I've gotten in this thread. Gives me a better idea of what I should organize.
Hundo Kay Great White North Exploration Gryphon League 24	Posted - 2011.12.05 16:39:00 - [28] - Quote Jita Bloodtear wrote: I've killed about 70 Interbus POCOs now, 14.5mil EHP each. With a small group of supercarriers it takes 8.5mins each. The killboards are bugged and don't register them as valid kills yet though I think the Interbus ones are NPC and will not generate KM.
Lightword Cosmic Flight Industries Joint Alliance Blue 5	Posted - 2011.12.05 19:41:00 - [29] - Quote Go hire a merc corp to blow them all up. Then follow behind dropping and upgrading. To easy, just know that you wont be able to protect them. So, cut a deal with the merc and add them as a +10 standing to the corp and they will be more inclined to help you defend the copo.
Velicitia Open Designs 164	Posted - 2011.12.05 20:05:00 - [30] - Quote Valeroth Kyarmentari wrote: It was just a bit of a letdown to not be able to built it (the instant gratification is gone). EVE has instant gratification?
Valeroth Kyarmentari Verdant Rampart 5	Posted - 2011.12.05 20:08:00 - [31] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Valeroth Kyarmentari wrote: It was just a bit of a letdown to not be able to built it (the instant gratification is gone). EVE has instant gratification? lol
Mentat Cthulhu Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.12.05 20:49:00 - [32] - Quote If you can't handle taking down the customs office then you should just leave it be and pay the higher % npc tax.
Not A Vampire Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 20:59:00 - [33] - Quote Mentat Cthulhu wrote: If you can't handle taking down the customs office then you should just leave it be and pay the higher % npc tax. QFT
Anishoara Federal Institute Service 7	Posted - 2011.12.06 01:23:00 - [34] - Quote Hundo Kay wrote: I think the Interbus ones are NPC and will not generate KM. A killmail is generated !
Wolodymyr Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos 11	Posted - 2011.12.06 05:24:00 - [35] - Quote OK when I hear "Small corp" I think 10-15 people on during peak hours. Honestly if you can't get that then you won't be able to defend your customs office anyway. A while ago we managed to hold down a lowsec station system 1 jump out of highsec with 10ish people on at a time. And this was before Incursion depopulated lowsec and nullsec, and before Incarna depopulated all of eve. Yeah you might be unfortunate enough to live next to some lowsec power blocks but you are never going to get hot dropped by a huge nullsec empire, there are simply too many planets to take and hold in eve so I imagine you'll just have to worry about local politics.
Mr Twinkie Avant-Garde Monastery Cascade Probable 0	Posted - 2011.12.07 04:55:00 - [36] - Quote lab geek011 wrote: Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them I'm sorry but a 2 man corp is nothing more then 2 friends with a chat channel. You complaining that you cant compete with a real multi hundred man corp with officers and a structured op calender.. Thats like Uganda complaining USA's military is unfair.
TorTorden NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 15	Posted - 2011.12.07 16:13:00 - [37] - Quote Mr Twinkie wrote: lab geek011 wrote: Eve is always the same, the big corps get it all and the lower corps get crap How can i compete with my 2 man corp against a corp that has set up 5 Customs offices as they have 95 people It stated in the post that they would be removed it said nothing about having to destory them I'm sorry but a 2 man corp is nothing more then 2 friends with a chat channel. You complaining that you cant compete with a real multi hundred man corp with officers and a structured op calender.. Thats like Uganda complaining USA's military is unfair. Some of us take things maybe a bit more seriously, since we take years building our 100+ member corps, spending hours building corp structure, logistical infrastructure. I have personally written 3000 lines of php for our internal web tools. @lab geek011, take a pill and be quiet.
Tash'k Omar Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates. 1	Posted - 2011.12.07 16:48:00 - [38] - Quote Akita T wrote: 10 mil HP, 20 minutes -> ~8.3k DPS. So about 6-7 gank BSs, give or take. 14.5 mil hp, 20 minutes -> 12,083 DPS. 15 Battleships with 800 DPS a pop.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 2	Posted - 2011.12.08 13:27:00 - [39] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: I live in a C1, so no big firepower. We took our first one down. Yes it took 3hours and 54 minutes, but it went down. The new tier 3 BCs fit into C1s don't they? === If you need more firepower to take down a customs office, hire a merc corp for a couple hours. The whole point of a merc corp is to get jobs done that a corp couldn't on their own. I would caution that if you need the extra firepower, you probably won't be able to defend your customs offices, however.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 43	Posted - 2011.12.08 14:56:00 - [40] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: I live in a C1, so no big firepower. We took our first one down. Yes it took 3hours and 54 minutes, but it went down. The new tier 3 BCs fit into C1s don't they? === If you need more firepower to take down a customs office, hire a merc corp for a couple hours. The whole point of a merc corp is to get jobs done that a corp couldn't on their own. I would caution that if you need the extra firepower, you probably won't be able to defend your customs offices, however. They do, But at the time nobody had one. Had an opportunity with a closed up WH (no active WH's) and I didnt want to risk opening the static and leaving to pick one up. And honestly my built inside Dominix with a full rack of blasters and gardes would have out DPS'd a Talos (my large hybrid skills aren't there yet). Future CO bashing will have some of the new BC's and will work better. The point however is that even with relatively limited firepower it did go down. And that one CO is saving just my PI 460mil isk per month in taxes.

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