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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:37:00 -
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I've been considering setting up a trap for those pirates who love to gank noobs. The idea is to have a bait ship out in 0.4 space mining away , and when someone invariably comes to gank them 3 or 4 people login there and annhilate the lowrent ganker.
Too lame? Sounds like a helluva lot of fun in my opinion...
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Mike Sharona
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:41:00 -
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You'll have to be pretty quick on the login button I reckon. Doesn't take long to rub a noob out, and they'd be gone before you get to ride the cavalry in...
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:47:00 -
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Well, I was thinking of an Arbitrator for the bait, rigged up with webber/scrambler/jammer, along with enough armor to hold out if the guy comes in at long range for some reason. Her job is just to look innocent until the mark gets in range of all the ECM stuff. As soon as the mark is ECM'ed up, everyone else logs in.
Never done a login trap before, but having crashed enough times I think this would work.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:59:00 -
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Wow, you really do know how to uberlame.
May I suggest a Zimmerframe?
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:01:00 -
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I can hear the "waah exploit!" screams already. Seriously, "they" want to control when you get to log out AND when you log in I am sure :)
I like the idea though. Perhaps one small modification, spend a few nights ploughing through your favourite 0.4 getting insta ganked by your favourite kiddies. Collect up the month kill rights and exercise them. Twofold bonus, saves your sec, gives them the warm feeling of being in control of something, they seem to relish it, then booom - reality dose. Of course risking your implants may not be worth it.
If Eve players could control themselves, there would be no need to control them. As they can't I give your plan my blessing! If only I had some ships and skill points to give it too.... :( Seriously, if you manage to flip a tractored JetCan with your shuttle and you started 34Km away, it's a Macro in the hauler, make no mistake. |
Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands I can hear the "waah exploit!" screams already. Seriously, "they" want to control when you get to log out AND when you log in I am sure :)
I like the idea though. Perhaps one small modification, spend a few nights ploughing through your favourite 0.4 getting insta ganked by your favourite kiddies. Collect up the month kill rights and exercise them. Twofold bonus, saves your sec, gives them the warm feeling of being in control of something, they seem to relish it, then booom - reality dose. Of course risking your implants may not be worth it.
That's awesome! Thanks for the idea, I may have to do that. I suppose it will relieve a bit of the lameness - revenge is revenge, after all... No implants anyway, lost those a while ago.
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Flax Volcanus
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:06:00 -
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While I hope that you're successful, it's not exactly a new tactic, and most pies are savvy to the possibility of a trap. You may score on some really stupid ones though... |
Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flax Volcanus While I hope that you're successful, it's not exactly a new tactic, and most pies are savvy to the possibility of a trap. You may score on some really stupid ones though...
when a pirate sees local jump by 4 new members hes not going to sit there and think "Oh, they might just be passing through"...hes going to leg it.
Given that you have to wait for your client to actually load the overview and other windows, and finish its 1,000,000km warp ,as well as landing 15km from your oiginal log off point, I'd say its both a pretty lame tactic and also a pretty crap tactic.
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Sonlatur
Minmatar Matari Raiders
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:16:00 -
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I dont really see why it would be lame to blow a miner to hell, but whatever...
Login traps are considered super-lame by most (or so they say), but on the other side i dont really understand why. They are the only counter to almighty local afterall.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sonlatur Login traps are considered super-lame by most (or so they say), but on the other side i dont really understand why. They are the only counter to almighty local afterall.
Logging yourself out of game so you don't appear there and don't cause alarm, and presumably using an ALT as your eyes, is a exploit surely?
Local is part of the game. Hiding from it in the present metagame is exploiting.
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon when a pirate sees local jump by 4 new members hes not going to sit there and think "Oh, they might just be passing through"...hes going to leg it.
That's the whole point though... unless he's fitting WCS, he isn't going to be "legging" anything.
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ZuN3
Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.10 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: ZuN3 on 10/10/2006 16:23:45
Originally by: Rowan Mayfair Well, I was thinking of an Arbitrator for the bait, rigged up with webber/scrambler/jammer, along with enough armor to hold out if the guy comes in at long range for some reason. Her job is just to look innocent until the mark gets in range of all the ECM stuff. As soon as the mark is ECM'ed up, everyone else logs in.
Never done a login trap before, but having crashed enough times I think this would work.
heh, I fell for that trap, well I say 'fell for' It was a pretty blatent trap, it was an arbitrator in athe first belt on the list, alone, mining, 'miner 1' was the name, I thought 'meh, I'll give it a go anyway'. Soon enough I was webbed, nossed and scrammed. Then about 5-8 other ships appeared, I managed to mwd out of scram range and warp out, I think it would have been fairly effective, if their tacklers were any good, they had ample time to get to me and pin me down but still didn't. If you had some competant pilots then I think it would be fairly effecive. just put a nice tank on the arby, I suggest something heavily plated.
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Serious Bob
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:20:00 -
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Double webs, 2 point scrambler and a tracking disruptor. Or maybe switch one of the webs for a propulsion mod.. but I jus tlike webs.
Plate the lows, nos the highs.
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Ras Blumin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon Logging yourself out of game so you don't appear there and don't cause alarm, and presumably using an ALT as your eyes, is a exploit surely?
Local is part of the game. Hiding from it in the present metagame is exploiting.
Sadly not in the bannable way.
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:41:00 -
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What you want is a Bait Dominix. As many 1600mm plates as possible, slap on an EANM or two and ECM/scrams is meds. Keep tech 1 mining drones out for when people scan you down and make a can with a timestamp.. That way there is no doubt about it - you're mining alright.
Then when he + his buddies engage, unleash ogres and have backup log in or warp in. Voila.
A fun addition is to have the bait fit 2 large smarties and an MWD to ensure you'll catch the pods + any bounty they may have, too.
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Hesed
Hamartia.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:25:00 -
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No no no.
You don't want to be logged out. You want to fool them.
What you will need is several cheap mining ships at an off grid bm near a belt so that they show up on scan. You'll want all ur mans to be in the system in interceptors or interdictors (9au/s) and all about +15AU and off plane from any warpable object.
You will need one guy in a battle badger rigged for survival. There is a chance they will think he is a straggler and go for the kill. Even an abandoned hauler is not that uncommon a sight for pirate.
Given that covops are so frequently used by pirates these days, you should probably put even cheap mining ships at different safespots, just don't forget where they are.
The only flaw in this design is the waiting. You may wait minutes for an encounter, or possibly days. Timewise, it's best to just choose popular fighting spots with a scout and warp in on ongoing fights/ransoms.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:47:00 -
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Get 2+ battleships close to the miner and cloak them with a full rack of smartbombs then just wait for them to aproach the miner (you may want to have the miner mine in a cruiser with mining lasers so they look weak but give them a few remote sensor dampers to force the pirates to get close, they will most likely think this is an escape tactic because remote sensor damps often reduce below locking range causing their lock to drop in addition to giving you several seconds to warp off which is guaranteed provided you get up to 75% speed before damping them) and just wait for them to get inside SB range and uncloak and activate them all at once.
Spec everything to tank the damage the SB's do and you should all be perfectly safe.
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ReverendM
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:21:00 -
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*Shuffles janitors out* Cleaned As stated, login traps are considered exploits. Keep the topic to tactics that aren't bonsidered exploits.
-ReverendM
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:27:00 -
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I'm sorry, I honestly did not realize they were against the EULA.
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Sonlatur
Minmatar Matari Raiders
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sonlatur I dont really see why it would be lame to blow a miner to hell, but whatever...
Login traps are considered super-lame by most (or so they say), but on the other side i dont really understand why. They are the only counter to almighty local afterall. It is also considered exploiting the game mechanics, which is against the EULA. -ReverendM
Ok, thanks. Didnt know that. Never done it anyways, as i work alone (and on one account).
Originally by: Twilight Moon Logging yourself out of game so you don't appear there and don't cause alarm, and presumably using an ALT as your eyes, is a exploit surely?
Local is part of the game. Hiding from it in the present metagame is exploiting.
Didnt know that it was an exploit... As for "metagaming" - EVE is so full of metagaming that this alone will not make a tactic lame or an exploit.
Logging out while in a bubble, using an alt scout, using several accounts to boost performance in general. All metagaming.
Then add-in "features" gone mad like local and bookmarks.
Dont forget aligning which miraculously makes you go into warp instantly and being far from warp-in point which makes you untouchable by anything but a cloaker...
What remains isnt much of playing the game honestly.
Ah well, maybe faction warfare. Maybe.
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MrMann
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sonlatur I dont really see why it would be lame to blow a miner to hell, but whatever...
Login traps are considered super-lame by most (or so they say), but on the other side i dont really understand why. They are the only counter to almighty local afterall. It is also considered exploiting the game mechanics, which is against the EULA. -ReverendM
Agreed 100%.
I have often thought that newer players should get a sterner warning message when they try to jump into .4 space for the first time. It only seems fair as many don't realize the level of risk it appears.
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Complacency's Bane
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 10/10/2006 20:07:32
Originally by: ReverendM *Shuffles janitors out* Cleaned As stated, login traps are considered exploits. Keep the topic to tactics that aren't considered exploits.
-ReverendM
Since when?
What I know about logon traps is that they've been explicitly stated to NOT be exploits. Originally by: MrMann Agreed 100%.
I have often thought that newer players should get a sterner warning message when they try to jump into .4 space for the first time. It only seems fair as many don't realize the level of risk it appears.
Are you kidding? Most of the nutjobs who've made permanent homes in the noob corps spend all day telling people that every time you jump into .4 or lower, you'll die instantly.
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Karoth Tyu
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:44:00 -
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In reference to the obvious, I never understood why login traps are considered exploits, but logouts to avoid bubble camps are 100% A+ A-OK. They're both metagaming tactics.
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MrMann
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:48:00 -
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I think the nub of the issue is that logging on always requires an affirmative act. Logging off can be an affirmative act or a disconnect due to lag, power outage, outraged spouce, or whatever.
I'm not sure what to do about logging off because it is not always intentional. <shrugs> I guess CCP will work on it.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karoth Tyu In reference to the obvious, I never understood why login traps are considered exploits
Theyre not, they havent been considered exploits since the warp-off logoff/warp-in logon game mechanic was introduced more then 2 years ago. I'm not sure what Mr. ISD was on (LSD?), but it has been conclusively and repeatedly stated to not be an exploit by CCP.
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Sonlatur
Minmatar Matari Raiders
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Karoth Tyu In reference to the obvious, I never understood why login traps are considered exploits, but logouts to avoid bubble camps are 100% A+ A-OK. They're both metagaming tactics.
[cynic] Log-off tactics are employed to avoid involuntary pvp. Log-on tactics are employed to force involuntary pvp. There you have it. [/cynic]
-- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible." |
Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:33:00 -
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This thread has been badly moderated. Despite being lamer than a legless dead donkey in Asshat, Ohio, logon traps are perfectly legal within Eve. Those replies discussing it should be restored.
For ReverendM, here is Oveur on the subject. Try and find an official change in CCP's stance since. Also, explain why Red Alliance still exists
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.10 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: ReverendM *Shuffles janitors out* Cleaned As stated, login traps are considered exploits. Keep the topic to tactics that aren't considered exploits.
-ReverendM
Login traps are not exploits.
Are they lame? Yes. It would be nice if you got your facts straight though
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 10/10/2006 23:10:19 Edited by: Samirol on 10/10/2006 23:09:57
Originally by: Rowan Mayfair Login Traps = Exploit :. No go on the forums. Using exploits can lead to in game bans, and discussing how to use them on the forums can lead to forum bans. -ReverendM
since when are login traps exploits?
rev fails at modding
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.11 03:03:00 -
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Well, with the servers being down, I've got nothing better to do - so, am I an exploiter, or just an "uberlamer"?
LOL I should add that as my signature.
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