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Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:02:44 - [1] - Quote Why is EvE still such a small game compared to WoW? Because Eve loses a lot players! That is a simple answer on that question but here comes why: There are 3 reasons why I think people leaving EvE 1. Eve looks very complex in the beginning and hard to understand. They don't really know how to find help or don't want to read every part of the tutorial. So how about a Video tutorial? 2. High sec is way unsafer then low/null/wh space Just to give you guys an example I know a lot people who live in null sec space or low sec who lost WAY more isk wise in high sec then in the space they live. How is that even possible? A space which is made for beginners which is the most dangerous space? There should only be 2 reasons for pvp in high sec and that is wars or duals. 3. This point is connected to 2. Noobs joining eve with there friends. They found a corp to play together and then they get war dec'd the next day. Wars are used to make easy noob kills and such. Wars in my opinion should be way diffrent because when youhate someone you go to low/null/wh space find him and kill him. If you really HATE him you war dec him so you can kill him even in high sec but that should cost you a big price because if you pay that high price to kill him you really hate him and want his death. So the money to war dec someone should be calculated by this: 1.000.000.000+(((Members of the war decing corp)x50.000.000))/(Members of the corp beeing war dec'd-10) = 1 Month of war decing That helps that large corps does not war dec small corps so often. In this way corps under 10 peoplecan not be war dec'd Example: War decing corp has 100 Members. Corp beeing war dec'd got 30 1.000.000.000+((100*50.000.000)/(20)= 1.250.000.000 isk I still think this is a bit small for war decing someone but I hope it will help to keep the game alive because more and more experianced player leave the game just because of number 2 and 3. You guys doing a lot to find new player but you should care more about to hold them in the game. Fly safe! I would love to see feed back and what other people think about this.
Ix Method Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery 417	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:05:58 - [2] - Quote Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Travelling at the speed of love.
Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:11:00 - [3] - Quote Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space.
Lugh Crow-Slave 795	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:11:56 - [4] - Quote High sec is just supposed to be more controlled CCP has left it up to use to make space safe/dangerous Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
Ix Method Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery 417	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:19:59 - [5] - Quote Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. Under your proposals 99% of people wouldn't be worth wardeccing and ganking is apparently just gone. Isk earning would be effectively risk-free, more efficient because pimpmods and devalue isk-making activities in other parts of space. This would be a massive change to the culture of the game. Needs justifying. Travelling at the speed of love.
Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:32:33 - [6] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. Under your proposals 99% of people wouldn't be worth wardeccing and ganking is apparently just gone. Isk earning would be effectively risk-free, more efficient because pimpmods and devalue isk-making activities in other parts of space. This would be a massive change to the culture of the game. Needs justifying. Yes you got it right. Massive change to a better game. It just thoughts I had and It does not need to be changed in one big update maybe step by step. I mean war decing should be more used to cut the supply from high sec. Like its always happening in real wars. You cut the supply and the corp slowly bleeds out or need to fight them. I just want to make wars way more fair for noobs and I want high sec back into his role as a save place for beginners.
Bob Maths EVE University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:36:40 - [7] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Why do you think you're entitled to camp the glorious ISK making in High Sec which would obviously ruin the game? I take it you've never played any game where a global free-for-all has resulted in that game failing. Aven Yassavi wrote: Why is EvE still such a small game compared to WoW? Because Eve loses a lot players! That is a simple answer on that question but here comes why: There are 3 reasons why I think people leaving EvE 1. Eve looks very complex in the beginning and hard to understand. They don't really know how to find help or don't want to read every part of the tutorial. So how about a Video tutorial? 2. High sec is way unsafer then low/null/wh space Just to give you guys an example I know a lot people who live in null sec space or low sec who lost WAY more isk wise in high sec then in the space they live. How is that even possible? A space which is made for beginners which is the most dangerous space? There should only be 2 reasons for pvp in high sec and that is wars or duals. 3. This point is connected to 2. Noobs joining eve with there friends. They found a corp to play together and then they get war dec'd the next day. Wars are used to make easy noob kills and such. Wars in my opinion should be way diffrent because when youhate someone you go to low/null/wh space find him and kill him. If you really HATE him you war dec him so you can kill him even in high sec but that should cost you a big price because if you pay that high price to kill him you really hate him and want his death. So the money to war dec someone should be calculated by this: 1.000.000.000+(((Members of the war decing corp)x50.000.000))/(Members of the corp beeing war dec'd-10) = 1 Month of war decing That helps that large corps does not war dec small corps so often. In this way corps under 10 peoplecan not be war dec'd Example: War decing corp has 100 Members. Corp beeing war dec'd got 30 1.000.000.000+((100*50.000.000)/(20)= 1.250.000.000 isk I still think this is a bit small for war decing someone but I hope it will help to keep the game alive because more and more experianced player leave the game just because of number 2 and 3. You guys doing a lot to find new player but you should care more about to hold them in the game. Fly safe! I would love to see feed back and what other people think about this. Why the -10? Unless you're taking the absolute value you'll end up with negative values for persons of small corporations, in which case the function retains the purpose. Also don't forget relying on 'corporation' values can be easily manipulated by the players themselves to incur massive costs for the declaring corp. There's also possibly economic reasons why this is a bad idea too. Otherwise the function retains its use but overall costs less on this function rather than at the capped 500m a week. 1x10^9+\|100x50x`0^6/(3-10)\|=1.7b whereas your original function costs the declaring corporation 285m, substantially less (and increasingly so for increasing numbers) resulting in more war declarations?
Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:40:38 - [8] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Why do you think you're entitled to camp the glorious ISK making in High Sec which would obviously ruin the game? I take it you've never played any game where a global free-for-all has resulted in that game failing. Aven Yassavi wrote: Why is EvE still such a small game compared to WoW? Because Eve loses a lot players! That is a simple answer on that question but here comes why: There are 3 reasons why I think people leaving EvE 1. Eve looks very complex in the beginning and hard to understand. They don't really know how to find help or don't want to read every part of the tutorial. So how about a Video tutorial? 2. High sec is way unsafer then low/null/wh space Just to give you guys an example I know a lot people who live in null sec space or low sec who lost WAY more isk wise in high sec then in the space they live. How is that even possible? A space which is made for beginners which is the most dangerous space? There should only be 2 reasons for pvp in high sec and that is wars or duals. 3. This point is connected to 2. Noobs joining eve with there friends. They found a corp to play together and then they get war dec'd the next day. Wars are used to make easy noob kills and such. Wars in my opinion should be way diffrent because when youhate someone you go to low/null/wh space find him and kill him. If you really HATE him you war dec him so you can kill him even in high sec but that should cost you a big price because if you pay that high price to kill him you really hate him and want his death. So the money to war dec someone should be calculated by this: 1.000.000.000+(((Members of the war decing corp)x50.000.000))/(Members of the corp beeing war dec'd-10) = 1 Month of war decing That helps that large corps does not war dec small corps so often. In this way corps under 10 peoplecan not be war dec'd Example: War decing corp has 100 Members. Corp beeing war dec'd got 30 1.000.000.000+((100*50.000.000)/(20)= 1.250.000.000 isk I still think this is a bit small for war decing someone but I hope it will help to keep the game alive because more and more experianced player leave the game just because of number 2 and 3. You guys doing a lot to find new player but you should care more about to hold them in the game. Fly safe! I would love to see feed back and what other people think about this. Why the -10? Unless you're taking the absolute value you'll end up with negative values for persons of small corporations, in which case the function retains the purpose. Also don't forget relying on 'corporation' values can be easily manipulated by the players themselves to incur massive costs for the declaring corp. There's also possibly economic reasons why this is a bad idea too. Otherwise the function retains its use but overall costs less on this function rather than at the capped 500m a week. 1x10^9+\|100x50x`0^6/(3-10)\|=1.7b whereas your original function costs the declaring corporation 285m, substantially less (and increasingly so for increasing numbers) resulting in more war declarations? Alright the -10 was only used to protect smallers corps that means when the corp is smaller the 10 people its not able to be war dec'd in any case ever this formula is not good I just want to make to have wars in the right way. There are corp war decing 160 corps just to make kills. In my point of view thats not what a war dec should be used for it should be used for fighting someone you really don't like.
h4kun4 Heeresversuchsanstalt The Bastion 18	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:43:07 - [9] - Quote I see it that way: Eve is already overcrowded. surely there are parts of space which are totally empty, but thats because the sapce is not worth settling in at the moment. (Thats CCPs Job) Making the game less risky would convince less players to leave which would even more lead into overcrowdment (Because useless space keeps being useless, no matter how many people play). A not small part of the players which would stay then, might also go to nullsec, means growing blobs, means less fun. If they stop eve because someone ganked them, they will also stop later because theyve been treated unfairly and if you stop eve because someone stole your sweetroll, its better for you and for everyone else playing eve. Im very glad eve is not WoW, I most likely couldnt stand the drama 5000 14 year olds would cause in eves community and i bet you couldnt too. If you are annoyed by wardecs, go to an NPC corp or to nullsec/lowsec/wormholes. The opportunities are big.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 1242	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:43:23 - [10] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. Why should I (not me, but my alt; I make more than enough ISK in Null sec as it stands with ratting and missions.)? Why should I be forced to go to Null sec to make meaningful amounts of money just because this game is infested by people who are incapable of finding their own hands when they look at them? Why should these people dictate how I play the sandbox when they just want to make easy money and when they just want to not put effort into the game? Why should I be forced to go anywhere if I am satisfied and have more than enough things to do in the area I play in -- things even that I can impossibly do in Low sec or Null sec. Why should incapability, laziness, risk-aversion, sense of entitlement, bigotry and ISK-Min/Max-ing be the standard to measure what people should do and what not? Why should Null sec decide what High sec is supposed to be like (Granted, High sec has already imposed their standards on Null sec as Null sec has become a whole lot safer than it actually is supposed to be)? In contrast, it is sickening to see that people do not want to put effort into the game anymore. It is sickening that people think that their Sovereign space is nothing but a temporary holiday residence that you should not use and instead go elsewhere to live. Admittedly, this seems to change a little bit lately if you trust graph and statistics thrown around by graph nerds. Then again, I see so many people of CFC and other Null blocks in High every day, that space they loath and want to see done away with. This hypocrisy is especially sickening, this complaining about nothing to do in Null sec/Low sec, while they run away from there at the same time. It is sickening that these people are catered to. It is sickening that CCP tries to lure more of these people into EVE, who are toxic to the game. It is sickening that so many people only think about how to change High sec instead of putting thought and effort into finding ways to make Low and Null sec better without taking away from High sec. It is sickening that so many people are just interested in gaining easy ways in the game and that they have such a large platform to push their ways forward. It is sickening that people expect there to be all information and explanation dished to them on the silver platter when this game is absolutely about to find your way into by doing research, socializing and learning by doing/failing/succeeding. New players who fail at that are not suitable for this game and can and ought to be ignored. No amount of better NPE is going to make them stay as they just want to play things the way Angry Bird or Candy Crush or Farmville works. If you want to play EVE, you have to do research, you have to read, you have to look for and watch videos/read tutorials/info pieces, you have to ask around, you have to socialize. If you get wardeced during your first days, you just hop back into an NPC corp if you cannot keep up with the sudden change in pace. There are many ways to stay in touch with your "friends", if you wish to do so and if they wish to do so. However, EVE is a game, a social experiment, which is solely about drawing the dark nature out of every player. There are ways to avoid crossing their paths or cross it unnoticed; however, if you play EVE, you have to expect mischief to befall you sooner or later. The problem here is that this dark side has turned into a victimization complex, which is not so much about causing trouble to capable people anymore but rather to just find easy targets. More and more people are just after a quick kill instead of a fight, after a gank instead of a skirmish, something easy that does not require skill, effort, that is free of risk and that can be laughed at when it dies to you. Station Tab :: Agent Shuffling :: Double Standing Gain
Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:47:15 - [11] - Quote h4kun4 wrote: I see it that way: Eve is already overcrowded. surely there are parts of space which are totally empty, but thats because the sapce is not worth settling in at the moment. (Thats CCPs Job) Making the game less risky would convince less players to leave which would even more lead into overcrowdment (Because useless space keeps being useless, no matter how many people play). A not small part of the players which would stay then, might also go to nullsec, means growing blobs, means less fun. If they stop eve because someone ganked them, they will also stop later because theyve been treated unfairly and if you stop eve because someone stole your sweetroll, its better for you and for everyone else playing eve. Im very glad eve is not WoW, I most likely couldnt stand the drama 5000 14 year olds would cause in eves community and i bet you couldnt too. If you are annoyed by wardecs, go to an NPC corp or to nullsec/lowsec/wormholes. The opportunities are big. Yes that is also kind of true there but still I think a corp which war decs 160 corps at the same time is strange. In the way I see war dec's
Discomanco We pooped on your lawn Resonance. 114	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:49:06 - [12] - Quote So, concerning point #1, you seem to be mixing things up with the title. "Why EvE will be a game of noobs in 10 years There are 3 reasons why I think people leaving EvE 1. Eve looks very complex in the beginning and hard to understand. They don't really know how to find help or don't want to read every part of the tutorial." So if all the new players leave the game, how is it going to be a game of noobs? It would just be a game of bittervets around. That being said, NPE has improved tons over the past years, and is still improving during the year, with another overhaul(ish?) coming soonGäó, and had you followed stuff, you would know that CCP is actually working on new player academy videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQvKSs1k6DLO6iVoip6ZUa5xiG1Ak7hW_ Highsec is unsafer than low/null It's as safe as you make it I'd say. Keep an eye out, know your way around, use the tools necessary and there's not much danger at all. Sure low and null CAN be safer if you're blue with your surroundings, but even then it doesn't stop roamers. The only reason it's safer, is because you know who's friendly and who wants to blap you in the face Wardec prices No opinion from me
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 323	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:52:29 - [13] - Quote Aven Yassavi wrote: 2. High sec is way unsafer then low/null/wh space Just to give you guys an example I know a lot people who live in null sec space or low sec who lost WAY more isk wise in high sec then in the space they live. How is that even possible? A space which is made for beginners which is the most dangerous space? It's simple really. When outside of highsec players don't think they are safe so they take precautions when flying with cargo or expensive fits. When inside of highsec players wrongly assume they are safe so take no precautions when flying with cargo or expensive fits. It is a player problem not a highsec problem. Aven Yassavi wrote: There should only be 2 reasons for pvp in high sec and that is wars or duals There is already a thread for this kind of suggestion. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Aven Yassavi OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:53:34 - [14] - Quote Alright thanks for your opinion. Thats what I wanted to see good feed back from all of you guys will think about it more! fly safe
Bob Maths EVE University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:54:13 - [15] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. rant Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 753	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:59:01 - [16] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. rant Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? I'm going to go ahead and quote myself: afkalt wrote: Eve players: Furiously defending the 'sandbox' whilst yelling that everyone else is playing in it wrong since 2003.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 978	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:59:28 - [17] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. rant Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? They aren't 'entitled to' ruin someone elses play, they do so because they can and understand the mechanics that allow them to do so. Equally players can use the game mechanics to avoid such day ruination. Players just need to learn how and that comes from experience or tips from other players.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 1244	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:00:17 - [18] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? Care to explain? How am I ruining other people's fun and frustrate them when I expect them to play the game how it is supposed to be played? I despise software like Angry Bird and people who expect everything to be like it. EVE is not supposed to like that so how do I ruin fun where people never had any rights to expect fun because of the fundamentally different nature between their expectations and the reality around EVE? Station Tab :: Agent Shuffling :: Double Standing Gain
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 323	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:03:27 - [19] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. rant Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? Why should a lack of capability on their side determine what players are allowed to do to them? You aren't entitled to many things in EVE, but one of the things you are entitled to is the right to use game mechanics in any way you please. It's the spirit of the game. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 978	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:06:32 - [20] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Bob Maths wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Ix Method wrote: Be curious to know why you think people are entitled to make unlimited, risk-free isk in highsec? Aven Yassavi wrote: Isk in high sec should be easy yes but it should be way less so if you want to make money you have to go to low/null/wh space. rant Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? Why should a lack of capability on their side determine what players are allowed to do to them? You aren't entitled to many things in EVE, but one of the things you are entitled to is the right to use game mechanics in any way you please. It's the spirit of the game. The only thing that an Eve subscription entitles a player to do is train skills and play the game. Everything else is at the players and every other players discretion. That's what makes Eve such a good game.
Ix Method Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery 419	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:12:25 - [21] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? Because the game supposedly has a meaningful economy. Because their is no lack of capability on their side, simply a lack of effort or inclination. But really, because sandbox. Risk-free paradise is not sandbox. If you want a single player sandbox you're playing the wrong game. That's not 'play my way or you're doing it wrong' but simply the nature of an MMO sandbox - you can do whatever you want and so can everyone else. Saying sandbox once more for luck. Travelling at the speed of love.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 238	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:23:05 - [22] - Quote Aven Yassavi wrote: Because Eve loses a lot players! ...and leave behind a group of patient and mature players...
Zimmer Jones Aliastra Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:26:56 - [23] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Bob Maths wrote: Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? Because the game supposedly has a meaningful economy. Because their is no lack of capability on their side, simply a lack of effort or inclination. But really, because sandbox. Risk-free paradise is not sandbox. If you want a single player sandbox you're playing the wrong game. That's not 'play my way or you're doing it wrong' but simply the nature of an MMO sandbox - you can do whatever you want and so can everyone else. Saying sandbox once more for luck. really just wanted to quote bob, but the excellent use of sandbox gave me no choice but to quote Ix's post. Eve mimics a real economy very well. IRL people that work harder, work smarter, and work around the problems are the people that get ahead. oh theres more, like opportunism, nepotism and quite a lot of speculation, but like any war based economy, EvE really works by having losers and substantial losses. It does not favor the unprepared, and people good at planning contingencies can at least mitigate their losses, if not avoid them. Why should you be entitled to dress yourself and tie your shoes when there are people that don't want to do the same? Who is it that looks the fool? Why do fools enjoy being fools? At least sandbox lets fools be fools, or not, and they should be thankful for the choice.
Rayzilla Zaraki Tandokuno 282	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:30:44 - [24] - Quote Aven Yassavi wrote: Why is EvE still such a small game compared to WoW? Because Eve loses a lot players! That is a simple answer on that question but here comes why: There are 3 reasons why I think people leaving EvE 1. Eve looks very complex in the beginning and hard to understand. They don't really know how to find help or don't want to read every part of the tutorial. So how about a Video tutorial? 2. High sec is way unsafer then low/null/wh space Just to give you guys an example I know a lot people who live in null sec space or low sec who lost WAY more isk wise in high sec then in the space they live. How is that even possible? A space which is made for beginners which is the most dangerous space? There should only be 2 reasons for pvp in high sec and that is wars or duals. 3. This point is connected to 2. Noobs joining eve with there friends. They found a corp to play together and then they get war dec'd the next day. Wars are used to make easy noob kills and such. Wars in my opinion should be way diffrent because when youhate someone you go to low/null/wh space find him and kill him. If you really HATE him you war dec him so you can kill him even in high sec but that should cost you a big price because if you pay that high price to kill him you really hate him and want his death. So the money to war dec someone should be calculated by this: 1.000.000.000+(((Members of the war decing corp)x50.000.000))/(Members of the corp beeing war dec'd-10) = 1 Month of war decing That helps that large corps does not war dec small corps so often. In this way corps under 10 peoplecan not be war dec'd Example: War decing corp has 100 Members. Corp beeing war dec'd got 30 1.000.000.000+((100*50.000.000)/(20)= 1.250.000.000 isk I still think this is a bit small for war decing someone but I hope it will help to keep the game alive because more and more experianced player leave the game just because of number 2 and 3. You guys doing a lot to find new player but you should care more about to hold them in the game. Fly safe! I would love to see feed back and what other people think about this. Your post does nothing to answer the question posted by your own topic. Stealth "Eve is Dying!!!!!!!one!!1" thread. Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 979	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:39:21 - [25] - Quote Zimmer Jones wrote: ... Why should you be entitled to dress yourself and tie your shoes when there are people that don't want to do the same? Who is it that looks the fool? Why do fools enjoy being fools? At least sandbox lets fools be fools, or not, and they should be thankful for the choice. Never underestimate a fool, remember that nothing yet exists that is totally fool-proof...
Cardano Firesnake Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation 171	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:57:48 - [26] - Quote To me a good game is a game that is easy to learn but difficult to master. But: Tracking, signature radius, explosion velocity, scan resolution, sensor strengh, hitpoints, resistances, Powergrid, CPU, drone bay, special capacities of each ship, Capacitor recharge, all these things you must understand to just begin to play the game!!! And then modules, their caracteristics, the way they affect the caracteristics of your ship, the skills and the way they affect your ship and the modules... Having a basic fit for each ship would really help new players. With the experience they will learn to modify this basic fit to be more adapted of their purposes. It is quite logic to that engineers that created these ship had a basic pupose for it with a basic fitting. But to me the real problem that could make Eve less interestening is the fact that the sandbox could be stuck as it is now. Big coalitions do not have any reason to move or to fight as they amass enormous wealth where they are. I think that it is time to introduce chaos to force the move. Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all.
Kestral Anneto Umbra-Domini SpaceMonkey's Alliance 53	Posted - 2015.02.25 16:11:14 - [27] - Quote The problem is that the gaming community as a whole has been dumbed down to the level of mouth breathing morons, and they expect to be catered to in EvE. Quote: Tracking, signature radius, explosion velocity, scan resolution, sensor strengh, hitpoints, resistances, Powergrid, CPU, drone bay, special capacities of each ship, Capacitor recharge, all these things you must understand to just begin to play the game!!! This is exactly my point, oh the humanity of a game expecting you to LEARN. I say make it more complex, lets get rid of idiots that want to make high sec 'safe' or the ones that demand that the entire community bend to THEIR playstyle.
Antillie Sa'Kan KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 928	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:19:31 - [28] - Quote Aven Yassavi wrote: Why EvE will be a game of noobs in 10 years: Why is EvE still such a small game compared to WoW? Because Eve loses a lot players! If this was true then EVE would already be a game full of nothing but noobs. Since it is not then there is clearly something wrong with your premise. EVE is not designed to appeal to a large audience the way that WOW is. And that is a good thing. Because if it was WOW would have crushed it long ago. EVE is not the Walmart of the MMO world, it is the geeky comic book store down the street. If it tried to compete with Walmart then it would loose its loyal geeky customers and Walmart would destroy it in the ensuing competition for the money of the masses who like Walmart.
Iain Cariaba 1082	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:20:37 - [29] - Quote Bob Maths wrote: Again, why should you be entitled to ruin other peoples fun and frustrate them because of a lack of capability on their side? I'm not entitled to ruin your day. I fully expect you to put up a fight to keep me from ruining your day. The fact that you don't want to put up a fight is not my problem, after all, it's not my day I'm ruining. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. "This reminds me - I must complain to my local butcher about him not catering to vegitarians." - admiral root responding to someone whining about too much PvP in Eve Online.
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 419	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:31:42 - [30] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: Quote: Tracking, signature radius, explosion velocity, scan resolution, sensor strengh, hitpoints, resistances, Powergrid, CPU, drone bay, special capacities of each ship, Capacitor recharge, all these things you must understand to just begin to play the game!!! This is exactly my point, oh the humanity of a game expecting you to LEARN. I say make it more complex, lets get rid of idiots that want to make high sec 'safe' or the ones that demand that the entire community bend to THEIR playstyle. And I'm sure you and the five other people who stay would be delighted with your own utter genius. Eve's learning curve is not a feature, it's a somewhat-necessary evil that allows the game to function as envisioned. Suggesting ramping that up just so you can feel superior to 'idiots' who can't/won't bother wouldn't improve the game. What's the point of a complex metagame if there's no grunts left to act it out? Travelling at the speed of love.
Nano Sito 20	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:32:09 - [31] - Quote "eve is overcrowded".... what a ridiculous statement. Are you counting Alts when doing your math? Do you want space to grow tenfold so that isboxers go unnoticed? With Plex at ~800mm, gotta keep your bot mining fleet active, right?
Kestral Anneto Umbra-Domini SpaceMonkey's Alliance 53	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:38:30 - [32] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Kestral Anneto wrote: Quote: Tracking, signature radius, explosion velocity, scan resolution, sensor strengh, hitpoints, resistances, Powergrid, CPU, drone bay, special capacities of each ship, Capacitor recharge, all these things you must understand to just begin to play the game!!! This is exactly my point, oh the humanity of a game expecting you to LEARN. I say make it more complex, lets get rid of idiots that want to make high sec 'safe' or the ones that demand that the entire community bend to THEIR playstyle. And I'm sure you and the five other people who stay would be delighted with your own utter genius. Eve's learning curve is not a feature, it's a somewhat-necessary evil that allows the game to function as envisioned. Suggesting ramping that up just so you can feel superior to 'idiots' who can't/won't bother wouldn't improve the game. What's the point of a complex metagame if there's no grunts left to act it out? I would rather the game not be full of CoD/WoW players, as someone said before, you really dont want tthat crowd in EvE. If complexity is the guard against them, then so be it, but dumbing down the game for the sake of dumbing it down, or wrapping every player in cotton wool to make them feel like they are safe, isn't the way forward.

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