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ChuMak
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:28:00 -
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Subj say it all. It would be nice to have kamikadze oriented ships.
1. No Hi slots
2. Projectile type class - your ship aim on that pesky BS, red button on, and on 160km/s you pierce the bastard. Thats a special mode, not an mwd, so you can use it only one time and die right after piercing or missing the target.
3. Explosive type - approach, stick(using magnetic stickers :) ), explode.
4. EW type - you raise those damn graphite-carbon rods from your old reactor, and all electronics in 100km radius goes in off state, after your explosion.
5. Much more Ideas awaiting.
7. Of course, kamikadze is kamikadze - you die and wake up in your clone.
PS Actually, if not kamikadze ship type, that how about module which makes certain class of modules go to OFF state in the given radius ? I really like that idea :)
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Benglada
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:30:00 -
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How did you manage to spell kamikazi wrong?
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Metacannibal
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
How did you manage to spell kamikazi wrong?
exactly
"Kamikaze (Japanese: 神風; kami = god, spirit; kaze = wind"
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Benglada
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Benglada on 11/10/2006 04:34:57
Edited by: Benglada on 11/10/2006 04:34:48
I think i got owned 
EDIT:But to be fair, All our english text books referenced it as kamikazi...blame teh guvernment!
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ChuMak
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:37:00 -
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Its not relevant hence nor you nor me can speak'n'write Japanese here.
Same way some sources write "Zen" other prefer "Dzen".
Some write "Ki" other write "Chi" third write "Tsi".
Drawbacks of transliteration.
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Vaslav Tchitcherine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Vaslav Tchitcherine on 11/10/2006 04:48:22
Originally by: ChuMak
Its not relevant hence nor you nor me can speak'n'write Japanese here.
Who says?
Originally by: ChuMak
Same way some sources write "Zen" other prefer "Dzen".
Some write "Ki" other write "Chi" third write "Tsi".
Zen is correct. Dzen is just plain wrong.
Ki is Japanese. Chi is Pinyin Chinese. Tsi looks like Wade-Giles, which is deprecated for use with Mandarin.
I have no idea why I feel like pointing these things out, when you probably either already know or don't care.
v.
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Shintoko Akahoshi for President
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ChuMak
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Posted - 2006.10.11 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine
Edited by: Vaslav Tchitcherine on 11/10/2006 04:48:22
Originally by: ChuMak
Its not relevant hence nor you nor me can speak'n'write Japanese here.
Who says?
Originally by: ChuMak
Same way some sources write "Zen" other prefer "Dzen".
Some write "Ki" other write "Chi" third write "Tsi".
Zen is correct. Dzen is just plain wrong.
Ki is Japanese. Chi is Pinyin Chinese. Tsi looks like Wade-Giles, which is deprecated for use with Mandarin.
I have no idea why I feel like pointing these things out, when you probably either already know or don't care.
With all my respect,however, I should say you are missing the point here.
You cant never EVER express pronunciation of foreign language with alphabet of other.
I can give you simple Russian word, which you with all efforts never can write exactly correct using English alphabet no matter how hard you try. Even if you manage to write it say, 80% close to original - different people will read it in different way. And in most case it will be rubbish for genuine ear.
Same stuff here - its absolutely not reasonable to argue about what is more correct "Chi" or "Tsi" considering overcomplicated fonetics of Mandarin, even I dont touch here Cantonese. Coz you never will be close nor with Ki nor with Chi nor with Tsi to original sound. English alphabet is simply millions AUs out of way to reproduce it. And there are Vietnamese which is ten times more complicated and unbelievable Oceania tribe languages which include tongue clicks and whistles.
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Zekarus
Caldari
In Excess Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.10.11 05:39:00 -
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Just like Tuna and Tsuna in Japanese, but that's not the point here, is it? o.o;
I always liked the idea of some sort of cruise-missile-type shuttle, and thought, "If you get that jumpgate to aim at a Titan or something, and jump in a shuttle, would it be insta-shuttle?"
This is better than what I thought of, methinks.
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Vaslav Tchitcherine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.11 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vaslav Tchitcherine on 11/10/2006 05:42:48
Originally by: ChuMak
With all my respect,however, I should say you are missing the point here.
It's very likely. 
Originally by: ChuMak
You cant never EVER express pronunciation of foreign language with alphabet of other.
The problem with representation is that inexperienced readers try to pronounce the word as if it were a written English word; this is not in fact the goal of romanisation.
I have never studied Russian, so I won't use that as an example. Looking at Chinese, for example, we can compare the two chief 20th Century romanisation systems of Mandarin. Wade-Giles, the older system, attempted to romanize phonetically, and is pretty much a dismal failure, ending up with horrific example like "Tz'u-Hsi", which no native Enlgish speaker would have any idea how to pronounce anyway. In addition, phonetic transcriptions are dependant on the phonics of the transcriber, and that road leads to different spellings depending on whether, for example, the writer is British or American, let alone French, Spanish, or even Cantonese!
An example of a mdoern technique in Pinyin, which transcribed the same name as "Cixi". In this case the attempt to have the standard English reading of the spelling mimic the Chinese pronounciation is (more or less) abandoned, in favour of a clear and consistent system that must be learned. An alphabet is, after all, simply a symbol set, and the same symbols can represent many different things. Most European languages use the Roman alphabet, and yet pronounce the letters and letter-groups very differently.
I'm rambling, becuase I'm at work and the boss is away. Three cheers for slackerdom!
Anyway, the point (if there is one) is that the intent of romanisation is to represent the sounds of another language using the symbols of the Roman alphabet, NOT to phonetically transcribe the sounds of that language. In some cases (such as Japanese) that is easily done; in others (such as !Xhosa) it is not, and so should be de-emphasised in favour of clarity.
v.
"I promise, if elected, to order the creation of a special Wisdom From Archie series of liquor..."
Shintoko Akahoshi for President
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Ethion
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.11 05:52:00 -
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lol I love how no one even cares bout that topic at hand
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.10.11 05:54:00 -
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I vote this thread be made a sticky as it is a prime example of how to derail a thread and should be used as an example as to what not to do.
Anyone second?
P.S. You're both wrong, it's obviously spelled Kamiekadzae which gives 100% correct pronounciation.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ethion
lol I love how no one even cares bout that topic at hand
yeah :(
I love the idea though! imagine the fleet fights! where FCs have to either choose to shoot down the primaries, or let some BS to take out the kamikaze pilots :)
Even in small engagement, the kamikaze should have enough HP to be a threat if its close enough to BS.
PS: Stop pesking about the speellin, and reply to OP you lemmings!
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Marjatta Kelohonka
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:19:00 -
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Pearl of derailing.. 
I really hope that this ship of yours would be quite skill dependant because otherwise alts would be running those projectiles and wtfpwning bigger ships with ease.
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Hayabusa Fury
Caldari
Wu-Tang Financial
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:28:00 -
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1st: I would just like to see a self destruct button that causes a huge explosion based off reactor size. A shuttle self destructing might hurt a frig, but not scratch a BS. A BS self destructing will kill/damage a lot.
Make it a option that can't be activated until you are in structure or something...
2nd: The "Romanji" alphebet used to write japanese words with english letters is not specific to spelling. It is used more for phonetic sounds rather that actual spelling.
Some parts of Japan replace the "F"s with "H"s. (Ex: "Mt. Fuji" vs. "Mt. Huji"). So even the native dialect spells and pronounces words slightly different. Reminds me of English words like "often". Some say "off-en" some say "off-ten", both are technically correct.
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Katrina Coreli
Vindication Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:54:00 -
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And how about if you self destructed in that fashion no modules would survive at all?
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Vaslav Tchitcherine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.11 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Vaslav Tchitcherine on 11/10/2006 07:27:24
In an effort to redeem myself:
Eve needs some more AOE effects, I think. Doomsday weapons are overkill, but smartbombs are too specialized. It's too bad torps were nerfed -- I'm not sure what the exact issue with that was.
The self-destruct proposal is a good one, but the countdown would have to be reduced (I'm not sure why it's so long to begin with). You'd have to keep in mind the griefing potential in highsec, though. It's not like CONCORD is an issue.
v.
"I promise, if elected, to order the creation of a special Wisdom From Archie series of liquor..."
Shintoko Akahoshi for President
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ChuMak
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Posted - 2006.10.11 08:03:00 -
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Why self-destruct ? where ?
No, please dont touch that self-destruct button on conventional ships.
I am talking about totally separate, specialized class of ships, which are created with narrow specialization for suicidal tactics of battle engagement.
Treat it like can filled with explosives up to the eyeballs. Or solid-fuel-boosted spike.
Or whatever else. It designed to work just one time and produce HUGE damage if used right.
Pilot wake up in the clone after. No modules or whatever else remain.
Skill-based access. Make it long. And not for trials. for example Divine Devotion lvl3 give ability to operate cruiser-size kami-ships.
Fleet-battles would be much more interesting with these - just imaging the warping in "kiss of dragon" squadron of 30 chosen-ones which die all in 20 seconds, devastating that pesky dred which is diggin structure of allied POS.
there are also can be Psycho-Recovery Timer - say, durin' 20 hours after you cant use another one kami-ship, so nobody can chain 'em.
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Hayabusa Fury
Caldari
Wu-Tang Financial
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.11 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hayabusa Fury on 11/10/2006 08:07:12
If you can't activate the special self destruct until you are in structure and you need have it blow before your opponent kills you. Then you should not have griefing. If your opponent wants your modules then he needs to finish the job quickly once he has you in structure. Otherwise they go boom with your ships core. Plus you add a little damage in the end.
To add to the OP's point, Any ship becomes a kamikaze by structure tanking it and getting close enough to have your enemy inside your blast radius.
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