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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
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Posted - 2015.02.26 04:18:09 -
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Just going with current Hek prices for convenience
Republic Fleet 10MN Microwarpdrive:
10MN Microwarpdrive I (280,000)
128 x "Imperial Navy Major Insignia " (180,000,000)
211 x " Imperial Navy Colonel Insignia I " (25,531,000)
205,811,000 total cost
Republic Fleet 100MN Microwarpdrive:
100MN Microwarpdrive I (1,000,000)
7 x "Imperial Navy Colonel Insignia I " (847,000)
21 x "Imperial Navy General Insignia I " (538,000)
33 x "Imperial Navy General Insignia II " (33,000,000)
35,130,000 total cost
.... wait why is the 100mn version cheaper than the 10mn version? (A: Imperial Navy Major Insignia is worth 1.4 million each, and the 10mn verison requires 128 of them!)
Also, check this out
Gistum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive - on the market for 190,000,000 right now. (best performance you can get, still cheaper than the republic fleet version)
Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive - on the market for 135,000,000 .... much more expensive than the republic fleet version. Now THAT makes sense.
Why would I ever pay 128 Major Insignia for a 10mn microwarp drive when I can buy the best deadspace one for even cheaper?!?! |
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
674
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Posted - 2015.02.26 07:55:17 -
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Supply and demand
RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
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erg cz
Tribal Core
141
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Posted - 2015.02.26 08:30:20 -
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Simple - you get 5 pieces of faction modules for that price (blueprint). Instead of one dead space module. Balanced, IMHO. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
10
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Posted - 2015.02.26 09:11:40 -
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erg cz wrote:Simple - you get 5 pieces of faction modules for that price (blueprint). Instead of one dead space module. Balanced, IMHO.
The prices above are for individual modules, not 5 run blue print copies. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
10
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Posted - 2015.02.26 09:16:53 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Supply and demand
Please elaborate. |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
150
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Posted - 2015.02.26 09:27:28 -
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Supply of DED modules is pretty constant while for LP shop items you decide whether or not to produce them.
On the demand side DED 100mns go on supers and ratting BS, so supply can be short there.
Also look what else you can buy for those specific factiontags instead of gettting a 5 sales per month item. And how many of those tags are being sold on the market and how nice a handful of people have that market cornered. |
Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
131
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Posted - 2015.02.26 11:36:02 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:Supply and demand Please elaborate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand 
Seriously though......
The tags are the major pricing factor on the store items and not the LP.
The supply of many of the tag types, I'd guess, comes from mostly L5 low sec missions and is not particularly high.
EDIT - As already mentioned I think, certain tag types are in huge demand for more useful faction store items. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
10
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:08:49 -
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Shilalasar wrote:Supply of DED modules is pretty constant while for LP shop items you decide whether or not to produce them.
On the demand side DED 100mns go on supers and ratting BS, so supply can be short there.
Also look what else you can buy for those specific factiontags instead of gettting a 5 sales per month item. And how many of those tags are being sold on the market and how nice a handful of people have that market cornered.
I think this is the best answer.
I saw that only one person was selling the tags in Hek. But in general, the prices around the area don't fluctuate that much anyways. So I'm guessing between 1 - 1.4 mil is actually the market value for those tags. Which goes to your other point; the tags are likely used in some high demand items. The 10MN microwarp drive itself is probably not what the tags are used for. I'll look around and see what else those tags are for.
I'm not actually looking to use my tags and LP to cash out on the market. I'm looking to actually buy fittings and ships for myself, which is disappointing because the microwarp drive is the single most desired fitting I want to actually spend my tags on. I just can't justify it though when the tags in the "recipe" are equally valued as the single best 10MN Deadspace MWD that I can get. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
141
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:20:23 -
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Boozbaz wrote:erg cz wrote:Simple - you get 5 pieces of faction modules for that price (blueprint). Instead of one dead space module. Balanced, IMHO. The prices above are for individual modules, not 5 run blue print copies.
Why buy individual modules? This: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ can help you out to understand the difference between price of individual modules and BPC. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:27:14 -
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Boozbaz wrote:.... wait why is the 100mn version cheaper than the 10mn version? (A: Imperial Navy Major Insignia is worth 1.4 million each, and the 10mn verison requires 128 of them!)
Think about it. The 100MN module requires that 54 times, somebody went through the trouble of looting relatively high-value "general" tags because they though it was worth the effort for the money. The 10MN module, by contrast, requires 339 lootings of relatively low-value tags. You are depending on more people doing more work for less pay per effort. So obviously it happens less, and whoever goes through the trouble of actually collecting these tags is going to sell them for as much as they can get.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
2803
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Posted - 2015.02.26 16:39:35 -
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I suggest you boycott purchasing 10MN MWD's until those damn NPCs drop their demands to a more reasonable level. Greedy bastards.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
435
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:14:59 -
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Figuring out the tag nonsense on the LP Store has always been more trouble than its worth for me. Too many different Ranks, then they add levels of ranks to that. Some tags drop in FW Missions, some drop in FW Plex. It doesn't seem like there's any rhyme or reason behind the number or levels of tags required for different items.
CCP could really improve the accessibility of the LP store / market by streamlining and eliminating some of the chaff.
What they need to do is split everything into four categories, with four ranks of tags.
Here's my rough draft:
Novice Items: In the 10,000 LP range and below. Buy with one type of tag found only in Novice plexes and Lvl 1 FW Missions
Small Items: In the 10,000 - 50,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Small plexes and Lvl 2 FW Missions.
Medium Items: In the 50,000 - 100,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Medium plexes and Lvl 3 FW Missions.
Large Items: In the 100,000 LP range and above. Buy with one type of tag found only in Large plexes and Lvl 4 FW Missions. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
10
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:24:09 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Figuring out the tag nonsense on the LP Store has always been more trouble than its worth for me. Too many different Ranks, then they add levels of ranks to that. Some tags drop in FW Missions, some drop in FW Plex. It doesn't seem like there's any rhyme or reason behind the number or levels of tags required for different items.
CCP could really improve the accessibility of the LP store / market by streamlining and eliminating some of the chaff.
What they need to do is split everything into four categories, with four ranks of tags.
Here's my rough draft:
Novice Items: In the 10,000 LP range and below. Buy with one type of tag found only in Novice plexes and Lvl 1 FW Missions
Small Items: In the 10,000 - 50,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Small plexes and Lvl 2 FW Missions.
Medium Items: In the 50,000 - 100,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Medium plexes and Lvl 3 FW Missions.
Large Items: In the 100,000 LP range and above. Buy with one type of tag found only in Large plexes and Lvl 4 FW Missions.
This is a great idea.
Where were you when I was voting for CSM? |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
436
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Posted - 2015.02.26 23:01:44 -
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Hah, no CSM for me thanks. And ya, I'd definitely make sure different value items require different numbers of tags. |
exiik Shardani
Terpene Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.02.27 08:14:03 -
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many things in LP shops are totally out.
some faction modules needs re-balance as well as all LP shops prices need re-balance too |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:48:53 -
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A lot of the supply-and-demand issue in those costs is how those particular items fit in the current meta.
Gameplay currently favors cruisers, which use the 10mn prop mods. These move in volume, sales are guaranteed, prices are high. The 100mn, meanwhile, is meant for battleship-size vessels, who don't see nearly as much usage currently. Volume, movement, and therefore prices, are lower. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
218
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:15:08 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Figuring out the tag nonsense on the LP Store has always been more trouble than its worth for me. Too many different Ranks, then they add levels of ranks to that. Some tags drop in FW Missions, some drop in FW Plex. It doesn't seem like there's any rhyme or reason behind the number or levels of tags required for different items.
CCP could really improve the accessibility of the LP store / market by streamlining and eliminating some of the chaff.
What they need to do is split everything into four categories, with four ranks of tags.
Here's my rough draft:
Novice Items: In the 10,000 LP range and below. Buy with one type of tag found only in Novice plexes and Lvl 1 FW Missions
Small Items: In the 10,000 - 50,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Small plexes and Lvl 2 FW Missions.
Medium Items: In the 50,000 - 100,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Medium plexes and Lvl 3 FW Missions.
Large Items: In the 100,000 LP range and above. Buy with one type of tag found only in Large plexes and Lvl 4 FW Missions.
I like this but would simple it even farther. Tags are turned in for points. (Insert name here) and are spent just like LP points along with LPs
A pvt 1 is 1 point. A commander gen whatever is 500 points and everything in between .
So your 10mn MWD might need the LPs plus 25k tag points while the 100mn MWD would need 75k tag points
It gives a base price to all tags and balances it out....over time it would come down to each tag point would be worth x amount of tisk moving for each faction on supply and demand for that factions items |
Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:26:37 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Figuring out the tag nonsense on the LP Store has always been more trouble than its worth for me. Too many different Ranks, then they add levels of ranks to that. Some tags drop in FW Missions, some drop in FW Plex. It doesn't seem like there's any rhyme or reason behind the number or levels of tags required for different items.
CCP could really improve the accessibility of the LP store / market by streamlining and eliminating some of the chaff.
What they need to do is split everything into four categories, with four ranks of tags.
Here's my rough draft:
Novice Items: In the 10,000 LP range and below. Buy with one type of tag found only in Novice plexes and Lvl 1 FW Missions
Small Items: In the 10,000 - 50,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Small plexes and Lvl 2 FW Missions.
Medium Items: In the 50,000 - 100,000 LP range. Buy with one type of tag found only in Medium plexes and Lvl 3 FW Missions.
Large Items: In the 100,000 LP range and above. Buy with one type of tag found only in Large plexes and Lvl 4 FW Missions. I like this but would simple it even farther. Tags are turned in for points. (Insert name here) and are spent just like LP points along with LPs A pvt 1 is 1 point. A commander gen whatever is 500 points and everything in between . So your 10mn MWD might need the LPs plus 25k tag points while the 100mn MWD would need 75k tag points It gives a base price to all tags and balances it out....over time it would come down to each tag point would be worth x amount of tisk moving for each faction on supply and demand for that factions items
Like the idea on first glance
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
551
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:43:46 -
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The best place to get these tags are in a FW mission. However, no one in their right mind is going to farm those tags.
2nd best place to get those tags is hisec mission running. Specifically farming those faction missions and harvesting the tags. Very time consuming and not to mention running those missions kills your faction standing towards that faction.
Need to reduce the number of tags needed or just do away with the negative standings impact for doing those hisec missions. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:05:45 -
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The relative rarity of the tags is the driver here. Unless it's changed since I last checked (which was, admittedly, several years back), the tags for the 10MN units are more likely to drop in level 3 missions, while the tags for 100MN units are more likely to drop in level 4 missions. Since far more people do level 4s than level 3s, there are far more tags from level 4s on the market. With far more supply on the market, prices drop a lot.
I use Republic Fleet ABs on some of my battleship fits, and I've noticed the same discrepancy there with their 100MN and 10MN units as well.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Desudes
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
432
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:21:25 -
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It doesn't help supply that the sources for tags hurts faction standings, so few people actually run the missions that drop tags. It is one of those legacy systems that will hopefully get revamped one day. To my knowledge, hasn't been changed at least since 05 when I started playing :/
The best advice I can give is have an alt with trade skills and use buy orders.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
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Posted - 2015.03.10 09:46:31 -
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I'd have to agree that the cost of these tags is likely due to them not being farmed much, and that is likely because they drop on l3 missions (can't confirm) I do know that they drop in large fw plexes but at a very low rate. I just wish you didn't need so many of them for the stuff in the long store! |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
505
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:43:49 -
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People run FW missions all the time. They just don't often clear them or bother to loot the tags.
FW mission content has been laughably broken for ages, but CCP hasn't been able to think up a good fix and they've had their sights set on fixing Sov in Nullsec. Fair enough.
Once they've got the new Sov system in place and dealt with the initial implementation problems they're sure to face we need to return pressure to fixing FW missions. I'm fine with they staying moderately "farmable" as a good source of income for people, but the whole Stealth Bomber Lvl4 ISK isk fountain thing for Caldari and Minmatar needs to go.
Make them run Lvl 4s in HACs / T3s like the real men of Gallente militia. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
219
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Posted - 2015.03.12 10:57:02 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:People run FW missions all the time. They just don't often clear them or bother to loot the tags.
FW mission content has been laughably broken for ages, but CCP hasn't been able to think up a good fix and they've had their sights set on fixing Sov in Nullsec. Fair enough.
Once they've got the new Sov system in place and dealt with the initial implementation problems they're sure to face we need to return pressure to fixing FW missions. I'm fine with they staying moderately "farmable" as a good source of income for people, but the whole Stealth Bomber Lvl4 ISK isk fountain thing for Caldari and Minmatar needs to go.
Make them run Lvl 4s in HACs / T3s like the real men of Gallente militia.
You can run L4s in a bomber as Amarr too :-P
only Gal are broked on that one |
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