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Cabriel Khan The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.26 12:15:55 - [1] - Quote Hello everyone! I have none/very little experience about complex running but I have serious greed doing ISK. I really dont have a clue what kind of ship/tank I need to clear those 6/10 --> I searched forums and many sites, hoping to find good explanations and fits but the problem was I found too many fits and argument. So finally I toke one fit which looked good (in my eyes) and changed some modules if there was something I couldn't use. Last night I toke my ship and went to 0.0 to have a look. I use different fit to actually travel 0.0 and I have Interceptor alt checking route for me. Just using Mobile Depot and changing fit after I find something to do. I have analyzers with me too. Ended up getting this kind of fit. [Ishtar, Plex runner] Drone Link Augmentor II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Co-Processor II Capacitor Flux Coil II 3x Drone Damage Amplifier II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II 5x Wasp II 5x Vespa EC-600 5x Wasp II 5x Vespa II 5x Hornet II [Statistics - Cabriel Khan] Effective HP: 88,897 (Eve: 11,997) Tank Ability: 1,833.50 DPS (Guristas) Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%) Shield Resists - EM: 30.00%, Ex: 65.00%, Ki: 96.11%, Th: 80.78% Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50% Capacitor (Stable at 46.97%) Capacitor (Lasts 1m 10s) (Remote repper on) Volley Damage: 2,812.87 DPS: 703.22 ____________________ If I change AIF for 2nd LSE Effective HP: 110,958 (Eve: 13,077) Tank Ability: 1,536.89 DPS Capacitor (Stable at 56.65%) Capacitor (Lasts 1m 10s) (Remote repper on) Which you think is safer more Effective HP or tank ability? I did my very first 0.0 DED site yesterday called Pith's Penal Complex 8/10. It was super easy with this fit, only toke some time to actually clear everything. I immediately knew that I had huge? overtank but I really wanted to be sure not to loose my ship when learning. And I checked Dscan every 3 sec anytime there was people in system. 1. Id like to know how much tank I really need to clear all the from 6/10 to 10/10Gurista complexes. (just to avoid overtanking and have room for better modules. 2. Is there maybe room for AB or something ? I didn't find that it's needed at all because I just slow boated until I got everything killed. 3. If 8/10 was easy will 6- and 7/10 easier and what about 10/10 Maze? 4. I read that Maze initial room is quite heavy to tank is it better to use More effective HP there and less tank? Troll me as much as you like I dont care, I just wanna learn!
Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 105	Posted - 2015.02.26 13:34:26 - [2] - Quote Quote: 2. Is there maybe room for AB or something ? I didn't find that it's needed at all because I just slow boated until I got everything killed. An Afterburner would help you mitigate a lot of damage espacially from the battlships. Their turrents have a hard time tracking you and their missiles will hit for lower damage, if you are moving faster and keep your transversal up. If you had no problems in a 8/10, then everything below that should be easy, too. Can't speak for the Maze though.
Cabriel Khan The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.26 15:06:12 - [3] - Quote Any suggestions how to change my fit to be more optimized for what im doing ?
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 147	Posted - 2015.02.26 16:04:58 - [4] - Quote Remove the LSE for an AB and replace the capacitor flux coil for a fourth DDA for starters. Get some sentry drones too, wardens and gardes. Personally, I would remove the AIF for a specific hardener as the specifics use less cap. Also just a personal flavor thing, but I would downgrade the SB and SBA to something less blingy just in case. I run most guristas' DED sites with a ~700-800 DPS tank and it's more than enough except for 10/10.
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 147	Posted - 2015.02.26 16:09:54 - [5] - Quote Another option, when going with sentries drop the AIF and SBA for omnidirectional tracking enhancers. That is in addition to replacing the LSE with an AB and the Flux cool for another DDA.
Cabriel Khan The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.26 16:12:29 - [6] - Quote Thanks for the reply Aerie! So if 800ish tank is enough for anything else than 10/10 I have some room to do those changes you suggested. What about that Maze then ? Any idea how big tank is needed there for that initial room spank?
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 147	Posted - 2015.02.26 16:20:35 - [7] - Quote One of the biggest problems with the maze and fleet staging point for solo work is there are stations that need to be destroyed. It can just be slow and tedious solo. For the maze the Darwin torpedo does, and I haven't run one in a while, 100k kinetic damage (used to be EM) and the station webs from a good distance out in addition to a bunch of webbing towers meaning you cant speed tank it very well.
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 216	Posted - 2015.02.26 16:44:13 - [8] - Quote think you will struggle with 8/10's and 10/10's solo in an ishtar EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 147	Posted - 2015.02.26 17:10:38 - [9] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: think you will struggle with 8/10's and 10/10's solo in an ishtar, serpentis 8/10's there are just too much dps in the last room to tank in an ishtar, only ever run 1 10/10 guristas and that was with 3 ishtars and logi Gurista 8/10 isn't hard and is totally soloable in an ishtar. 10/10 requires aspecialized fit.
Cabriel Khan The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.26 17:42:47 - [10] - Quote Yeah I did my first ever 0.0 plex guristas 8/10 with my current fit and it was easy. Now I made changes as Aerie suggested. Haven't done field test yet but here are the results what I got from fitting tool. So first I removed LSE for AB and CO-processor for 4th DDA. Didn't have change to remove flux coil with my current skills. I didn't manage to get it stable without it. I didn't want to change my shiny rigs so I just ended keeping that flux coil. I can later train afterburner V, Fuel Conservation V and Shield Compensation V to make it more stable without coil. Results were nice! My old fit cost around 652m (because of huge overtank which I kinda knew and that's why I started this thread). Now the new fit is 284m or just 239m with normal probe launcher and probes! It looks like this: [Ishtar, Improved Plex Runner] Drone Link Augmentor II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field 10MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field 'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier Medium Shield Booster II Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil 4x Drone Damage Amplifier II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II 5x Wasp II 5x Vespa EC-600 5x Wasp II 5x Vespa II 5x Hornet II [Statistics - Cabriel Khan] Effective HP: 41,554 (Eve: 6,777) Tank Ability: 828.80 DPS Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%) Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 95.30%, Th: 87.48% Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50% Capacitor (Stable at 36.54%) Volley Damage: 2,995.93 DPS: 748.98 So 1,6 CPU left, that's why I use Dread Guristas hardeners and meta amplifier (dont have skills to use T2 Amplifier) and flux coil. DPS went up ~45 and tank went down about 1k to 800ish ;) After trying to add those Omnidirectional Tracking link's for sentry fit I couldn't get 2 in without affecting tank too much. Ended up getting only one which looks like this. [Ishtar, Plex runner sentrys] Drone Link Augmentor II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field 10MN Afterburner II Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Medium Shield Booster II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II 'Basic' Capacitor Flux Coil 4x Drone Damage Amplifier II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II 5x Vespa EC-600 5x Garde II 5x Warden II 5x Hornet II 5x Vespa II [Statistics - Cabriel Khan] Effective HP: 43,033 (Eve: 6,777) Tank Ability: 689.30 DPS Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%) Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 95.54%, Th: 88.10% Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 83.75%, Th: 67.50% Capacitor (Stable at 29.88%) Volley Damage: 2,330.17 DPS: 582.54 Again I needed to change some modules for this and ended having 2 CPU left :) DPS looks smaller in paper, not sure if it's real tho ? Garde gives 734 (14 lower than WASP II) and warden II only 582 but it has huge range. Link might raise my real dps too because better optimal etc. And of course my tank is little better with my shiny AB now :) Sometimes frigates web me but those are fastly killed. How these look now ?

Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1037	Posted - 2015.02.26 18:19:22 - [11] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SENBdTFhC2Y Ishtar doing stupid things in pve.


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