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SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:40:00 - [1] This is what I was thinking of using for cheap incursions into low sec, do you think it's any good( haven't had a chance to test it): 4 T2 dual 180mm 2 assault launchers with EM/Exp missiles depending on target T2 AB medium cap booster( to make up for no nos) webber or scrambler T2 MAR EANM T2 gyro I can tank amarr ships pretty well but don't know about others. My main goal is to do dmg and run away if need be.
korrey Level Five	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:45:00 - [2] At least fit an MWD. Speed is your game, damage is a bonus. But yeah, good luck trying to run away with an AB.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 19:50:19 If you put 3 nanofibers in the low slots, you can go about 475 m/s without the AB and avoid most of the damage. You orbit outside web range and use barrage to hit the target. Dont armor tank it... if you start to take armor damage, you will probably go pop after a few seconds anyway. Dont tank this ship - avoid the damage. Fit a MWD and you'll hit 3k m/s. Good for escaping and catching. Play around with it, lose alot of them and you'll learn. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:51:00 - [4] I don't have the skill for MWD, and the loss of cap and increased sig would cancel out the speed no? So you think shield tanking is better even though it has worse resist...? So T2 medium SB, booster, webber/scrammer?
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:53:00 - [5] Edited by: MacDuncan on 11/10/2006 19:56:37 4 180's duallies T2 1 med. NOS, 1 Assault L shield Extender, Scram, MWD 3 Nanos ...and don't forget 1 Warrior... Edit: Clickied too fast... - you don't need a web cause you're faster than any other cruiser & the tracking of the 180s is decent - train MWD asap...zip in, trash it, zip out...or zip in, say something very rude to yourself and zip out as fast as they realize you were there... --
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 19:50:19 If you put 3 nanofibers in the low slots, you can go about 475 m/s without the AB and avoid most of the damage. You orbit outside web range and use barrage to hit the target. Dont armor tank it... if you start to take armor damage, you will probably go pop after a few seconds anyway. Dont tank this ship - avoid the damage. Fit a MWD and you'll hit 3k m/s. Good for escaping and catching. Play around with it, lose alot of them and you'll learn. How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:56:00 - [7] Originally by: MacDuncan ...and don't forget 1 Warrior... Yeah, 5 m3 drone bay. They must have laughed when they put that in... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.11 20:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 20:03:16 Originally by: Jet Collins How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds? Frigates scare me when im in a stabber without nos. And I dont use a web either, because I feel a large shield extender is more useful. So if a frigate webs my stabber, its difficult to avoid getting killed. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HolographicEntrypoint Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.11 20:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Jet Collins Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 19:50:19 If you put 3 nanofibers in the low slots, you can go about 475 m/s without the AB and avoid most of the damage. You orbit outside web range and use barrage to hit the target. Dont armor tank it... if you start to take armor damage, you will probably go pop after a few seconds anyway. Dont tank this ship - avoid the damage. Fit a MWD and you'll hit 3k m/s. Good for escaping and catching. Play around with it, lose alot of them and you'll learn. How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds? There is no setup to beat frig cruiser bs cap freighter drone station pos.... that setup looks decent for cruiser 1n1. --- ^ Custom Sigs for ISK My custom Sigs Gallery
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:29:00 - [10] You think I'm better off using my wolf instead of a stabber? I have T2 items for my wolf as well but I haven't really used it for pvp.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:36:00 - [11] Originally by: SonShadowCat You think I'm better off using my wolf instead of a stabber? I have T2 items for my wolf as well but I haven't really used it for pvp. T2 frigs are awesome for pvp, so if you have it and can afford to lose it, do it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sirokko Battle Hamsters	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:39:00 - [12] nah, use your stabber to go kill t2 frigs. 4x180, Med Nos, Med Neut MWD, web, 20km scram, small armor rep, 2xNanofibers all t1, way cheaper than any t2 frig, and will be able to catch em and make em completely helpless. use a rupture vs other cruisers
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:41:00 - [13] Just not against thoraxs....me and another AF went against a rax and lost horribly. My fully fit wolf costs only a tiny bit more than the stabber. You think I should use barrage on my wolf and simply orbit outside nos range or fit a tank( don't really need gyros with the dmg bonus) and use EMP?
Sirokko Battle Hamsters	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:43:00 - [14] Originally by: SonShadowCat You think I should use barrage on my wolf and simply orbit outside nos range or fit a tank( don't really need gyros with the dmg bonus) and use EMP? use barrage and stay at about 7-9 km. keep your nos on him, and don't let him get within blaster range if possible. Also fit a good tank though.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:44:00 - [15] I dont fly t2 frigates myself, so I dont really know. Do the small guns have the range with barrage to stay outside web range? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:49:00 - [16] Edited by: SonShadowCat on 12/10/2006 05:53:11 They'd have a falloff of about 10km and opt of 2km which is just enough...
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:52:00 - [17] from seeing my corp mate in a stabber its the ultamit frig killer, he drops the extender fits a web, mwd's to them and they go pop in a sec.
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:55:00 - [18] I would sure hope a wolf would tear a stabber to bits...
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:56:00 - [19] Originally by: SonShadowCat I would sure hope a wolf would tear a stabber to bits... in my experience tech1 cruiser > AF all you need is a little nos the a web and the best a AF can hope to do is run.
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:59:00 - [20] A wolf with barrage can stay out of medium nos range.
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 06:24:00 - [21] Originally by: SonShadowCat A wolf with barrage can stay out of medium nos range. not convinced 2km is enough to keep range. 1 little slip-up and your webbed and dead and e50 diminishin and techII nos will all hit 12km so pretty close to you're optimal
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.12 07:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 20:03:16 Originally by: Jet Collins How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds? Frigates scare me when im in a stabber without nos. And I dont use a web either, because I feel a large shield extender is more useful. So if a frigate webs my stabber, its difficult to avoid getting killed. Wooot....oO No way 2 or even 3 frigs kann kill the cheapo-Vaga-fitting faster than they die! Just a boost w. MWD to keep the transversal low, let loose the ACs (w. Barrage you'll hit up to 20km!) and the assaultlauncher and see them dropping fast. Might get hairy w. some AF like the Retri (0 EM resistence!) but usually not a problem w. T1 frigs --
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 08:08:00 - [23] 4 x 220 II Nos MWD II Warp Dis Shield Extender 3 x Nano KIA EVE Home
Gabby05 Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:43:00 - [24] In my experience the only 2 cruisers iv been able to kill in a stabber was an omen and another stabber, i cant remember the setup but it didnt involve a shield extender (vaga benefits from it cos of its resistances) and theres not that many omens about in low sec either. I like to use rockets as it needs less pg and helps kill the drones whilst u kite and give guaranteed hits on fast orbitting frigs already quite hard to get hits on unless u managed to keep distance and reduce trans.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:09:00 - [25] Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 20:03:16 Originally by: Jet Collins How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds? Frigates scare me when im in a stabber without nos. And I dont use a web either, because I feel a large shield extender is more useful. So if a frigate webs my stabber, its difficult to avoid getting killed. Wooot....oO No way 2 or even 3 frigs kann kill the cheapo-Vaga-fitting faster than they die! Just a boost w. MWD to keep the transversal low, let loose the ACs (w. Barrage you'll hit up to 20km!) and the assaultlauncher and see them dropping fast. Might get hairy w. some AF like the Retri (0 EM resistence!) but usually not a problem w. T1 frigs I was thinking t2 frigates here, and I expect them to web the stabber. Small guns have better tracking than medium ones, so they will most likely hit the webbed stabber even when orbiting at full speed, while the medium guns will miss. If the stabber has a web of its own, its a different story though. Then I would engage the frigate. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: MacDuncan Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/10/2006 20:03:16 Originally by: Jet Collins How often are you hitting the target at those speeds? and I'm guessing this is cruiser battles only? Unless you are in a group than you can take on BS's I'm sure? But can your guns hit a frig at those speeds? Frigates scare me when im in a stabber without nos. And I dont use a web either, because I feel a large shield extender is more useful. So if a frigate webs my stabber, its difficult to avoid getting killed. Wooot....oO No way 2 or even 3 frigs kann kill the cheapo-Vaga-fitting faster than they die! Just a boost w. MWD to keep the transversal low, let loose the ACs (w. Barrage you'll hit up to 20km!) and the assaultlauncher and see them dropping fast. Might get hairy w. some AF like the Retri (0 EM resistence!) but usually not a problem w. T1 frigs I was thinking t2 frigates here, and I expect them to web the stabber. Small guns have better tracking than medium ones, so they will most likely hit the webbed stabber even when orbiting at full speed, while the medium guns will miss. If the stabber has a web of its own, its a different story though. Then I would engage the frigate. hmm .. i think a stabber only single webbed will kill the frigs (as long they are not AFs) (no experience though ) ... if the stabber bursts it's MWD and is single webbed it'll still go 300-500m/s depending on the quality of the web. the frig in orbit has to activate it's MWD to keep the orbit or there will be likely a decrease in tranversal velocity. so it's easier for the med AC's to hit because the frig(s) have a quite low tranversal or a quite big signature (and due to the mass a higher orbit which lowers the transversal again a bit) ... that's my theory on the topic ... when dualwebbed .. bye bye LSE-stabber/vagabond ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:33:00 - [27] Edited by: MacDuncan on 12/10/2006 11:34:55 Correct, Ishquar... And, on top of it: Stabber w. 3 Nanos is a lot faster than any AF usually... :-D And since they web you, they are well within NOS Range! :-P Edit: Typos again...:-( --
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:08:00 - [28] What about 2 nano's and a damage control? Is the speed that much better than the bonuse from the damage control. Think about this with the extender set up so you would have some more resistances all around which might be godo since you are not boosting/repairing? OR is the speed with one more nano that much better?
ZuN3 Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:10:00 - [29] stabber completely destroys tech II frigs :/ 4x 220mm vulcan AC II 1x assault launcher MWD, 20km scram, LSE II 2x nanos 1x gyro/pdu/wcs or another nano. Rips them apart. And anything else really.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:16:00 - [30] 4x220mm II 2xheavy launcher MWD, LSE, 20km disruptor 2 nanos and a damage control, or 3 nanos. orbit at 16km and you should be comfortable engaging anything other than a vaga/recon/bs.

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