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Gr00
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Posted - 2003.10.29 19:38:00 -
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I post this question because i¦m worried that development and fixing of the EvE universe seems to be slowing down dramatically.
In the past month there are only 8 new posts in the "Current Patchlog" Thread and most if not all seem to be cosmetic and minor changes. We haven¦t had a single patch since the "Huge patch fiasco" and most of the errors and bugs that accompanied that patch have yet to be fixed.
Since introduction of Miner II in a seriously incorrect manner (according to the public view) there has been no new content (excluding the implants which were introduced by accident according to CCP and a couple of agent reward BP¦s).
BS NPC¦s are not in the game yet but have been promised for months now.
Events are next to non-existent....
Dev-Blogs & CSM chats all revolve around the same questions, again and again.
PvP combat (Expecially on the pirate side) is getting nerfed again and again.
Deep Core Mining has been on the threshhold of introduction (along with the ore respawn fix) for weeks now.
Less responses by every week that goes by from Dev¦s and leads on the forums. Most questions and posts asking/demanding response are simply ignored.
This is not supposed to be a bith-about-this-and-that thread.
Am I the only one worried about this apparent development or is this maybe all in my head ?
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:03:00 -
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nope. you re right.
patch forum is next to dead, it s worrying me for a couple of weeks now.
they managed to run the frigate- championship after banning most modules.
guess it took all their resources!
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:08:00 -
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Wheeeee FINAL FANTASY XI...
But im a nice guy..... |
Soren
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:24:00 -
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Just be patient, it's comming. 
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:42:00 -
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There are still alot of major problems. I believe these need to be ironed out before new content and new events are added.
Things I "hope" the devs are feverishly trying to fix before moving forward and what new content they affect.
Stuck systems or blackholing. This affects everybody alot and I feel more events can't happen until this issue is resolved. Would you go to a system to participate in the event knowing in all likelihood you will get stuck, have to be moved therefore missing the event altogether? I know I wouldnt.
Bumping into a anchored secure can propels you across the the solar system. This one could effect other player owned entities like remote refineries.
Jump in spawn camping.
Mini-roids.
I imagine there's a plethora of others I missed, but those pop to mind the quickest.
I would also urge CCP to offer more incentive for players to test patches on Chaos BEFORE they hit tranquility. Isk, an uber item (not a bp), something which will not induce an imbalance but be an item of stature.
I would also suggest to CCP they have super-heavy duty testing days on chaos the week before a patch is to go live. Get as many players as they can to test it out with as many BH guys on to listen to the players.
I.E., instead of a bug report form, actually have a channel where you can contact them directly.
Onto your question directly. What we have seen prior were feature enhancements, bug fixes and new content. IMO, most of these were the small potatoes...but they were plentiful. Now we're starting to get into the heavy stuff. Player owned space objects, new ships, etc.
The items coming are game play altering things. Remote refineries are going to change things considerably for instance. They will require much more careful introduction into the game. I would rather wait, then see these things rushed and have to put up with more problems.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.29 20:54:00 -
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Its insulting to me that they refuse to communicate with us, the player base. Those CSM meetings are worse than pathetic. I use to read them, but I got time of having to read endless lines about noting to just gather a small piece of info. Why cant they tell us what the future is? After all, we ARE paying customers and we DESERVE better than this. I personally love Eve, but com'mon guys please tell us whats going on here.
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Alien8
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Posted - 2003.10.29 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Alien8 on 29/10/2003 21:32:22
Well, Plasmatique....it¦s not just about new content, but i some cases new content has been linked with fixing a known proble, example: the baby roid fix (supposed to come in with DeepCoreMining).
Take an example, last big patch fu**ed up a lot of things. Small things, like bookmark folders for example. Things that should be easy to fix but have not been yet (to extreme irritation of many). Of course fixing the blackhole - stuck situation should be a priority, but i¦ll be damned if it has to take up all the resources at CCPs disposal.
Then i¦d rather spend the occasional afternoon stuck then spend most evenings sliding deeper into boredom.
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Tentimes
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Posted - 2003.10.29 22:07:00 -
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I decided to cancel both accounts and come back at a later time.
As written on another thread - I don't know what they are doing, but the last I hear was player owned stuff was on the back-burner, and if you read the rest of the CSM chat it's enough to make you weep.
PvP is totaly borked, they need deep space platforms, factories, etc, far more than they need tech 2 - and frankly, I don't see where the content is going to lead to. There needs to be "content" in game mechanics first.
But right now we are getting the silent treatment and told that most things will have to wait months for.
To me it's the biggest MMOG dissapointment in 5 years of playing the genre.
No1 mistake: Poor comunication with player base.
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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:12:00 -
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No1 mistake: Poor comunication with player base.
Poor is a bit generous.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:22:00 -
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Of course hearing continouse complaints probably doesnt encourage devs to come to the forums anymore as it is quite a moral drainer to see threads like "I quit eve!", or "the devs are useless!".
There is probably alot of work going on in the background and they dont have alot of time to check through these forums, and like I said, alot of the complaining gives them less encouragement to come here.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Skaz on 29/10/2003 23:43:33
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Of course hearing continouse complaints probably doesnt encourage devs to come to the forums anymore as it is quite a moral drainer to see threads like "I quit eve!", or "the devs are useless!".
The more reason for them to do it then. If they'd come and really communicate with the players, then the complaining wouldn't maybe stop, but it would be a lot less.
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:49:00 -
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*shrugs*
Dunno ... ask CCP ...
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:51:00 -
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Some of changes and fixes are induced at dt, now I would also think that the reason why they are not rushing into things is because they still got a heavy red handmark on their behind from frustrated players who do not bear enough patience or do not realise that this game is not suited for everyone, nor are they going to make changes to it to suit players (unless it's at a cataclysmal point). Anyway, constant supply<->demand is what they're working on and ofcourse the new agent system.
Also I might add that each patch is theme oriented, sort of speaking. This upcoming patch is a patch from agent division, while other might be combat changes from TomB, bugfixes from the bughuntsquad etc.. This is to minimise tampering with the code at many stations at the same time, giving the fact it would be harder for them to track new or unreveiled bugs that start to show up. I would also predict that long time between patches should give the next team a speady developing as they're schematics and coding might be done mostly.
Anyway I'd welcome another patch as I want to try out new agent script and get that cancel warp button in. And I'd believe that mobile refineries should get their attention and needed coding because imagine what players would say if their long wanted refineries would not work when they're finally in. Cloaking is also another thing.
All in all upcoming patch is a big one, stationary player owned items in space, agents, cloaking, CANCEL WARP bugfixes and code cleanup.
P.S. in last dev chat they changed the idea of player owned stations and probably had to change thei're plan according to that.
Still love EVE, and will for many months to come. And if you'd summarise the changes from release and to upcoming patch you might actually come to think, wow what a great job they've done.
Keep up good work, here is a one player who will continue |
Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.30 00:35:00 -
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Keep the faith brothers...New content and debugging is coming along nicely..
Jeez i mean, just have some patients!! If we all just keep filing bugreports and paying our subs then the game will be ATLEAST half what they promised in no more then 6-10 years time...
Jeez all this i want it now...and you think paying good money for something justifies it! Jeez, no way dude....i pay hundreds of $ for no good reason on a daily basis man! It only a couple of years yet till EVE turns into a game....why can't you all just log on to train skills or have your alt mining with a macro if your sick of playing? When CCP finally turns EVE into a retail quality game in the 22nd century youl be greatefull you got all those skills trained and all that tritanium in your hanger!
/sarcasm
But seriously...people can keep believing what they want. Youve been spooned the same story for 6 months now. The story contains 'soon TM' and 'we are working on it'. If your expecting more please move along!
The game WILL become more like a game and less like a frustration central in time...alot of time!
The only question is...what do you do in the meantime? You have a few options!
- Cancel your subs, play another game and keep track of EVE development with the intent of coming back
- Decide your fed up with hollow promises and quit EVE never to return
- Keep your subs going to train your char and mine some royds
- Activly continue mining royds and killing countless NPC and build up a fortune so you can afford future content
Make your pick...but please...
Quit whining about the development of the game and how crappy or slow it is. This is the cold hard reality. Either you have alot of patients OR some gamedev just scammed you out of 50USD by convincing you to buy their game. The decision is upto you, make it already...
Savey?
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.10.30 01:09:00 -
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Ulendar,
Maybe I would not say the same thing with the same words. But I somewhat agree with you, that's how Im feeling.
Im playing since beta, and, when I look back, I can only see "Soons" and "we are working on it".
Recently, "I was not aware of that". c'mon, there is no effort in writing in the dev blog what is being done atm!! If there is no news, the only thing we can conclude is that things are frozen in iceland (and Im not talking about the weather).
If a dev reads this post, he will prolly ask: "do you think that we didn't make any progress ?" oh yes, sure you did. But this "progress" was only to make the game appear as it SHOULD be in the day of launch (and frankly, we are still somewhat away from it).
what is worse, there is no objective, there is no goal set (we at least, the player base, don't know a word of it). Things are done because someone requested, because someone found it should be fun, etc etc etc. But there is no commitment in smashing the bugs and making the current player base ENJOY the game.
Now I can hear a BH say: "what do you think we are doing ?" I would answer: hunting bugs, and I appreciate that. But when CCP introduces only ONE new feature to the game, the bug smashing effort looses it's effectiveness. And what makes me sad: this is NO news. This have been said in the past countless times.
I remember that I was one of the few beta testers that wrote petitions asking CCP to delay launch, OR to keep an active beta tester base until they had the major problems sorted out. It's obvious that they didn't listen.
Now the million dollar question: why some people keep playing this game ? Well, I think that I keep playing it because I have one or 2 friends around. Playing a MMORPG is NOT like playing Freelancer or Max Payne 2. There is a lot of effort and TIME invested here. Please CCP, don't make me realize that I should trash all this effort and the time spent playing it.
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Darth Vodka
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Posted - 2003.10.30 04:59:00 -
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it doesn't break the bank to keep the subscription active
plenty of juicy new mmorpg's on the horizon, but i do still hope that Eve has a bright future.
some changes would definatly be needed as the competition hot's up though |
Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.10.30 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 01/11/2003 11:59:55
I never knew an MMOG that never is done. Having said this I'm reluctant to go to another MMO and have the fix the bug cycle to go through again.
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.10.30 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 30/10/2003 10:40:43
How many people who are moaning about development grinding to a hault ever log on to chaos?
The reason the devs aren't busy chatting with the community about changes is because they are actually busy making them.
Log on to Chaos, see the game develop.
And don't give me that "Its not my job to test" line, you can't moan about a lack of information and development if you aren't willing to pull your head outta your ass and take a look around you.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.10.30 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 30/10/2003 10:40:43
How many people who are moaning about development grinding to a hault ever log on to chaos?
The reason the devs aren't busy chatting with the community about changes is because they are actually busy making them.
Log on to Chaos, see the game develop.
And don't give me that "Its not my job to test" line, you can't moan about a lack of information and development if you aren't willing to pull your head outta your ass and take a look around you.
Sorry to disagree. "Its not my job to test" IS a valid answer. I used to write lots of bug reports when I was a beta tester. But now things are COMPLETELY different, and maybe, just maybe, CCP is behaving like that because they didn't realize yet that things are actually different.
If your idea of communications and PR is to log on chaos and "see for yourself" the changes being made, something is terribly wrong. Some changes being tested there won''t be in the game for some time and we (the players) have no clue about what is of the most importance: what will be implemented in the next patch, what is the goal of the developers.
This last agent issue is a perfect example of that. What good is to be a chaos *****, and find out that CCP didn't corect this problem since may ? Worse, that lots of players did missions and will be screwed up in the near future ?
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.10.30 15:03:00 -
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"Its not my job to test" IS a valid answer. I used to write lots of bug reports when I was a beta tester
As did I .. but I still do.
The point I was making is that things are happening, as anyone who tests on chaos will tell you.
People who sit an whinge that the world isn't handed to them on a plate frustrate me. It is like people asking you the time even though they have a perfectly good watch.
Sure there should be more feedback, but claiming that development has stopped because of the lack of feedback is plain ignorance. You can go and see, test and influence the development, so saying it isn't there is just stupid.
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.10.30 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: EvilEric on 30/10/2003 15:38:00
How long does it take to write a quick update to the "updates" section do you think.? September 9th!!!
Most people ARE prepared to wait, but the MAIN concern of the people I know and talk to is the sheer LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
For exaplme: A GM answered the numerous threads on this today and said what? "Soon (tm)."
"No news is NOT good news."
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Seifern
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Posted - 2003.10.30 17:16:00 -
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And don't give me that "Its not my job to test" line, you can't moan about a lack of information and development if you aren't willing to pull your head outta your ass and take a look around you.
hello it isnt our jobs to test. Are you getting paid to write script that doesnt work correctly or put out a non finished product?
you pay someone for a service. It should be you pay CCP for monthly subs to eve and play a game where you challenge other people and yourself to do things. not petition this, bug report that. if that is the case we have all been scammed cause we are paying CCP to be beta testers.
No thanx.
Dont get me wrong i love this game. but you shouldnt have released stuff if it was broke
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.30 19:00:00 -
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I fully agree with stealthnet...
Ive always vouched my opinion about this in the same manner and that is that i DO have a right to complain eventhough i am not activly participating in the develoment of the game...
ie. make suggestions, file bug reports, test on chaos ectect... This is simple NOT my job. I already have a job and guess what, im not doing that job for free either! Let alone pay for it!! Furthermore the develoment and debugging of EVE is simple not my concern. I dont need to be bothered with what keeps the game from being anywhere near what it promised to be. I'm not unreasonable...i understand reasons fair enough but there is an END to the amount of reasons...or shoul di say 'excuses' i can swallow.
Back when i was a betatester things were diferent. I was more or less an employee. My job was to file bugreports with logs ect and make suggestions on how things 'might' be better. My reward was the fact that i was allowed to play the game at no charge.
When i became a customer the tables turned. I no longer have any obligation whatsoever to hunt bugs or even file them is i stumble upon them for that matter (not that i dont, just making my point) because i am a customer. I am buying their product and NOT trying to sell myself as a betatester.
As for my general conclusion on EVE's develoment and the speed at wich it is progressing...
Il start off by saying.
EVE was released WAY to soon. It should have gotten another year of development and testing ATLEAST. Someone please tell me how CCP ever thought of releasing this game in 2002??! Wich was the original release date!
I know the tale of how every mmorpg get released as a WIP. I have heard this tale just like i have heard the tale about how no game at present day gets released BUG-FREE, they all need patches!
YES, i fully agree to all of that but my point here is that there is a DIFERENTS! A very big one at that.
Some games become released and they are at first glance 'finished', yet, after 2 weeks a patch comes out to fix X and Y and you find out there are actually a number of people having problems. During the course of the game after gold more patches become released wich iron out small imperfections and problems, balance issues with the game. All in the while your playing this game and not really feeling a big drawback from the bugs that the patches are fixing...most likely it never came to your attention!
What i described here is how it SHOULD be and how most quality software is infact handled present day...
The other side of the dice is something much less colourfull where people can hardly play the game just after release and patches take a month if not MONTHS to arrive...eventhen they only fix partial of the major problems driving everyone into a frenzy...this is bad and a clue-in that the devs did not make their deadline!
MMORPG's follow the same patern..
Every mmorpg needs work...granted. But not all mmorpg's become gold when there isnt even anything REAL to do in the game expect 'keep busy'. Not all mmorpg's go gold when even the most BASIC game mechanics are not in place! EVE ex. Combat system, law inforcement system, tradeskills and trademarket (black market ect), research??! playerowned stuff? Where are all these thing? They are fairly basic things for a game like EVE. Yet they are not here. This is not the end of the story. The massive balancing issues and server problems come into play asswell. Basically i would say that EVE is now aproaching an early beta stage in wich the source code needs to be cleared up. In later beta's the various basic systems of EVE will go into develoment and testing and for final release of EVE a fully worked out brush of availeble options and modules (content) will be polished up and released. Also server stability will have to be sorted!
Basically what you will then have is a game wich is WIP when it comes to content such as tech2, 3, 4, 5. And ofcourse all the extra options and skills that go with it. The basic systems are there and working however and they only need finetuning and debugging on a minor level to perfectionise...
THAT would have been acceptable to about 99% of the community. the other 1% are the absolute whiners who you can never please. Unfortunitly what EVE is now is just an early beta and NOT 'the way things go these days with mmorpgs'...
No, not really. Thats not how things go...EVE is a bad example of a dealine not maintained and possibly a struggling publisher...
all in all my sentiments go towards EVE because frankly, the ideas and potential are all there. If only they were realised in an acceptable timeframe and with a sertain consistancy then the future for EVE would look much brighter. I think that at this point the future for EVE is in doubt. Not wether it will fail or not but wether they will be able to execute all their ideas before the competition does ;)
In any case. My account is going on suspension. I will be looking
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.10.30 22:15:00 -
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I really don't know what their PR (player relations) fools are up to. I mean the CSM chats are a joke right now. And they just cancled this recent one, anyone think its because the CSM players made a fool outa TomB the week before?
I just don't understand Icelandic ppl.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 01/11/2003 12:03:25
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I really don't know what their PR (player relations) fools are up to. I mean the CSM chats are a joke right now. And they just cancled this recent one, anyone think its because the CSM players made a fool outa TomB the week before?
I just don't understand Icelandic ppl.
support has been outsourced.
Link
clever idea.
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Draxie
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:03:00 -
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Its insulting to me that they refuse to communicate with us, the player base.
Insulting you can only be a good thing. Pitty their lack of comunication affects the rest of us aswell.
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Riana Tabost
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:52:00 -
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It's like the calm before the storm.
I like storms.
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Sabrun Nestor
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Posted - 2003.11.01 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 01/11/2003 12:03:25
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I really don't know what their PR (player relations) fools are up to. I mean the CSM chats are a joke right now. And they just cancled this recent one, anyone think its because the CSM players made a fool outa TomB the week before?
I just don't understand Icelandic ppl.
support has been outsourced.
Link
clever idea.
Oh Jesus Christ! That's probably the fastest way to flush your company's customers down the toilet...
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Rafe Zetter
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Posted - 2003.11.01 14:34:00 -
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To me it's the biggest MMOG dissapointment in 5 years of playing the genre.
You obviously have yet to play SWG |
Mayumi
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Posted - 2003.11.01 22:30:00 -
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About the customer support outsourcing: this is a really minor thing to be honest, support is under the control of SimÝnn, which is also based in ReykjavÝk, and they are also investors in CCP. Policies tend to be agreed with CCP.
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