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HYBRIDIZER
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:12:00 -
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So there are these annoying macro miners in my system they have setup camp for the past couple weeks. I have sent a petition in on it. This is in .6 security space.
If my corp wages war against there corp am I then free to just warp in and proceed to clear the barges out of my system without concord getting involved? From what I have read, the answer is yes but I just want to make sure before I test this theory. I like this better than suicide frigates.
Thanks
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Savatage CMA
WBR
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:19:00 -
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Yep thats how it works. Its takes I think 8 mill per week for the war if its your only war and they have to be on a corp, not a starter corp and so do you for that matter.
If you need help I may be able to come for a few days of easy slaughter just contact me ingame
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:32:00 -
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Most macroers stay in the NPC corps specifically so that they cannot be wardecced. This limits your actions to such activities as ore theft and bumping.
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Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:32:00 -
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I know some people that might be interested if you and the macrominers are in non starter corps.
Also, I read some stuff on the pirate forum once about swiping the macro miner's can and replacing it with yours and waiting for them to empty the can and then blowing up their hauler with no need to war dec. I don't know if that really works or not.
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HYBRIDIZER
Bloodmoon Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 17:27:00 -
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I just checked and they are with a starter corp. I was able to swipe one of their can's. They are pretty crafty, I tried to replace their jet can with mine. The issue is there indy comes in and tractor's there can's away which if memory serves me correct, you can't tractor a jet can that isn't yours.
So far I have only had success once with stealing a can after about 5 minutes they locked me and sent there drones on me. I was able to clear two barges by this way, but since then they haven't done it again.
Technically the petition I don't see getting completed on them either as technically I don't belive they are violating the TOS. It's just a simple frustration for me really, as I make my isk via mining, and all the belts are pretty stripped by the time I get to them.
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 17:52:00 -
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Get a BS with standard T1 gear and max insurance, then get a corp-mate-hauler-buddy. Lock the macro-ers, then go to the can and empty it. If they do nothing jet the ore and have your hauler buddy pick it up. Repeat this process until the shoot or leave.
If they shoot then rip 'em up. BS with a couple scrams, target painters, and high-damage fittings will tear through a barge in short order. Smart bombs can also be a good choice to make quick work of the drones, a barge's on offense.
Otherwise suicide Kessie!!! If you loot one strip miner per kill you will actually profit from this.
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:16:00 -
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How do you recognize the macrominers? I think that I've seen macrominers before but I wasn't sure. What are the "tells" that clue you in that these aren't just quiet neighbors...
- Helo
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Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2006.10.12 20:51:00 -
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If you take all the ore a macro miner pulls for an hour, you can actually get in trouble for profiting from their cheating.
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HYBRIDIZER
Bloodmoon Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: HYBRIDIZER on 12/10/2006 21:27:59
Edited by: HYBRIDIZER on 12/10/2006 21:25:55
 Originally by: Heloise ChateauBriande
How do you recognize the macrominers? I think that I've seen macrominers before but I wasn't sure. What are the "tells" that clue you in that these aren't just quiet neighbors...
- Helo
The easiest way is if they all carry the same name with just a different number at the end example: kissair101, kissair102 and so on.
Some other tell tails, are when trying to convo they will constantly reject. Or do nothingif you do a little thief test.
I mine with one other barge and a hauler in my corp. People will come in and see if we are macro mining. Typically our system doesn't require jet can's so it's more secure from your normal can thiefs. I accept can thiefs, but that doesn't stop me from maybe a small cry when they do get me. :) It's part of the fun of the game.
SIDE NOTE: Does someone a link to a build for the best suicide kessie? I assume it's just a bunch of standerd launchers, some scrap extender and booster laying around and maybe a scram. I dont' want to take the thread off topic.
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Azrael Bierce
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.10.12 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lab Technician071548
If you take all the ore a macro miner pulls for an hour, you can actually get in trouble for profiting from their cheating.
Its OK as long as you petition them first. If you just sit around making a profit off of their harvesting ccp takes a dim view. Reporting them then stealing their ore is supposedly OK.
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Big Al
Free Manure Ask Me How
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Posted - 2006.10.13 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 13/10/2006 11:53:53
I suspect there are very few completely automated macros, most are at least watched over by someone. If you hang around them enough they will eventually respond to your actions. This is also why they are apparently difficult to ban.
That being said:
Top Ten Signs You are Looking at A Macro Miner/Isk seller
10.) They have names like you mashed your head on the keyboard: lksfdjlskaf
9.) They are named sequentially: nihao1, nihao2, etc
8.) If you pop their jetcan they mine til their hold is full then sit there for 10 minutes
7.) Looking at the contents of their jetcan you notice 25 stacks of ore, even though they are only mining 2 different types, sure sign of a mouse stroke recording
6.) Their ship is named, "Macro Miner One"
5.) If you bump them 50km out of the field, they stay there for more than 10 minutes.
ok, so i started running out of steam at this point.
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and the number one sign you are looking at a macro miner/isk seller:
When you suicide their mackinaws you get 100 lines of spam in chinese from their controller.
It's a problem in the game, although it really only hurts other miners - everyone loves cheap empire mins and ice products. The only effective way to stop them are suicide attacks. Some will flag to you if you steal their ore, but their numbers shrink every day.
edit: Sadly the only way to take out a large number without coordination is with smart bombs, with the current state of the game if you activate smartbombs on that many people you lag too much to prevent getting the pods. Then you get to go carebear for a week to get enough sec status to do it again.
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WizardBlade
Delta team
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:36:00 -
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Ony one question , if you are in BS and steel from their can , then they attack you , no ? if that i will tank them and destroy them , and you fit 2 large bomb for the drones ank kill them .
Is this correct or i missing something ?
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NiBorg
Dominus Nihil EVE
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Posted - 2006.10.13 19:03:00 -
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When I go mining I use 4 accounts on 1 machine (3 barges and a hauler) I couldnt walk away even if I wanted to with my holds being full far to quickly and a can every 10 minutes. I also have a habbit of putting the barges in seperate belts so as not to completely *****a belt.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.10.13 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 13/10/2006 21:52:51
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.10.13 21:53:00 -
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Once you report someone as being a macro miner you can steal their loot untill CCP stops them. If we just go ahead and assume CCP reads and takes every petition seriously then a miner not being removed means they are not macro mining so I would say go ahead and steal.
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ShardowRhino
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:18:00 -
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Me and my corp have been trying to keep macro miners in check in a paricular system.
First, how do we spot macro miners.
1.they have been in an NPC corp around 5 months or longer.
2. They have ONLY been in an NPC corp. This means they didn't just leave a player corp for some reason.
3. Their names "sort of" make sense to none. If English is your primary language then its easy to spot them.
4. Locate them in a field. Macrominers will be using barges, particularlly a covetor.
5. Observe them. Every 20 minutes or so the hauler will come by,always in an iteron V(so far).
6. If you really want to be sure, take some of their ore.If they say nothing then someone is busy eating his chowmein. If they get mad at you and yell at you in local, their english is going to be bad and limited. expect them to show your name + **** !
You can generally tell if there are macro miners operating in the system by going to the stations. You want to look for haulers just sitting outside the station doing nothing. Take a look at their info. If they warp to a field, follow them as he will lead you to 1 of his miners.
Macro miners tend to work in groups. I haven't seen signs of individual players controlling individual ships. So its one person controlling 3-5 accounts. This also explains the delay in their actions.
Each macro miner "group" is controlled by 1 player. That player, which i refer to as "the controller" is the account controlling the hauler. They tend to have anywhere from 3-5 barges,each in a seperate field. As i find the members of each group i set their standing to -10 and under the notes i add "who" is the controller and "who" his other miners are.
You really dont need a BS to jack macro miners. A kestrel (4xrockets,2xwarpscram,small extender+small shield )Only a few have actually been stupid enough to touch any cans that i have "flipped"(jetison 1rocket then stuff their ore into your jetcan). If they take anything just scram them and open up with rockets. ive destroyed barges with less then a clip. A BS is overkill and may discourage younger players from harrassing macrominers.
One last thing I want to mention. I have seen 1 macro group (controller+barges) move from one system to another. At the same time a new macro group moves in. They think by rotating what group is working what system is going to fool actual players.
okay heres the last thing ,honestly:). I have noticed the longer we keep the macro miners out, the stability of mineral prices increase. I think macro miners might actually try to manipulate the market by placing large buy orders, this suffocates actual player buy orders. This forces the players to raise the rate they will buy at in order to fill the min order. Once the "manufactured" price becomes the norm,the macroer then sells his mins.
Example, tritanium average on day 1 is 1.70isk. Over the next week actual player competition will raise prices to 1.75isk/unit. Out of nowhere a 50million buy order is placed for 1.96/unit. The difference is small when looking at an individual unit but when your talking about 50million pieces thats...crap gotta go:D wiil finish later i hope:P
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Shing Fun
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Posted - 2006.10.22 05:22:00 -
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^^ Never read so much Bull****
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Takashi Linegod
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Me and my corp have been trying to keep macro miners in check in a paricular system.
First, how do we spot macro miners.
1.they have been in an NPC corp around 5 months or longer.
2. They have ONLY been in an NPC corp. This means they didn't just leave a player corp for some reason.
I am a mineing alt and I have only been in a NPC corp (approaching the 5 month mark). You should try to start a convo or say something in local before you assume someone is a macroer. However, besides items 1-3 I dont exibit any of ShardowRhino's signs of a macroer.
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Tolomea
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:37:00 -
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The Indicators we use:
Always in a noob corp, to the point that we don't bother robbing anyone who isn't.
Never have faction standings.
They always run in teams, 1 iteron 5 and up to a half dozen barges.
Often several characters in the same team will have very close creation dates (+-5min).
All the ones I've seen have been Gallente and I'm running in Armarr space.
Often the names are smiliar, nosensical or numbered but this seems to be getting less common.
They either block convo or accept and don't ever respond, except the hauler these will sometimes attempt broken english, esp if you threaten to attack or petittion.
They often mine indiscriminately but not always.
The ones we've reported so far don't appear to have had any action taken against them. That said once you've petitioned them theres good money to be made robbing them. We don't bother with fighting them, we use a hauler and a couple of destroyers (or similar sized). The destroyers locate full cans, flip and bug out, the hauler comes by and scoops. Recently they've started shooting down our cans, which doesn't seem to get them flagged.
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Tolomea
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:45:00 -
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And our corp has a no stealing from players policy so anyone who shows any sign of being a legitimate player gets an apology and a refund with bonus for the hassle. So far the couple of actually players we've robbed have been quite understanding, they usually hate the macros as much as we do.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Example, tritanium average on day 1 is 1.70isk. Over the next week actual player competition will raise prices to 1.75isk/unit. Out of nowhere a 50million buy order is placed for 1.96/unit.
Sorry, that was me. But when a man needs his trit, he needs his trit!
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Pwett
CEO and Founder
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shing Fun
^^ Never read so much Bull****
Sorry, you're wrong.
He's absolutely correct. I have hunted, harassed, demolished and demoralized macro miner operations in my home systems many times over.
Want to find a bunch of Macrominers?
Go to the devoid region. I'm not kidding. It's full of them. Macro population outnumbers player population, easily.
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CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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Olaf Goloth
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:12:00 -
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I've been mining in a system full of macro miners and haven't had a problem until today. Now they are harrassing me to keep me out I think.
They are all in noob corps except the one I believe is the controller....he's in a corp of one.
I petitioned this morning and I'm thinking about declaring war on his corp....I'm in a corp of two. 
Does this sound like the plan to go with? Normally we try to keep a low profile and just go about our mining and building business.
Olaf
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Gretek Lal
Minmatar
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.10.25 23:20:00 -
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Macro miners: reason number 1 why I have played Eve a total of just 1 hour in the last 2 months.
I used to just LOVE mining. I wanted my "career" in Eve to be miner/manufacturer.
Now I see system after system after system...mined out.
For me, Eve is beginning to suck.
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Gavin Neltharek
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Posted - 2006.10.26 02:59:00 -
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I've been trying to make a respectable amount mining out in the Metropolis region but the marco miner community is just killing region prices. It becomes a pain in the ass to try and mine legit when you've got asses that do nothing but drive you up a wall. Something has got to be done about em.
Ohh just a newbie miner stopping in to say hello. Been in eve for 2 weeks(plus 7 day trial) and love mining... minus the macroers :(
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Team Condor
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Posted - 2006.10.26 03:22:00 -
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Just wait till Kali, when there will be randomly spawned hidden fields for you to mine in. The macrominers wont have instas and wont look for em, so it gives you an advantage.
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Big Al
Another Lame Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Olaf Goloth
I've been mining in a system full of macro miners and haven't had a problem until today. Now they are harrassing me to keep me out I think.
They are all in noob corps except the one I believe is the controller....he's in a corp of one.
If you see any potential macro miners in player corps please relay the intel to the ingame channel macrointel, odds are they will be immediately dealt with.
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testingstuff222
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Posted - 2006.10.27 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shing Fun
^^ Never read so much Bull****
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Gretek Lal
Minmatar
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.10.29 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Salvis Tallan
Just wait till Kali, when there will be randomly spawned hidden fields for you to mine in. The macrominers wont have instas and wont look for em, so it gives you an advantage.
I have not kept up with Kali so I have no idea what will be new or changed, etc.
But I wish there were some way to deal with the macro problem. Why should I have to spend gaming time searching and searching and searching for randomly spawned roid fields?
Random spawns won't stop macroers from continuing to do what they do in existing fields. And it won't stop the negative effect they are having on ore prices.
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phillip duncan
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tolomea
Recently they've started shooting down our cans, which doesn't seem to get them flagged.
Have you tried using a third party to create the can. If you steal form then you are flagged. If it a third partly and you do not get kill rights then its a bug. Just swap the pilots between indys and haulers.
Player A creates can
Player B takes the ore form the macros can and places it in players A can. If the macros attack the can and live it's a bug.
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