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Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 13/10/2006 03:49:54 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 13/10/2006 03:48:05 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 13/10/2006 03:46:23 The video : 15 minutes, 1024768 halfsize, wmv9 encoded - 311mb. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/nubmart/benevolence.wmv Previous video* : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=402518 The ships : All battleships are running T1 guns (and crappy skills). Tempest (2 scenes) Megathron (5 scenes) Typhoon (3 scenes) Curse (2 scenes) The music : Edit : Might need to turn the volume up, rendered it a bit low. Mostly for entertainment value, it's aesthetics might offend the more finely tuned senses somewhat. The final track is a bit experimental, trying to change the mood and mellow out towards the end - the footage is also slightly less action-packed in the last third. Styles of Beyond - Nine Thou (Superstar Remix) Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch Utah Saints - Mortal Kombat Theme Apocalyptica - Faraway (no vocals) The content : Even for the spartanic editing so far, I'm a bit unhappy with the intro-timing and some other small issues. I'll probably leave it like this though and attempt a re-mix later with Premiere Pro which reportedly has a much easier time doing slowdowns than the crazy split-system in Vegas. Excuses/spoilers to the combat involved will follow at a later time (six gun syndrome ). Suffice to say I'm not very happy with the third engagement (Nalvula Asteroid Belts), but other than that most of the footage that went into it is satisfactory. Also, bear with me and keep in mind that the first three scenes (all gang engagements) are not indicative whatosever of the rest of the footage. I thought they might be enjoyable, even though it's all somewhat atypical (I'm sure you've always wanted to watch me be jammed and get shot). The disclaimer: Footage is still 1024*768 recorded at half-size. Compression has improved somewhat in both file size and quality, colors should be somewhat clearer now. An ETA for when I'll be able to record fullsize is still up in the air, sorry dudes.
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:03:00 - [2] Downloading, will comment in a bit :)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:13:00 - [3] I liked it, good material. Maybe little higher quality, but tbh, i'm not that interested in shiny stuff, content is more important. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:26:00 - [4] I liked it too.: Especially seeing the HAC/RECON gang of DsotM being shotup in Nalvula and our wartargets of GURIS being shotup in Jan ;D Captain Ladel Teravada Chief of Naval Intelligence, CAIN Assistant Director of Foreign Relations, KD
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:51:00 - [5] Damn, man, nice escape at that P8R gate. Quality really could use upping (even at the expense of dropped frames) but a fun vid nonetheless.
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:31:00 - [6] I've seen half the vid now, gotta ask something; Is that nice micro, or do you have one of the gamer keyboard thingy's? Also, as already have been stated, fullsize fraps would improve the enjoyment factor :)
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 13/10/2006 14:27:34 Edited by: Ras Blumin on 13/10/2006 13:43:18 I've seen half the vid now, gotta ask something; Is that nice micro, or do you have one of the gamer keyboard thingy's? Just rebound hotkeys for mids and lows, no special hard- or software. If you look closely theres about 3 instances of 6 gun syndrome too, and at the Torrinos gate I tried to keep the injector on auto for one cycle and that cost me one run of the MWD. As for quality/size, that was rendered at 30 fps, 640x480, WMV V9 Compression. The only way to get it much smaller would seem to be switching codecs, and I'll look into that. I just liked WMV because it seems to let me edit pre-compressed footage.
Sean Dillon Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:43:00 - [8] Nice video
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:51:00 - [9] 1: nice vid. Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg As for quality/size, that was rendered at 30 fps, 640x480, WMV V9 Compression. The only way to get it much smaller would seem to be switching codecs, and I'll look into that. I just liked WMV because it seems to let me edit pre-compressed footage. If you use adobe premiere 2, export to the included frameserver. Then open the .avi that it gives in the windows media encoder. This will chain the two programs and give a easy way to control your encoding parameters. The WMV panel in premiere itself (imho) lacks control.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.14 02:18:00 - [10] nice vid, the quality is a bit low, but i njoyed the whole movie, a keeper :)
Aquila Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.15 14:06:00 - [11] Can I be rude and ask what fitting you're using for that curse? :) I'm a newbie in a curse myself, and your setup looked rather effective. As far as I could make up from your comments, 4 medium nos 1 medium neut, 10mn mwd, radar eccm, 3 ecm (all multispec or something?), disruptor, medium rep and rest hidden :p any faction? Teh NAGA ShopÖ
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.15 21:43:00 - [12] The one in both videos is pretty much identical (except for the first scene I was lacking Hull Ups V) : 3x medium nos / 1x small neut / 1x small nos 10MN MWD / 20km / ECCM / 2x 'Hypnos' Multispec / 1x BZ-5 Caldari Racial 1x MARP II / 2x EAN II / 1x 800mm Crystalline As for faction, there's none to be seen in action in either video. But a TS disruptor and an SS/Domination MWD are definitely alot of fun. Kind of like the one I warped into a PoS on Friday, the 13th
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2006.10.15 23:54:00 - [13] Nice one ridgeway! Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari What single item is larger than a jetcan? My ego?
Aquila Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:23:00 - [14] Btw I really liked both your videos, and if this is to off-topic then just ignore me :) Do you feel that you have enough sucking power with two frigate modules on the curse? Do you drain battleships, and especially dominixes that usually go around with like 4-5 heavy noses or so with 3 cruiser noses and the two frig modules? Will placing something like an RCUII and more cruiser modules totally bork your tank? The ECCM is really something though, a poor scorpion couldn't jam me with all his multispecs :) Teh NAGA ShopÖ
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Aquila Lightwielder Btw I really liked both your videos, and if this is to off-topic then just ignore me :) Do you feel that you have enough sucking power with two frigate modules on the curse? Do you drain battleships, and especially dominixes that usually go around with like 4-5 heavy noses or so with 3 cruiser noses and the two frig modules? Will placing something like an RCUII and more cruiser modules totally bork your tank? The ECCM is really something though, a poor scorpion couldn't jam me with all his multispecs :) iirc a dominix is just a very, very unfeasible 1v1 in a curse. You can easily get them while ratting though, or when you have dmg support. In this video a AC tempest was used for support quite extensively, and due to coordinated ECM/nossing of tacklers it could get out quite often.
Kyozoku Loot	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:05:00 - [16] Best I've seen for some time. I look forward to your next one.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:56:00 - [17] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 17/10/2006 02:03:31 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 17/10/2006 02:02:27 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 17/10/2006 02:00:35 Originally by: Arimai Originally by: Aquila Lightwielder Btw I really liked both your videos, and if this is to off-topic then just ignore me :) Do you feel that you have enough sucking power with two frigate modules on the curse? Do you drain battleships, and especially dominixes that usually go around with like 4-5 heavy noses or so with 3 cruiser noses and the two frig modules? Will placing something like an RCUII and more cruiser modules totally bork your tank? The ECCM is really something though, a poor scorpion couldn't jam me with all his multispecs :) iirc a dominix is just a very, very unfeasible 1v1 in a curse. You can easily get them while ratting though, or when you have dmg support. In this video a AC tempest was used for support quite extensively, and due to coordinated ECM/nossing of tacklers it could get out quite often. Lets put it this way : It's impossible to solo a Dominix ontop of a gate, like any other battleship. It's difficult to take out a PvP fitted Dominix, but quite doable if he's using an Injector and no Null Electrons. And infact, it's quite a cakewalk off gates with a 28km disruptor. But nobody wants to hear me throwing absolutes around trying to sound important, so let me for lack of more time right now (academia getting in the way of gaming, how dare it), break it down crudely : Medium Curse Nos = Small Neut = ~1 Heavy Nos for drain/s Small Nos = 1 Med Nos But more importantly : 3x Medium Nos = approx 180-220 cap/cycle. That number right there is the sole reason it's in the realm of the possible, and why I don't mind sacrificing raw drainage and the ability to instavape cruisercap for the 800mm plate. Even while being repeatedly nossed to zero cap (been there, done that) you retain the ability to MWD provided you're unjammed. As long as you swing it that the MWD keeps running, you'll easily leave T2 heavies in the dust. That takes the fight down to 2 points : 1. Hammerhead IIs versus Curse Range and your current speed will help stave off a few seconds on the Hammer IIs. This is a plain old race against time, kill them before they force you out. Any other mediums are no real contest, to be honest. 2. Actually killing the target So, lets assume you've killed all his medium drones and now have to kill him. You've still got a problem, more or less the same as with soloing any PvP BS : He's going to run out of cap. The issue with that is, when he runs out of cap you're out of income too - and worse yet, assuming you're not using a faction disruptor his nos is still running. So as his cycle hits, he'll waste/use what he can off your cap before you retake it - leaving you without even optimal regen. However, time is working against both pilots - unable to repair and even reliably maintain hardeners (without an injector, which staves off the problem for you as well though) he will be going down reasonably (approximately 16 seconds per 1k armor, so between 3 - 4 minutes for the armor layer). And more importantly : People make mistakes, and lose their heavies. If he's completely out of drones, you can only win at that point. If he trys to micro, attack several drones to force a recall - it's a nice and long contest to see who mucks up first really (and who wins on the ECM side of things, which is why a fight like that is almost gauranteed to end with noone dying ). Edit : To answer the original question, yes 3 medium nos is enough to sustain yourself. You won't murder a battleships capacitor rapidly, but are bound to run most anything dry regardless of their own nos soon enough, since your own tiny capacitor doesn't make a good battery for the opponent meaning he's reliant almost solely on innate regen even if he out-nosses you.
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Lets put it this way : It's impossible to solo a Dominix ontop of a gate, like any other battleship. It's difficult to take out a PvP fitted Dominix, but quite doable if he's using an Injector and no Null Electrons. And infact, it's quite a cakewalk off gates with a 28km disruptor. Of course, we're both assuming "a both personal and sp wise skilled player in a dominix" here. Each other case ofc is different. Faction disruptor kind voids the whole point though; especially since his ability to kill you suddenly is void (unless you lag out etc ), and that if he used faction (neuts) you'd have a very hard time yourself. To put in a other way: mail me on either of the chars I use and we'll test. I'm pretty sure we can have a endless discussion on forums, and tbh I know that I whould use my 3-4 minutes to de-agro and jump :P
Aquila Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.17 15:43:00 - [19] do you manage to keep away from the turrets of all turret ships? especially large turrets? Ever tried to fit a tracking disruptor instead of one of the multispecs? Just throwing out ideas :) Teh NAGA ShopÖ
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:10:00 - [20] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 17/10/2006 20:10:50 @Arimai : Read the first paragraph again. It states that killing almost any properly fitted battleship within 30k of a gate is impossible. The entire response was more geared towards how fights like that played out while camping 80km off gates with help of a bubble, or baiting targets into belts. Out of three instances of getting Dominixes in that fashion, I had to flee once (Hull Ups IV / Recon II ftl) and the other two times the Dominix eventually got a jam in and warped out, however one of those instances I had LG Snakes and a 28km disruptor. I really wish I had the older Curse soloing footage, some of it is great (albeit, as you can guess, every fight between 3-10 minutes). But I've stopped doing alot of Curse soloing, because of how much more awesome it is with Sang. Originally by: Aquila Lightwielder do you manage to keep away from the turrets of all turret ships? especially large turrets? Ever tried to fit a tracking disruptor instead of one of the multispecs? Just throwing out ideas :) TDs don't get me or Sang untackled, stop anyone from nossing or help with missiles. Considering all three are a greater threat than turrets, I don't see the point in having TDs in all-round fitting. They're great and very effective modules, but they don't compare to the utility of ECM. That it's a sad state of affairs that ECM is the blanket utility module is another discussion altogether. I'm not a fan of it either, but while it's here might as well play ball.
ceirwyn Amarr The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.10.17 22:04:00 - [21] Edited by: ceirwyn on 17/10/2006 22:13:06 Edited by: ceirwyn on 17/10/2006 22:11:22 Fun vid..the only thing I'd prefer is if you showed the full fights, even if you lose. The first one in jan for example went on for another 5 minutes at least, and was lots of fun. Dunno what it is-clips that suddenly stop have always bugged me, and you had some awesome fights going :D Other than that, fun to watch indeed :D Oh also, what was the last piece of music> very nice.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 18/10/2006 01:44:04 Uh, you must be thinking of a different fight. That one was your gatecamp getting baited by Deva Blackfire's Absolution and has nothing to do with the lots v 3 in the belt a day earlier (I have trouble keeping track of all the times I explode too ) None of the footage is really cut at all in Benevolence, short of where I accidentially recorded looting. The late start on the 5 TCF BS playing with the Nanophoon was due to me being stupid, bouncing off the gate and then starting to record.
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 17/10/2006 20:35:22I had to flee once (Hull Ups IV / Recon II ftl) and the other two times the Dominix eventually got a jam in and warped out, however one of those instances I had LG Snakes and a 28km disruptor. Losing a gangmate in the process, if i recall correctly :D
ceirwyn Amarr The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 18/10/2006 01:44:04 Uh, you must be thinking of a different fight. That one was your gatecamp getting baited by Deva Blackfire's Absolution and has nothing to do with the lots v 3 in the belt a day earlier (I have trouble keeping track of all the times I explode too ) None of the footage is really cut at all in Benevolence, short of where I accidentially recorded looting. The late start on the 5 TCF BS playing with the Nanophoon was due to me being stupid, bouncing off the gate and then starting to record. Oops-you're quite right. You were involved in a belt fight where you got another of my 'Geddons but lost a Mega and Raven-thought it was that one which was tons of fun! The Absolution bait fight was more of a spanking really :D
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:26:00 - [25] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 18/10/2006 19:27:51 @Arimai: Yeah, I remember some guy who was a bit too willing to sacrifice himself for me. He had a funny euro accent too. Originally by: ceirwyn Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 18/10/2006 01:44:04 Uh, you must be thinking of a different fight. That one was your gatecamp getting baited by Deva Blackfire's Absolution explode too ) None of the footage is really cut at all in Benevolence, and has nothing to do with the lots v 3 in the belt a day earlier (I have trouble keeping track of all the times I short of where I accidentially recorded looting. The late start on the 5 TCF BS playing with the Nanophoon was due to me being stupid, bouncing off the gate and then starting to record. Oops-you're quite right. You were involved in a belt fight where you got another of my 'Geddons but lost a Mega and Raven-thought it was that one which was tons of fun! The Absolution bait fight was more of a spanking really :D Yeah, no recording of that unfortunately. It wouldn't have been terribly interesting (except for that final shortrange 360 with 10+ ships showing incoming and the overview filing a few seconds later). Most of the fun happened on teamspeak and not on my screen there anyway : we MWD out of range after ganking you "Piltti, you okay?" - "Yeah, I'm clear" "Okay, warping" 10 seconds pass "Crap, Brutix still has a point on - and he's faster" Both having more than Accel Control II or just telling me he wasn't fine would have sufficed for him to live
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 23:09:00 - [26] Originally by: ceirwyn Oops-you're quite right. You were involved in a belt fight where you got another of my 'Geddons but lost a Mega and Raven-thought it was that one which was tons of fun! The Absolution bait fight was more of a spanking really :D It was my first flight into combat with it :) But was surprised with results (ie: tanks like mofo).

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