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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.03.02 01:12:03 -
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Hello everyone!
Uriel here with a drawing I decided to do yesterday of the Iapetan Titans of old after reading Jandice's article on them again. These monstrous beasts are many times larger and immensely more powerful than the second-generation titans we use today (called "promethean" titans), and are posessed only by the empires (save for Khanid's Imud Hubrau and Serpentis's Solteur, the FNS Molleneux).
Here's the Image!
Amarr Iapetan: Imud Hubrau
There were two of these constructed, and according to the Titans chronicle it drained an entire moon of its resources to construct them. During his escape, King Khanid absconded with one of these two; the other is now rumored to be the "Emperor Ship".
Second-Generation Imud Hubrau:
These are the Iapetans the Amarr empire began to construct after the first two; they are reminiscent of the Promethean Amarr titan.
Caldari Iapetan: Omnya
Not much is known at all about this titan, save for the fact that it was constructed during the end of the Caldari-Gallente war in response to the Federation's creation of their own.
Gallente Iapetan: Solteur
This class was designed and constructed during the end of the Caldari-Gallente war; they were mainly used for deterrence. In more modern times, Serpentis CEO Salvador Sarpati successfully hijacked one of these Iapetans, dubbed the "Molleneaux", and escaped to Serpentis Prime.
Additionally, the Federation was fully prepared to use their Solteur wing if the battle of Caldari Prime hadn't gone their way.
Minmatar Iapetan: Leviathan (reimagined name: Precipice)
The Minmatar Iapetans were mainly used by the Thukkers as mobile colonies (but don't doubt their defensive capabilities!). The Gallente shared the technology and designs necessary with the Minmatar early on, leading to these; however, they required a massive amount of resources, prompting the Minmatar to be the first empire to invest in creating the smaller Titans we capsuleers make use of.
I was trying to create a more modern take on the old Titans (I mean, just look at the old omnya), and I included the Promethean titans (look for them near their respective Iapetans!)- I'm in high hopes that they'll make an appearance once more in the future, especially given Falcon's revelation, and I would be massively excited if they returned
Cheers!
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2038
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Posted - 2015.03.02 01:25:40 -
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That's a pretty big brutix |
Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
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Posted - 2015.03.02 01:43:35 -
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Definitely want to fight these as a gigantic PvP, CCP-involved event one day.
Perhaps the return of the Serpentis Solteur? |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:23:12 -
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People with refined taste appreciate a subtle blend of quantity and quality. People with simple taste respond to quantity only, adoring the 'get more for less' marketing ploy, which is really just the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket. Confirming there is no spaceship so large or powerful that someone won't imagine one twice as large.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17283
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:03:17 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:People with refined taste appreciate a subtle blend of quantity and quality. People with simple taste respond to quantity only, adoring the 'get more for less' marketing ploy, which is really just the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket. Confirming there is no spaceship so large or powerful that someone won't imagine one twice as large.
Y'know, these are a confirmed thing in the lore- not my own creation.
And I don't want any player to ever get one- they're for the empires A live event with these would be a blast
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:21:53 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:And I don't want any player to ever get one- they're for the empires A live event with these would be a blast I don't think it would matter. It's too big to fit within the shield protection of a POS, and the owner would be on every watch list across New Eden - so how would you ever logon with it?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
958
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:41:20 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:People with refined taste appreciate a subtle blend of quantity and quality. People with simple taste respond to quantity only, adoring the 'get more for less' marketing ploy, which is really just the rattling of a stick in a swill bucket. Confirming there is no spaceship so large or powerful that someone won't imagine one twice as large.
Y'know, these are a confirmed thing in the lore- not my own creation. And I don't want any player to ever get one- they're for the empires A live event with these would be a blast
To Confirm: trying to talk smack to Uriel on the Lore is a bad idea.
Don't get lost alone
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17283
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Posted - 2015.03.02 04:28:38 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:
To Confirm: trying to talk smack to Uriel on the Lore is a bad idea.
Rowells wrote:That's a pretty big brutix E: just realized those tiny blurbs near them are the Titans capsular era use. Are those anywhere close to scale? If so
You might want to take a look at this mockup I've made
That wreckage is under /res/dx9/model/worldobject/omnya in the game files- it's the last thing in the game that shows anything about the Iapetans.
I took it and compared it to the image of the in-game model it had a long time ago, and it matches a small part of it near-perfectly.
So looking at that, the size of what I drew isn't far-fetched at all!
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Claud Tiberius
Fidelas Constans
101
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Posted - 2015.03.02 04:53:55 -
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You can just imagine ships, gates etc .... all would be pulled in by the ships gravity to smash on the side
Seriously that ship is huge. You could fit a few countries in there.
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1010
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Posted - 2015.03.02 05:14:55 -
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Allant Doran wrote:Definitely want to fight these as a gigantic PvP, CCP-involved event one day. Perhaps the return of the Serpentis Solteur? Imagine a few GMs taking it in shifts so it goes on for days? Wave after wave of AI come warping in to repair the tackled flag ship and fight us off.
Would be good for EVE publicity and maybe some sort of online gaming event record for the longest one.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6332
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Posted - 2015.03.02 05:40:25 -
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Don't forget the Minmatar have been working on a project called "Sky Mother". And page 164 of Templar One has a comment regarding the "plans" the elders have that implies they intend to use it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:15:58 -
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I wonder where they would fit on the spaceship size chart.
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Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:45:12 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Don't forget the Minmatar have been working on a project called "Sky Mother". And page 164 of Templar One has a comment regarding the "plans" the elders have that implies they intend to use it.
This is one of those things I remember reading waaay back and it seems to have vanished.
Isn't the only hint given to Skymother's size that it required FOUR jump cores to be installed? Something like that.
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
773
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:48:13 -
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Wow - thanks for this post. I never knew about this at all. Makes me want to go back and read over more of the chronicles and lore history.
Nice job :)
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AOSA
Atreidun Order
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:13:20 -
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That is an awesome sketch. A long time ago I drew up some concept art for similarly sized warships which I called Planetary Destroyers and Super Planetary Destroyers, mainly to indicate there size rather than function, though their armaments could easily serve such a purpose. I can't find a good scan of them anyway though.. :-/ |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:30:29 -
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So instead of walking in stations we might get flying in stations, nice idea. |
Darren Airtex
Born Imperialism
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:43:49 -
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Imud Hubrau meaning "Beast of Heaven" Soltuer meaning "Sun Slayer"
The Jovian had 3 mammoth motherships that pre-date modern space travel.
Titans had such mind-boggling mass that smaller ships would get caught in the gravity bow-wave they created. There is a record of a Titan that moved into the orbit of planet Goral causing shifts in the planetary patterns causing the flooding of farmlands and the decrease in food production, the entire system almost starved. Since then the Titans had fail-safes installed, preventing them from getting to close to a planet.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2183
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:46:15 -
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That's silly... why would anyone even build ships like that?
Oh well, I guess those are the wonders of a world in which resources respawn after downtime. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
204
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:15:45 -
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A lot of those wrecks are from the before wormhole days. Human ships back then were fully man and with the galaxy being full before eve, bigger ships = more people needed. At this point in out current galaxy Eve does not have the crowding problem the home galaxy had, and fighters these days prefer much small ships, so even if something was built along those lines it'll be another glories yacht with guns.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Anthar Thebess
940
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:17:51 -
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I want event where those ancient mammoths will start to destroy player made outposts. Drop super fleet , and sacrifice most of it to kill one , or loose tons of stations.
Victory!
Wait next one spotted
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Sturmwolke
639
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:50:45 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Amendment: here's an image that shows the size of these things in comparison to current titans- it's comparing the Leviathan to a piece of wreckage labeled "omnya" in the game files- the last vestige of the Iapetans in the game Looks like they pre-designed the "omnya" and sized-up the model, oblivious to proper ship scaling. Titan length protruding pylons? Frontal part doesn't even makes sense. It looks more like an oversized BS than a super-capital.
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Caiman Graystock
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
46
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:06:00 -
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Surely the scale canGÇÖt be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).
One thing I suppose is ships of that size lend some credibility to reports of them having severe affects on planets when getting too close, which was always a confusing statement when linked to the current 20km~ titans.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2039
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:10:14 -
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Caiman Graystock wrote:Surely the scale canGÇÖt be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).
One thing I suppose is ships of that size lend some credibility to reports of them having severe affects on planets when getting too close, which was always a confusing statement when linked to the current 20km~ titans.
There aren't many (as far as we know) and presumably the empires keep them close to hand, otherwise you end like the gallente and handing out free mega-titans to the serpentis. According to the lore as well, they require materials of an entire moon to create and vast amounts of time. Vast amounts being vague enough for you to fill in the blanks with a believable amount. Also, not too unlike capsulaeer titans, they tend to act as deterrants rather then front-line ships (see the gallente deployment of their titans as a back up for the Caldari Prime battle). |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6334
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:19:14 -
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Allant Doran wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Don't forget the Minmatar have been working on a project called "Sky Mother". And page 164 of Templar One has a comment regarding the "plans" the elders have that implies they intend to use it. This is one of those things I remember reading waaay back and it seems to have vanished. Isn't the only hint given to Skymother's size that it required FOUR jump cores to be installed? Something like that.
There was an Eve Chronicle that mentions Sky Mother but I searched for a while yesterday and could not find it.
Towards the end of Templar One, Roden says to Shakor "Sky Mother is in trouble, isn't it?" (Meaning that the attempts of liberation by the Elders and the war may be getting in the way of the project).
It was page 264, not 164 of the book where the "plans" of the Elders were mentioned. "New Eden is dead to them" it was said.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Christine Coirelle
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:31:17 -
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Caiman Graystock wrote:Surely the scale canGÇÖt be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).
They're sort of like nuclear missiles--you don't build an Iapetan to use it, you build an Iapetan to carefully and deliberately not use it. |
Davey Talvanen
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
28
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:14:12 -
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Agondray wrote:A lot of those wrecks are from the before wormhole days. Human ships back then were fully man and with the galaxy being full before eve, bigger ships = more people needed. At this point in out current galaxy Eve does not have the crowding problem the home galaxy had, and fighters these days prefer much small ships, so even if something was built along those lines it'll be another glories yacht with guns.
No these were built by the current empires not the terrane. Anyway a ship that big would probably insta-collapse the EvE gate. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1427
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:52:35 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
There was an Eve Chronicle that mentions Sky Mother but I searched for a while yesterday and could not find it.
This is probably the one you tried to find: Present Pieces
No idea what Skymother is, but could be an Iapetan Titan if you puzzle together the clues. So far, the Miamatar (Thukker) Iapetan Titans differ from the others in that they seem to be built more as a colossal city in space rather than being weapons of war (they're still a formidable powerhouse tho)
Regarding the Jove Titans, they are few in number (3 confirmed) and actually tiny, compared to our capsuleer titans (Jove Titans are 4 km across) Read more about the Jove Motherships (actual name) in their evelopedia article.
Last bit of advice, I've delved deep into the Titan lore & had to go digging into the very archeological depths of internet itself for certain screenshots & info. In other words, Iapetan lore hasn't been looked into a very long time, so if CCP ever decides to do something with them again ingame, there will be undoubtedly things that differ from what they used to be. Latest Iapetan action was in a newsarticle where the Gallente federation readied it's Soltueurs in a border military exersize prior to the Caldari Prime battle.
That said, I'm a supporter of letting the Iapetan Titans keep their current air of mystery as long as CCP feels it's needed. Got to do something about the current state of capitals ingame before introducing something that can act like a station killer & fleet wiper.
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
513
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Posted - 2015.03.02 19:25:09 -
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Caiman Graystock wrote:Surely the scale canGÇÖt be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).
The Amarrian ones drained an entire planet to make just two (as mentioned on the Titans EVE Wiki page) - but given that the Imud Hubrau is designed to keep the entire Amarr Empire running as well as operate as its mobile hq..
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:39:46 -
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They would compare favorably to V'ger of star trek fame, or the first death star. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
101
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:18:54 -
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If anyone actually bother reading the lore, you will see references of the original titans being multiple times larger than our current titans. The cost was so astronomical in nearly bankrupted entire races, and the sizes were so massive that entire planets were affected by their gravity pull.
The current titans were built because they were small, cheap and MUCH more practical.
Also the Jove's have 3 motherships that are supposedly more powerful and MUCh smaller.... Think of the, as current Titan size motherships with a MUCH better doomsday on it... ;) |
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