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Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:17:30 -
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Firstly ISD if this is in the wrong place please move.
Secondly lets say im in high sec with a battleship and want to smart bomb a bunch of frigates or destroyers.
Whats the rules on smart bombing on station or is there a range I need to be.
If im at war and smart bomb a war target off a station say at 100k would concord get involved if there were no other non war targets in range or celestials.
Thanks for your time |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:22:12 -
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afaik you can just smartbomb anywhere
Then watch CONCORD blow you up when you do it in high-sec and hit something random like a billboard
But yeah, you could try hitting only wartargets. |
Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:25:42 -
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Yarda Black wrote:afaik you can just smartbomb anywhere
Then watch CONCORD blow you up when you do it in high-sec and hit something random like a billboard
But yeah, you could try hitting only wartargets.
Thanks for the info.
Im not sure how concord interacts. I thought that being off a station or a gate with no non wt in range its actually feesable.
Im trying to avoid the concord thing if possible |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 09:30:30 -
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warp to jita gate, activate smartbombs and watch the glorious fires
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.03.02 09:42:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Smart bombs are indescriminate; meaning they'll hit whomever is in the circle of explosion. So, if you set one off too near (say) a station, and hit the station or station guns, or a neutral coming out of the station, then you will be afforded the CONCORDed. The same would go for near a gate, with all the cops and CONCORD NPC ships...customs, etc., and of course neutrals coming through the gate randomly in a spherical zone around the gate...hit one of those same result.
Other than that, if you only hit your war targets, no le CONCORDANCE. From what I understand, that is.
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:10:29 -
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theres how to instantly grant stockpile of killrights
1 buy rokh 2. fit 8 large smartbombs all types 3. fit capacitor rechargers/power relays and capacitor rigs (u cant tank concord,anyone but smartbombs eat lot of cap, its meant for quick action) 4. go to jita 4-4 station 5. move away eoungh to activate smartbombs 6. click them all as fast as possible when theres eoungh small ships near you 7. concord willl destroy you in 6 seconds so if there are near you couple of frigates,pods they will die first 8. you will have nice killright collection on you and nice criminal status
optional you can do it in hek or rens where concord response is longer delay so you can hit more targets.
as for the op. shooting wardec targets with smartbombs is very hard if they are sitting stations. you can dream if war target goes to mission and he runs it , you can come and smartbomb him without concord as theres no neutral enviroment in mission sites so evrything can be smartbobmed. in fact, why. smartbombs in highsec are very useless
they work great in lowsec/nullsec and wormhole . |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:15:58 -
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trying to be serious here
We have security switches. I believe i have seen smartbombing which does no damage to anything around. I believe it was because of green SS. It would be good to check if this is correct or not.
Other than that i believe there is minimal distance to gates and stations of 5000m where you cannot activate your smartbomb.
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Jishi Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:24:05 -
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March rabbit wrote: We have security switches. I believe i have seen smartbombing which does no damage to anything around. I believe it was because of green SS. It would be good to check if this is correct or not.
I nominate OP for verifying this claim. |
Arden Elenduil
Laurus Manus Concordia Incorporated II
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:25:06 -
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Smartbombing in highsec generally ends up in disaster and hilarity. Usually both Both is good
Some of my old opponents thought it was a good idea to try smartbombing in my vicinity. My alt/alt's drones soon flew into range of said bombs. |
Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:35:17 -
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Ok
So lets just say I see a WT that is sat 150k off a station.
He has nothing around him within the smartbombs range at all within 50km.
If I activate the smartbomb killing him and podding him outright will concord F me up?.
From whats being said above the answer is no???????????
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Jishi Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:40:45 -
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Summer Rays wrote:Ok
So lets just say I see a WT that is sat 150k off a station.
He has nothing around him within the smartbombs range at all within 50km.
If I activate the smartbomb killing him and podding him outright will concord F me up?.
From whats being said above the answer is no???????????
You are correct. CONCORD will not attack you in this instance. But in reality AFK cloakers are everywhere. Just all around you.
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:44:58 -
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Summer Rays wrote:Ok
So lets just say I see a WT that is sat 150k off a station.
He has nothing around him within the smartbombs range at all within 50km.
If I activate the smartbomb killing him and podding him outright will concord F me up?.
From whats being said above the answer is no???????????
Short answer: No, you should be fine to hit the WT with your smartbombs without getting CONCORDED.
Smartbombs cause aggression only if you do damage to someone, not by simply turning them on.
Note: You will need to put your safety on at least orange to activate smartbombs in high sec.
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Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:54:07 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Summer Rays wrote:Ok
So lets just say I see a WT that is sat 150k off a station.
He has nothing around him within the smartbombs range at all within 50km.
If I activate the smartbomb killing him and podding him outright will concord F me up?.
From whats being said above the answer is no???????????
Short answer: No, you should be fine to hit the WT with your smartbombs without getting CONCORDED. Smartbombs cause aggression only if you do damage to someone, not by simply turning them on. Note: You will need to put your safety off to use smartbombs in high sec. IIRC you cannot use smartbombs in hi-sec with safety on orange like you could another weapon.
Thanks all for your time.
Much appreciated
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:59:48 -
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Summer Rays wrote:Thanks all for your time. Much appreciated
On the assumption you are actually going to go ahead and try this, watch out for;
- Wrecks (except white ones I think) - Cans (except white ones I think) - Gates, notice boards, stations - Non-red NPCs - Mobile deployables
If you accidentally tag one of those then CONCORD will come after you, and they'll be bringing an ass-kicking with them.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:05:27 -
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Wacktopia wrote:... Smartbombs cause aggression only if you do damage to someone, ... Or something. Even if those are for example objects that are not destroyable under normal game conditions. If an activated smartbomb in High Sec has a non valid target present within it's radius of effect, CONCORD joins the party. A similar thing occurs when using ECM burst modules in High Sec.
So effectively you would have to lure your war target out into open empty space as far away from anything and anyone for it to be a viable tactic. That is off course unless your tactic involves losing your ship to CONCORD.
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Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:21:47 -
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The idea came from rooks and kings clarion call 4 but when I saw chars do this in high sec all I saw was them getting concorded.
But then I read you can in high sec but just wanted to clarify the ranges. If it works it will be hilarious and I have frapps ready to post.
Thanks all and ISD |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:50:27 -
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Summer Rays wrote:The idea came from rooks and kings clarion call 4 but when I saw chars do this in high sec all I saw was them getting concorded. But then I read you can in high sec but just wanted to clarify the ranges. If it works it will be hilarious and I have frapps ready to post. Thanks all and ISD
rooks and kings method is different, they use a drag bubble to drag the targets to them into a close perimeter then cyno in and activate bombs and cause glorious fires, nullsec tactics wont work in highsec so wont be near as efficient especially as rooks and kings actually use quite a few battleships to cause the damage
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Summer Rays
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:23:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Summer Rays wrote:The idea came from rooks and kings clarion call 4 but when I saw chars do this in high sec all I saw was them getting concorded. But then I read you can in high sec but just wanted to clarify the ranges. If it works it will be hilarious and I have frapps ready to post. Thanks all and ISD rooks and kings method is different, they use a drag bubble to drag the targets to them into a close perimeter then cyno in and activate bombs and cause glorious fires, nullsec tactics wont work in highsec so wont be near as efficient especially as rooks and kings actually use quite a few battleships to cause the damage
Oh Yes Lan your right on that point. Mine will be different of course. RnK obviously had more, to do a massive of amount of damage no matter what came. Im trying not the same tactic but the idea of smashing a bunch of small ships in one go as where RnK were smashing much large and higher EHP in one go.
I tried to get into my head the fastest way of destroying a large fleet of small ships in the quickest possible time before I die. Thus after going through numerous ideas I came across the RnK one which I had to clarify the options of doing this in high sec.
They seem to have the concept of most chars but one thing came to mind was like in AT5 I think when the BoB rax fleet just mwd as fast as they can to get in close and full dps chars off the field at close range. They didnt mind loosing one on the way as they still had a huge amount of dps. This is pretty much the same with the time of me locking them and potentially killing 1, maybe 2. By that time they will be in optimal and fire like mad idiots.
If they do that again I can just let off all the bombs
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.03.02 14:20:49 -
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March rabbit wrote:trying to be serious here We have security switches. I believe i have seen smartbombing which does no damage to anything around. I believe it was because of green SS. It would be good to check if this is correct or not. Other than that i believe there is minimal distance to gates and stations of 5000m where you cannot activate your smartbomb. you can not activate smartbombs, unless your safety is set to red, even in lowsec |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.02 14:26:06 -
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The way smart bombs work in hs is like this - (1) go to a hub with disco bs, (2) get significantly off station, (3) announce in local that you are giving all your stuff away b/c you quitting eve, (4) jettison lots of cheap stuff e.g. t2 mods, crappy deadspace items, whatever, (5) wait till a large crowd of nubs form around you, (6) start disco party and enjoy.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2015.03.02 14:50:39 -
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I will further validate the non-concord use of smartbombs in hi-sec. I have used it on several occasions to pod a ganker at his safe after activated his killright and blowing up the ganking ship.
Now you have to make sure they are alone and don't have any alts nearby or deployables that don't belong to them. And yes, you have to turn your safety complete off, cause you don't know if someone is cloaked and you could hit them. Otherwise it would be a way to detect cloaked ships. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:12:04 -
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Jishi Padecain wrote:Summer Rays wrote:Ok
So lets just say I see a WT that is sat 150k off a station.
He has nothing around him within the smartbombs range at all within 50km.
If I activate the smartbomb killing him and podding him outright will concord F me up?.
From whats being said above the answer is no???????????
You are correct. CONCORD will not attack you in this instance. But in reality AFK cloakers are everywhere. Just all around you. There's one behind you right now.
That's who keeps saying ouch when I randomly flail my fists about.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:20:32 -
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Problems with using smart bombs.
Using them in a mission or a site and a random grifer/loot thief/ salvaged warps in you get Concorde When in combat many people that lure you into a combat situation in empire usually have alts for some use such as bumping or to confuse your targeting (pre-safety days)
Smart bombs aren't very smart when it comes to it
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4201
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Posted - 2015.03.02 19:03:52 -
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Yarda Black wrote:afaik you can just smartbomb anywhere
Then watch CONCORD blow you up when you do it in high-sec and hit something random like a billboard
But yeah, you could try hitting only wartargets.
Last I tried, you could not use a smartbomb within 5km's of a gate or station. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 21:55:18 -
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OP, if you make a habit of doing this, the war targets will keep a neutral alt, cloaked, right by a potential target, just to trap you.
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2015.03.03 03:32:52 -
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You do have to be careful because the smartbombs reach farther then one might think. I did this once on the jita undock years ago just for the hell of it. http://puu.sh/gkb9E/3ad0add953.jpg
Don't think I even got any kills but it was fun and I think I lived something like 15 seconds. Took one heck of a security hit though as i probably damaged atleast a dozen different ships. |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.03 03:46:28 -
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Rooks and Kings was mentioned here and I like to offer my thoughts a moment, as anybody who follows their Youtube videos will see that they use a relative small number of Battleships (Navy Apocs). And by tanking their ships like they do they can and will do such a massive amount of damage that it would be impossible to escape with a pod as well.
They employ tactics which takes a bit of researching a fitting and as well as the types of Smartbombs that they use, and then throw in the fact they use drag bubbles as well to get their prey and such high numbers as is.
Drag bubbles are only usable in losec and nulsec btw, and in regards to the answer you are looking for, I highly doutb that if you want to do any amount of damage in hisec will work out too good. You might get one shot off and succeed or get a visit by your friendly neighbor Concord officer asking you for your weapons permits.
It's not really worth the time and effort if you want to employ RnK tactics unless you're in a fleet with enough firepower to pull it off. |
Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.03.03 03:55:09 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Drag bubbles are only usable in losec and nulsec btw
Warp disruption fields cannot be used in lowsec space.
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