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Ginsupup
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ginsupup on 13/10/2006 17:01:18
Okay so I am interested in the more tech side of ship fighting. I know a bit about warp scrambling and webstatis. as well as some fo the ecm stuff. but I ahvent' ahd a chance to see or use any cloaking yet. so my question is this. How does cloaking work? Does it make me untargetable? Does it make me harder to hit? what is the difference in cloaking devices and ships that can use them. whats the main difference between covert ops and recon ships. and also what is the warp thingy that one of the recon ships can do?
Any info is welcome I want to figure out of the cloaked ecm support role is for me or is I should go another way.
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:08:00 -
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You are invisible, unscannable, and cannot target nor be targeted while cloaked.
Covert ops are frigates, recons are cruisers.
Any ship can fit a prototype or improved cloak. Only covops and force recons can use covops cloaks. Only the covops cloak allows you to warp while cloaked.
If by "warp thingy" you mean the cyno bonuses, they're largely useless since you cannot have a cloak and a cyno generator at the same time.
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Ginsupup
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:17:00 -
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Thank you so much! good info.
Okay next question, Is it possible to fit cloaking devices on ships other then covert ops and recon ships? I like the idea of being invisable espeicaly since I am new to the game and I figured it would help me keep from gettign ganked too badly while traveling.
Also is it possible to kill anythign with those ships or are they soley for recon based application and ecm/remote modules.
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Dagnis
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:27:00 -
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When u activate a cloaking device u disepear from the overview and in space u are totaly invisible. The only way someone can target u is if u decloak or someone uncloak u (Anything gets within 2500m from u, cans, ships, corpses anything. But it also work the other way around when cloaked u can not use any mods or target anyone.
There are 3 types of cloakes 2 of which u can fit to any ship but wont let u warp while cloaked and u also get a speed penelty depending on the cloak. Also when u uncloak u get a sensor penelty. The third type of cloak is the Covert op cloaking device II which only can be fitted to a covert op frigate or a force recon that gets a ship bonus to covert op cloak cpu need.
Each race have one covert op frigate, one stealth bomber and 2 recons (One combat and one force).
The covert op frigate can fit the covert op cloak so its ideal for scouting and for probing out hosile ships. Note that this is not a combat ship.
The stealth bomber is a frigate that are able to fit cruise missiles (2 launcher for all races except caldari that can fir 3 launchers). It cant fitt the covert op cloak so it cant warp while cloaked but u get a ship bonus to speed while cloaked so if u fitt an improved cloking device ur ship will actually move faster while cloaked then uncloaked with the right lvl.
Recon ships come in 2 types force and combat recon.
Combat recon have better damage then a force recon but cant fit a covert op cloak it also have more shield/armor/structure hp and beter resistance then the force recon.
Force recon is weaker then the combat recon but can fit the covert op cloak so it can warp cloaked. It also gets a cynosural field generation bonus that are used to put up a cynosural field that capital ships use to jump between systems.
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Dagnis
Force recon is weaker then the combat recon but can fit the covert op cloak so it can warp cloaked.
This isn't always the case; for example my Rook (combat recon) has 5 x T2 Heavy launchers so not enough grid left for a decent armour tank, and only 2 low slots means it's just an 800m plate and small armour rep. My Falcon (force recon) doesn't carry any weapons since the number of slots for weapons is embarrasingly low - 2 launchers with no dps buffs unlike the 5 launchers with 25% bonus to kin damage that the combat recon has. Also the falcon has 3 low slots and more grid, so I'm able to fit a 1600m plate and a med repper plus 1 x whatever. Personally I think they got the slot mix mixed up between the rook and falcon.
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Ginsupup
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:58:00 -
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thank you guys for the info. I think I will probably end up running a small covert ops ship for scouting and maybe minor ecm use when in a group. but the idea of a smaller cloaking device on a larger ship is apealing so I can hide when need be. thank you guys for the info.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zakgram
Originally by: Dagnis
Force recon is weaker then the combat recon but can fit the covert op cloak so it can warp cloaked.
This isn't always the case; for example my Rook (combat recon) has 5 x T2 Heavy launchers so not enough grid left for a decent armour tank, and only 2 low slots means it's just an 800m plate and small armour rep. My Falcon (force recon) doesn't carry any weapons since the number of slots for weapons is embarrasingly low - 2 launchers with no dps buffs unlike the 5 launchers with 25% bonus to kin damage that the combat recon has. Also the falcon has 3 low slots and more grid, so I'm able to fit a 1600m plate and a med repper plus 1 x whatever. Personally I think they got the slot mix mixed up between the rook and falcon.
I actually prefer the arazu (force recon) over the lachesis (combat recon). Arazu has 1 less high and mid slot, but one more low, and it can use the cov ops cloak. I generally find the ability to warp while cloaked and thus dictate the terms of the battle greatly outweighs the advantage of 1 more slot.
Of course the arazu is probably one of the best force recons for solo ability. I might have a different opinion if I flew caldari, as the falcon has the DPS of a 4 year old with a whiffle ball bat.
To answer the OP, there are 3 cloaking devices (prototype cloak, improved cloak, and covert ops cloak). All but the covert ops cloak can be fitted to anything. The covert ops cloak is what allows you to warp while cloaked, and it can only be fitted on specialized ships (covert ops frigates and force recon cruisers).
You cannot be targeted while cloaked, nor can you activate any modules or target anyone else while you are cloaked. Youre speed when cloaked is GREATLY reduced unless youre flying a stealth bomber or force recon. Any object (even other players missiles passing by) that gets within 2000 meters of you will decloak you. You therefore have to be very careful how you maneuver if there are hostiles around. You can be 50k away from everything, and all it takes is for 2 guys on either side of you to start lobbing missiles at each other and you will get decloaked if youre between them.
On non specialist ships, cloaks are normally used to hide at safespots, or for snipers to hide in thier snipe spot until something worth engaging is coming through. Covert ops frigates are generally used for scouting and/or using sensor probes, because their combat capabilities are craptastic. Recon ships are much more viable in combat, and in competent hands can be deadly in pvp, as well as being a great asset to any gang.
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ginsupup
thank you guys for the info. I think I will probably end up running a small covert ops ship for scouting and maybe minor ecm use when in a group. but the idea of a smaller cloaking device on a larger ship is apealing so I can hide when need be. thank you guys for the info.
Personally I'd skip the covert-ops ships and jump straight to force recon if you can; at least that way you can use the recon ship for actual combat ops as well (e.g. pilgrim, falcon especially).
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zakgram on 13/10/2006 18:10:53
Originally by: xenodia
Of course the arazu is probably one of the best force recons for solo ability. I might have a different opinion if I flew caldari, as the falcon has the DPS of a 4 year old with a whiffle ball bat.
As a Caldari pilot I aspire to my Falcon gaining the DPS of a 4 year old with a whiffle ball bat, whatever one of those is 
Originally by: xenodia
To answer the OP, there are 3 cloaking devices (prototype cloak, improved cloak, and covert ops cloak).
There are 2 classes of cloak. Covert ops and non-Covert ops cloaks. You can tell the difference because covert ops cloaks generally have 5000 to 10000 cpu requirement and all the others don't. There are more than 2 non-Covert ops cloaks (e.g. Caldari Navy Cloak) - but the ones you commonly see on the market are the proto and improved. As the costs of the improved continue to spiral along with the Covert ops cloaks.
I recommend using proto on ships that aren't in combat - e.g. freighters, traveling battleships etc. Snipers also use them with lots of sensor boosters to combat the negative effects of having one fitted.
Improved are for ships that will be in combat more often and almost always fitted on stealth bombers for the + speed advantage.
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Dagnis
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dagnis on 13/10/2006 18:15:03
Originally by: Zakgram
Originally by: Ginsupup
thank you guys for the info. I think I will probably end up running a small covert ops ship for scouting and maybe minor ecm use when in a group. but the idea of a smaller cloaking device on a larger ship is apealing so I can hide when need be. thank you guys for the info.
Personally I'd skip the covert-ops ships and jump straight to force recon if you can; at least that way you can use the recon ship for actual combat ops as well (e.g. pilgrim, falcon especially).
U need the covert ops skills to be able to fly the recons. But if u ment ships yea, Dont waist any isk or time with a stealth bomber they have paper armor and are in general really crap. The covert ops frig is a very usfull ship to have and u can always buy a covert ops cloak for the covert ops frig and then when u can fly the force recons u can just take it from ur frig.
But i would just buy a new cloak because u will need a cover ops frig at some point
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Dagnis
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dagnis on 13/10/2006 18:21:02
Originally by: Zakgram
I recommend using proto on ships that aren't in combat - e.g. freighters, traveling battleships etc. Snipers also use them with lots of sensor boosters to combat the negative effects of having one fitted.
Freighters dont have any slots at all 
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.14 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dagnis
Edited by: Dagnis on 13/10/2006 18:21:02
Originally by: Zakgram
I recommend using proto on ships that aren't in combat - e.g. freighters
Freighters dont have any slots at all
 Yeah I meant Badgers and the like. It's quite funny that one of the largest ships in the game can't fit a single module - you'd think they'd be able to weld a frigate to the side of it and nobody would notice...
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Xell Chi'an
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Posted - 2006.10.14 08:31:00 -
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I've heard both yes and no from quite a few people on this but:
Can you cloak once you've been targetted?
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chingon
Caldari
Black Knight Buccaneers
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.10.14 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xell Chi'an
I've heard both yes and no from quite a few people on this but:
Can you cloak once you've been targetted?
no.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.10.14 11:34:00 -
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You CAN cloak if you are in the process of getting targeted. For example, if a BS tries to lock you and needs 5 seconds to do so you can cloak during these 5 seconds without problems (the locking attempt of the BS will fail then, just as it would if the target warped away).
Once you have been sucessfully locked you cannot cloak anymore.
What is confusing people here sometimes is the autotargetting. Some are under the impression that it happens when someone starts targetting them - but it happens when somebody has already a lock.
Meaning: when you are targetting a ship back it is not targetting you, too, but has already a lock. Meaning you cannot cloak.
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