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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2051
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:35:09 -
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Just space-bondage. |

MANDIGO COOTERSTANK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:36:07 -
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IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key. |

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
80
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:52:19 -
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MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key.
it is, if they want, if you don't wan't, don't join. simples.
Just Add Water
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2015.03.05 05:40:17 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Yes it's safe, however it's your information and you have the right to keep it private if you want to.
Moreover, if someone wants it with no expiry that is potentially suspect, there's little reason for anyone to want to continuously look into everything you're doing in game.
Personally I've always felt really dubious about people who want to be able to read your mails, as if it's totally normal to want to read other people's private communications.
Wrong. A lot of forums, intel channels, markets, etc, run from the API key which must be set not to expire.
No one is going to 'keep looking' at it, but the system/software will, to make sure you have the proper 'credentials' to be using those services. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1942
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Posted - 2015.03.05 06:38:57 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote: Wrong. A lot of forums, intel channels, markets, etc, run from the API key which must be set not to expire.
No one is going to 'keep looking' at it, but the system/software will, to make sure you have the proper 'credentials' to be using those services.
Amazingly, none of those services need any information from the API at all in order to operate. It's simply a made up requirement because 'you need to prove you are trustworthy', while the directors never have to prove that you can trust them in return. It's a one way street, feudalism, and it only works because most of the Null sec alliance members are sheep prepared to accept feudalism. |

ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
850
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Posted - 2015.03.05 08:17:25 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote: Wrong. A lot of forums, intel channels, markets, etc, run from the API key which must be set not to expire.
No one is going to 'keep looking' at it, but the system/software will, to make sure you have the proper 'credentials' to be using those services.
Amazingly, none of those services need any information from the API at all in order to operate. It's simply a made up requirement because 'you need to prove you are trustworthy', while the directors never have to prove that you can trust them in return. It's a one way street, feudalism, and it only works because most of the Null sec alliance members are sheep prepared to accept feudalism.
Ok ok look, a full api really isnt absolutly needed, but as said before its easier to just ask for everything than pick out the few things not needed (as already stated)
As for what you said above, my old corp (not even alliance) had a forum that you could only join if you were in the corp. Had a ship doctrine tool that would show what you could fly. A buy back programe, ship replacement, gambaling hall, and a bunch of other stuff... all run off the API... The leadership could also track K/d and a bunch of other stuff not to kick people out (never did that) but to rewqard those that put in effort towards the corp...
API's are really useful. Simple as that really.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
82
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Posted - 2015.03.05 09:01:01 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: It's simply a made up requirement because 'you need to prove you are trustworthy', while the directors never have to prove that you can trust them in return
then why did you even bothered applying to them in the 1st place if from the start you don't even trust them already? 
you're wierd dude....
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
274
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Posted - 2015.03.05 10:18:01 -
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If you're using your alt on that same account to shitpost a lot, it's probably a bad idea to give out your API key. That's pretty much the only reason why multiple accounts are so popular in Eve.
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
123
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:01:17 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:It's safe.
Just don't put anything personal or RL related in your eve mails and there's no problem.
If you have any concerns, ask the recruiter exactly what they are going to use it for.
Most of them will have no clue.
But they aren't a huge risk, just an inconvenience.
you're fit ...
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
6308
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:07:51 -
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API keys are like facebook, except you can't put false information in because the server feeds them your information automatically.
and it's revealing information on a snowden level.
Cat? I'm a kitty cat
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
6308
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:08:48 -
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Leannor wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:It's safe.
Just don't put anything personal or RL related in your eve mails and there's no problem.
If you have any concerns, ask the recruiter exactly what they are going to use it for.
Most of them will have no clue.
But they aren't a huge risk, just an inconvenience. you're fit ...  spie detected.
Cat? I'm a kitty cat
and I dancedancedance
and I BURN YOUR EYES
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
6308
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:09:52 -
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MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key. true words of wisdom(no jokes here, seriously)
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31293
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:14:19 -
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Thora Zhubilai wrote:Has nothing to do with safe or not... can i have Full API from CEO?...no, sure not.
Trust me or trust me not...simple as that. Yeah not that simple. This is Eve. When you get to the point that the alliance you built over a few years is throwing around hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships, one pissed off sperg leaking intel because he got called a name would ruin it all, and it couldn't be prevented because an API wasn't in hand to see said sperg mailing people about an OP to third party on.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
64
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Posted - 2015.03.05 18:22:12 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote: Wrong. A lot of forums, intel channels, markets, etc, run from the API key which must be set not to expire.
No one is going to 'keep looking' at it, but the system/software will, to make sure you have the proper 'credentials' to be using those services.
Amazingly, none of those services need any information from the API at all in order to operate. It's simply a made up requirement because 'you need to prove you are trustworthy', while the directors never have to prove that you can trust them in return. It's a one way street, feudalism, and it only works because most of the Null sec alliance members are sheep prepared to accept feudalism.
Wrong, i know for a fact it's needed... Heck i checked 10 minutes ago... yupp, API key is still needed for what i was doing using one of the services of the CFC.
Also everyone i know is required to provide it, from the recruit to the CEO of every single corp. Only people that have something to hide are worried. 99% of the other's are completely fine and there's ZERO issues. If you can't trust them... why should they trust you? |

Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2015.03.05 18:57:28 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote: If you can't trust them... why should they trust you?
Exactly!!!!
If you are the CEO, director or whomever is in charge of recruitment and cannot trust the new members why should they trust you?
Bingo!
Dito!

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1622
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:31:38 -
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Bloody Slave wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote: If you can't trust them... why should they trust you? Exactly!!!! If you are the CEO, director or whomever is in charge of recruitment and cannot trust the new members why should they trust you?Bingo! Dito! 
They kinda have to trust you since they are joining your corp. If you don't trust your leadership, don't join the corp/alliance... |

Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
14
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Posted - 2015.03.07 00:20:26 -
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Storm Novah wrote:No Class wrote:So i'm looking for a new corp, but on the adverts i'm seeing almost all of them want my FULL API key. Is this safe? Can anything bad come of this? I agree with previous posters. Be careful of the information you share in game in any form. As for the API requests I honestly don't see any reason that a 100% full API is necessary for any corp. IMO it's nobody's business what is in the wallet or assets and as such I never include that information in my submitted APIs for any corp. If a corp "requires" that info I take that as a red flag... while it's not always the case there are corps out there that are more interested in looking for victims than seeking new contributing members. Other than that the API key does NOT give anyone access to your account login information and you can control every aspect of the API key and the information it gives. Anyways... good luck.
Any corp that fields capitals (and especially supers) will want your asset and transaction info, as that is a very easy way of catching careless/lazy spies. |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
389
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:12:13 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Full APIs are unnecessary, and any CEO asking for one demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the game sufficient to call his or her competence into question. Should a corp ask it of you, take that in consideration and ask yourself if you really want to be part of a group if their leadership is so...questionable. So apparently everyone better than you, including all the large nullsec organizations, are incompetent. Of course. But he is right APIs are completely unnecessary..."Everyone does it" isn't good enough. Please tell me now how "You will never get into a good corp, bla, bla bla"...I don't believe that and don't care anyway...
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Josef Djugashvilis
2911
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Posted - 2015.03.08 00:21:20 -
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I would not wish to join any corp that demands to to be allowed to read my eve-mails about how well or not Ireland are doing in the 6 Nations, and they would not allow me to join unless they can read my eve-mails.
Works well for both parties really.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
88
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Posted - 2015.03.08 04:14:37 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I would not wish to join any corp that demands to to be allowed to read my eve-mails about how well or not Ireland are doing in the 6 Nations, and they would not allow me to join unless they can read my eve-mails.
Works well for both parties really.
why, something kinky going on in there? 
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No Class
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:06:41 -
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MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key.
To me this is a key point. When i have joined past corporations, I start with no roles and responsibilities. Basically, you start at the bottom of the ranks and have to prove yourself worthy to work your way up. That being said, you guys have made it pretty clear that an API key is not necessary in this instance of corp recruitment. Thanks for all the info though. Very educational to see all this input on the subject. |

Oraac Ensor
608
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:17:29 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Trusting someone you don't know is plain stupid. Exactly.
The number one reason why nobody gets my API (except possibly the guy who built this computer for me). |

Errata Sum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:32:59 -
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Never given out my full API, never will.
Inb4 NPC corp comments. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
850
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:19:22 -
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One point not made here... Asking for a full api then receiving a partial or lip service/internet lawyering is a sign that a potential recruit may be more trouble than they are worth.
Think about some of the hostile responses in this topic. If asking for something simple like a full api results in such hostility, what will happen when you ask them to help or be a part of an arduous move operation? If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands? If they are such a special snowflake that they must be given special treatment during recruiting, then will they be such a prima donna during normal Corp life that it becomes problematic?
In other words, it's not just about what the key grants access to, but your own behavior to the request itself. And yes, this may sound like me saying be a sheep. However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey. I'm only pointing out that your behavior to this request will be judge to see if you are a fit for the Corp. |

Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:43:40 -
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I wonder how many players sell API details... 
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Oraac Ensor
608
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:38:56 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands?
>>>
However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey. Instructions????? Obey????? Jeez ... the arrogance. |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:21:38 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:One point not made here... Asking for a full api then receiving a partial or lip service/internet lawyering is a sign that a potential recruit may be more trouble than they are worth.
Think about some of the hostile responses in this topic. If asking for something simple like a full api results in such hostility, what will happen when you ask them to help or be a part of an arduous move operation? If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands? If they are such a special snowflake that they must be given special treatment during recruiting, then will they be such a prima donna during normal Corp life that it becomes problematic?
In other words, it's not just about what the key grants access to, but your own behavior to the request itself. And yes, this may sound like me saying be a sheep. However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey. I'm only pointing out that your behavior to this request will be judge to see if you are a fit for the Corp. What crap. You are saying not wanting to give away personal information about my account is the same as disobeying their FC in a fleet? It's not as you say "they can't follow a simple rule". It is rather they don't WANT to follow a stupid demand for personal information. Hardly the same as following commands when "playing a bloody game".
Just an absolute stupid comparison... |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1745
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:14:50 -
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No Class wrote:MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key. To me this is a key point. When i have joined past corporations, I start with no roles and responsibilities. Basically, you start at the bottom of the ranks and have to prove yourself worthy to work your way up. That being said, you guys have made it pretty clear that an API key is not necessary in this instance of corp recruitment. Thanks for all the info though. Very educational to see all this input on the subject.
that statement could not be more wrong
it's very simple
if there is a corp that's letting you in without checking your API first, you don't want to be a part of that corp if you plan to be anything more than a highsec lvl2 mission runner
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2079
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Posted - 2015.03.12 04:36:53 -
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If you want to join a corporation and the recruiter can actually give you a sincere reason why he wants an API and can explain what he wants to look at and you don't object to him looking at those things there's no reason not to submit one.
However I give out the API of my spy alts all the time to highsec corporations and it doesn't prevent anything. Hell I don't know what they're even doing with them once I give them it. |

Leannor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2015.03.12 09:38:08 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you want to join a corporation and the recruiter can actually give you a sincere reason why he wants an API and can explain what he wants to look at and you don't object to him looking at those things there's no reason not to submit one.
However I give out the API of my spy alts all the time to highsec corporations and it doesn't prevent anything. Hell I don't know what they're even doing with them once I give them it.
not even sure they know.
It's the Erin Brockovich effect ... information deluge.
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