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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:12:13 -
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Hi Capsuleers,
I was wandering ...
why a dedicated mining vessel like the Orca (what is a industrial ship)
does not have his own special Orca strip miner
it can do various tasks, but mining is a no go aria
it can boost
ik can ship vessels
has a huge cargo hold
can fit a lot of goody stuf ,
but a strip miner is a thing the builders never heard of
it can allready use mining drones
and when you use a strip miner on that vessel it can not give boost to others,
just one orca strip miner is that so much to ask for ??on a ore ship,
used for boosting miners
and is in general use for mining
it is a industrial ship
why not use it as a industrial ship
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:13:16 -
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The Orca is not a dedicated mining vessel. It's a dedicated industrial command vessel.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:20:45 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The Orca is not a dedicated mining vessel. It's a dedicated industrial command vessel.
sure but you can use a catalyst with mining lasers.... for mining..... so ,it is not impossible |
Winters Chill
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:40:18 -
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Wait until medium mining drones are out then you can mine in your flying pinyata until your heart is satisfied. |
NovaCat13
Full Spectrum Inc
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:43:28 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The Orca is not a dedicated mining vessel. It's a dedicated industrial command vessel. sure but you can use a catalyst with mining lasers.... for mining..... so ,it is not impossible
Lots of things can use mining drones, a few can boost, doesn't make the Proteus a dedicated mining ship. Also it's kind of the same reason the Space Shuttle isn't actually a good idea, if you need to haul, get a hauler, if you need to simply send people into space send something smaller.
Let actual dedicated mining vessels mine. |
Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:46:10 -
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Mining in a Rokh was a great idea back then
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:51:19 -
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CCP is saving you the trouble from getting ganked in a mining Orca. You should be thankful.
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:53:07 -
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It's not designed to mine. It's designed to facilitate the mining of others.
Quite frankly there's no room on the ship for the systems to support a mining laser (much less a strip miner) or the processing and loading systems that would need to go with said laser. The whole ship is basically a command deck welded to a bunch of cargo holds and a spacious area to serve as a maintenance bay for other ships.
There's no room for mining lasers and strip miners.
I voted for Sabriz Adoudel for CSM10. You should too.
www.minerbumping.com
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 14:58:57 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:It's not designed to mine. It's designed to facilitate the mining of others.
Quite frankly there's no room on the ship for the systems to support a mining laser (much less a strip miner) or the processing and loading systems that would need to go with said laser. The whole ship is basically a command deck welded to a bunch of cargo holds and a spacious area to serve as a maintenance bay for other ships.
There's no room for mining lasers and strip miners.
i have ONE account :))
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:04:54 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:
i have ONE account :))
Then use it as a fleet booster for others and charge members a portion of their ore for your services or hop into a Mining Barge and have someone else act as the commander.
The Orca is designed for large mining operations with a fleet of mining ships. It's not a ship for lone wolves to mine in.
I voted for Sabriz Adoudel for CSM10. You should too.
www.minerbumping.com
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:06:03 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:CCP is saving you the trouble from getting ganked in a mining Orca. You should be thankful.
So I must be thankfull ?
And who is paying their bills ?
perhaps i want something in return also...
if you have one account you can t do both..mining and boosting
retrievers are ganked by the numbers and i do not even mention covetors
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:07:15 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:11:32 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Zealous Miner wrote:It's not designed to mine. It's designed to facilitate the mining of others.
Quite frankly there's no room on the ship for the systems to support a mining laser (much less a strip miner) or the processing and loading systems that would need to go with said laser. The whole ship is basically a command deck welded to a bunch of cargo holds and a spacious area to serve as a maintenance bay for other ships.
There's no room for mining lasers and strip miners. i have ONE account :))
good for you.
if people could mine in an orca decently enough it wouldn't be just you doing it, it would be done in mass and I would love for my orca which can hold about 179km3 to be able to mine like a barge. we have enough of an overflow problem with industry as there are people with many alts mining and building so much at 1 time. several people have commented on the ridiculous amount of ships and other things they can build with their alts.
more people need to have only 1 character instead of the game going by "you want to do something else, get another account"
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:18:29 -
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Agondray wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:Zealous Miner wrote:It's not designed to mine. It's designed to facilitate the mining of others.
Quite frankly there's no room on the ship for the systems to support a mining laser (much less a strip miner) or the processing and loading systems that would need to go with said laser. The whole ship is basically a command deck welded to a bunch of cargo holds and a spacious area to serve as a maintenance bay for other ships.
There's no room for mining lasers and strip miners. i have ONE account :)) good for you. if people could mine in an orca decently enough it wouldn't be just you doing it, it would be done in mass and I would love for my orca which can hold about 179km3 to be able to mine like a barge. we have enough of an overflow problem with industry as there are people with many alts mining and building so much at 1 time. several people have commented on the ridiculous amount of ships and other things they can build with their alts. more people need to have only 1 character instead of the game going by "you want to do something else, get another account"
there could be a solution
Or use one account and your first alt can boost
that more practical also
its all about the money is it...
well not for me ..
one account is enough
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:19:10 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:CCP is saving you the trouble from getting ganked in a mining Orca. You should be thankful. So I must be thankfull ? And who is paying their bills ? perhaps i want something in return also... if you have one account you can t do both..mining and boosting retrievers are ganked by the numbers and i do not even mention covetors
Everyone is paying the bills, and people that multibox pay more bills than you.
Eve is a multiplayer game, and bonuses are meant for groups of people.
Fleet bonuses are there to promote group behavior, not boost lone wolves.
You are entitled to nothing.
As you must be new; welcome to eve, I hope you enjoy your stay
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:22:32 -
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Yeah its definitely not a mining vessel.
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:35:36 -
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Zimmer Jones wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:CCP is saving you the trouble from getting ganked in a mining Orca. You should be thankful. So I must be thankfull ? And who is paying their bills ? perhaps i want something in return also... if you have one account you can t do both..mining and boosting retrievers are ganked by the numbers and i do not even mention covetors Everyone is paying the bills, and people that multibox pay more bills than you. Eve is a multiplayer game, and bonuses are meant for groups of people. Fleet bonuses are there to promote group behavior, not boost lone wolves. You are entitled to nothing. As you must be new; welcome to eve, I hope you enjoy your stay
you call me a "lone wolve" because i have ONE account ..(is that what you mean,)
and i do not pay? , i pay to, i never have had the chance to get a plex (i live in HS)
well thank you...
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:41:50 -
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Skill train into something else, perhaps!!!
Or... sell the Orca or give it away, if you don't intend to use it for what it's actually good for 
EVEBoard ...Just over 18million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.03 15:48:50 -
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Celise Katelo wrote:Skill train into something else, perhaps!!! Or... sell the Orca or give it away, if you don't intend to use it for what it's actually good for
understood,
but is it not asking a judge..... to go driving a mini van instead ....
it is all about possibilities
dont think personal..... think about the game |
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
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Posted - 2015.03.03 16:03:29 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Celise Katelo wrote:Skill train into something else, perhaps!!! Or... sell the Orca or give it away, if you don't intend to use it for what it's actually good for understood, but is it not asking a judge..... to go driving a mini van instead ....
it is all about possibilities dont think personal..... think about the game
Oh we are, but Orca has its role, and it's doing that role very well.
No need to make it a All-in-one mining ship. All it would need is a compression array
EDIT: Oh, and isn't it also quite personal thinking to want to use a Fleet designed ship as a Solo ship? |
Arden Elenduil
Laurus Manus Concordia Incorporated II
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Posted - 2015.03.03 16:07:16 -
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Sheesh, the sense of entitlement in some people. Eve is a MULTIPLAYER game... |
Madd Adda
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:04:49 -
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if this happens then what about Rorquals? you want them too to be an all in one mining machine? Orcas are not miners, they buff miners, big difference
Carebear extraordinaire
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Kassix
Corvus Legion
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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:52:09 -
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I was thinking about this myself and came up with an idea that could work.
Since most Orca fits use a tractor in the high slot, which isn't as important now with MTUs (though target selection is something you lose out on), that leaves a "free" high slot. Not many people use the capacitor link anyway.
So. Make a new module that uses that high slot. Kind of like the industrial core, or a bastion, or the others.
Requires Industrial Command I (needed for Orca and Rorqual anyway)
Can only be fit to Orca and Rorqual.
PG 200 CPU 100 (twice the fit of a link)
Limit 1 fitted.
Gives mining drones a 100% yield bonus per level of Industrial Command.
Boom. Done.
Even if you fit mining drone rigs (2T2 and 1T1), drone navigation and control range modules, and harvester drones (over 1 bil ISK), you're still not touching a T2 barge level mining. Might be at the T1 barge with three T1 strip miners if you max out the related drone and industrial command skills.
Not as good as a barge. Better than sitting there even more bored than the miners. |
Invader Skiz
Corvus Legion
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:28:14 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:It's not designed to mine. It's designed to facilitate the mining of others.
Quite frankly there's no room on the ship for the systems to support a mining laser (much less a strip miner) or the processing and loading systems that would need to go with said laser. The whole ship is basically a command deck welded to a bunch of cargo holds and a spacious area to serve as a maintenance bay for other ships.
There's no room for mining lasers and strip miners.
So you mean a massive "Nearly almost all empty cargo space" orca that's larger than any barge in existance, has no space for a few strip mining lasers and supporting equipment among all those empty cargo hulls? ...Pretty bad analysis |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:42:01 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:
you call me a "lone wolve" because i have ONE account ..(is that what you mean,)
and i do not pay? , i pay to, i never have had the chance to get a plex (i live in HS)
well thank you...
nope called a lone wolf because you want to play solo in a COMMAND CAPITAL ship, mining rocks......
That is not what it is for and nver should be. It is for the Boosting, combat drone support, and ability to hold some ships for possible combat or what not have you. It is a support and Command ship. The other thing it does well for a Fleet is have cargo room for the entire fleet to put its rocks into.
No you can not have mining lasers on an Orca, get a barge/exhumer and have it.
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:10:24 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Celise Katelo wrote:Skill train into something else, perhaps!!! Or... sell the Orca or give it away, if you don't intend to use it for what it's actually good for understood, but is it not asking a judge..... to go driving a mini van instead ....
it is all about possibilities dont think personal..... think about the game
The orca is a support vessel. Sure, you can mine it, but it misses the point.
Think of it this way: sure, you can drive a mini-van at top speed down the highway, but to complain to the manufacturer that your mini-van was outpaced by a Lamborghini is a bit silly.
Now, if you are going to mine in an industrial... I would suggest fitting TII miners onto a Miasmos and mining in that. Or, if you care about volume as well as capacity, mine in a tanked Retriever. If you mine in an area with gankers, use a Procurer or Skiff.
The correct tools are in the game, but asking for a capital mining laser (ah... yes, I would not mind one myself) just to use your Orca like an Uber Hulk is like saying your saw needs a flat end so you can hammer nails. |
Thonys Visser
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:55:21 -
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Arden Elenduil wrote:Sheesh, the sense of entitlement in some people. Eve is a MULTIPLAYER game...
Well i think you have a wrong idea about the interpretation of the term Multi - Player game
in my eyes a multi player game is a game where you CAN play with other people in a sandbox
but that does not mean you play it together all the time ..
i am more on my own with no members to play with, because they are at work or sleep...
you can also play it on your own
with just one account
on your own in a belt, with no other corp members around
with one account you can :
you can pvp on your own
you can do pi on your own
you can do pve on your own
but mining is a hell .....on your own
i do really think that young miners are in need to the opportunity to grow in their mining profession
(otherwise why is their a mining faction, called the gallente.... miners by birth)
personal,i am at the end of the line and on a normal day i earn about 25 mil of isk in HS (when i am not ganked or disturbed)
it is in need of more diverse ships
or a (bigger) multi purpose ship
some thing has to be done,and i am not going to wait another year there are more games on the horizen.
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