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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:06:48 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
There's no hero worship involved, Dr. Tukoss is an important man, and he cannot be allowed to be condemned and discredited, especially due to the fact he's currently being held somewhere against his will by an unknown party.
Hes being "discredited" by the Caldari. That hardly counts for anything.
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Zero Vigilant
Titanium Resolve Mobius Confederacy
31
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:28:33 -
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We must remember that he has been apprehended, thus it would be appropriate to consider him compromised but revoking citizenship...
EDIT: My inability to read has failed me once more, I just noticed now that someone already mentioned that he has been captured. But, it still never hurts to remind you. |
Eojek
Starlight Moly
68
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:30:43 -
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Stripping him of his "ciitzanship" is little more than a symbolic gesture of displeasure over his presence. His capsule contract is likely in good standing, and if not, is a small matter to negotiate his contract. His citizanship to any of the empires is easily shifted, be those empires Matarii, Gallante, Amarr, or Minmatar, or any of the other empires outside the big four. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2015.03.07 18:51:14 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:As far as I'm aware Mr. Tukoss is a capsuleer under CONCORD, if so then he can just claim the same extralegal and extraterritorial rights any CONCORD registered capsuleer can claim when operating in the areas of CONCORD signatories which makes the revoking of his Ishukone corporate citizenship a symbolic gesture unless Mr. Tukoss decides legal rights in the Caldari State is of importance. True. Except that his capsuleer status might have been quietly revoked.
If they're afraid that he's been ... well, somethinged, by the Sleepers or some other, unknown power, I can't imagine they'd want him to have access to capsuleer resources.
At a guess, they're probably not planning to kill him. That would be a waste; I agree with Dr. Borkstar that far. It would be more practical for them to be preparing the legal framework for his detention.
This has the potential to be a problem on a different order from the likes of Nauplius, so if they can do it, I suspect they'd do it now.
Just because they generally don't doesn't mean that they can't. |
Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 11:30:32 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:True. Except that his capsuleer status might have been quietly revoked. If they're afraid that he's been ... well, somethinged, by the Sleepers or some other, unknown power, I can't imagine they'd want him to have access to capsuleer resources. At a guess, they're probably not planning to kill him. That would be a waste; I agree with Dr. Borkstar that far. It would be more practical for them to be preparing the legal framework for his detention. Just because they generally don't doesn't mean that they can't.
Exactly. Which is why we need to get to him first, and get him to safety first.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
2282
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Posted - 2015.03.11 14:05:21 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:True. Except that his capsuleer status might have been quietly revoked. If they're afraid that he's been ... well, somethinged, by the Sleepers or some other, unknown power, I can't imagine they'd want him to have access to capsuleer resources. At a guess, they're probably not planning to kill him. That would be a waste; I agree with Dr. Borkstar that far. It would be more practical for them to be preparing the legal framework for his detention. Just because they generally don't doesn't mean that they can't. Exactly. Which is why we need to get to him first, and get him to safety first.
Nah, just shoot him and examine the corpse - Trust me, I have experience with weird brain strangeness. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
193
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Posted - 2015.03.11 14:16:10 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:True. Except that his capsuleer status might have been quietly revoked. If they're afraid that he's been ... well, somethinged, by the Sleepers or some other, unknown power, I can't imagine they'd want him to have access to capsuleer resources. At a guess, they're probably not planning to kill him. That would be a waste; I agree with Dr. Borkstar that far. It would be more practical for them to be preparing the legal framework for his detention. Just because they generally don't doesn't mean that they can't. Exactly. Which is why we need to get to him first, and get him to safety first. Nah, just shoot him and examine the corpse - Trust me, I have experience with weird brain strangeness.
Can i do the shooting? I am good at that.... |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
291
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Posted - 2015.03.11 14:26:56 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:You have to be a government to be able to grant citizenship, Borkstar.
You also have to be someone that cares about human rights to protect them. We act as a government in Anoikis for a few systems. I also care deeply about human rights, when the situation suits me, of course.
You ACT as a government?
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Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3447
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:09:28 -
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Big bad Caldari being mean to Tukoss. Better try to save him, because those dirty CaldarI would never have a good reason for trying to keep him out of the State!
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Tykari
The Observatory Celestial Imperative
162
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:53:43 -
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Chances are that the State like many others, simply believed Tukoss to be dead, and now with some evidence to the contrary they are doing that which I'm sure they wanted to do ever since he defected. Probably the only reason it didn't happen was because it was a rather minor event given everything else that was happening in the State during that time.
Does it change anything? Not sure that it does. There is a chance he is still alive and a chance he might escape from whoever or whatever has been holding him captive. And if and when he does I'm sure we'll find out more, assuming he lives that long.
I do find it interesting that Eifyr & Co say they have heard nothing from him since his disappearance. About a year after his disappearance I reached out, in a futile bid to find out something, to the Minmatar Republic representative Abja Etbald. As expected she couldn't discuss it, although she did assure me he was well. When I pushed further she simply responded by saying that he wasn't missing and that was that.
So either they were lying, which doesn't strike me as unlikely although I don't really see why it would be necesarry to claim he was fine, or the Minmatar Republic, like many of the Empires, has been keeping secrets and know more about what is going on, what Tukoss was doing and possibly how he could have gotten captured in the first place.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
999
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Posted - 2015.03.12 17:18:00 -
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Tykari wrote:Chances are that the State like many others, simply believed Tukoss to be dead, and now with some evidence to the contrary they are doing that which I'm sure they wanted to do ever since he defected. Probably the only reason it didn't happen was because it was a rather minor event given everything else that was happening in the State during that time.
Does it change anything? Not sure that it does. There is a chance he is still alive and a chance he might escape from whoever or whatever has been holding him captive. And if and when he does I'm sure we'll find out more, assuming he lives that long.
I do find it interesting that Eifyr & Co say they have heard nothing from him since his disappearance. About a year after his disappearance I reached out, in a futile bid to find out something, to the Minmatar Republic representative Abja Etbald. As expected she couldn't discuss it, although she did assure me he was well. When I pushed further she simply responded by saying that he wasn't missing and that was that.
So either they were lying, which doesn't strike me as unlikely although I don't really see why it would be necesarry to claim he was fine, or the Minmatar Republic, like many of the Empires, has been keeping secrets and know more about what is going on, what Tukoss was doing and possibly how he could have gotten captured in the first place.
I think that the Minmatar were least concerned about the appearance of the Drifters and their structures too, maybe they know more than we think.
I do wonder about the cloning tech in use by the Drifter pilots. So far I don't believe any bodies have been recovered from the wrecked ships? Are these actually clones or mrely bio-mechanical constructs to allow the projection of a sleeper consciousness into a physical form?
Perhaps Eifyr & Co have been wondering the same...
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
362
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:01:30 -
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You fellows seem to forget what the Minmatar are like. The Minmatar Republic especially likes to believe that we are independent and self-sufficient and wouldn't raise a fuss in order to maintain the image.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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