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Saede Riordan Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 7513	Posted - 2015.03.12 03:32:49 - [1] - Quote Greetings. I am Saede Riordan Sgathiach Vele'kor Sebiestor. I beg the forgiveness of my elders if my voice comes out of turn but my love of my tribe and people forces me to speak on a grave matter that concerns us all. I understand fully that by presenting this here, I am going over the heads of the subtribe and tribal leaders who should have had the ultimate decision to share or withhold the information I must now present. The reason for this breach of conduct will soon become clear, as time was of the utmost importance in this grave matter. Eram, the seat of our tribe and the home of our elders, is in grave danger. I must present the unfortunate truth, the Eram system has a gun pointed at its head. That gun is the Site One facility, location of the Arek'Jaalan research project, and former home of the now missing Hilen Tukoss. The case I make is simple, the explosion witnessed during the month of November has been shown by the SOE to be the destruction of W477-P's star, a K5 Red Giant. Eram's sun is also a K5 Red Giant, thus it is clearly possible to induce in such a star a supernova level event. If this event was to occur in the midst of the Matari core worlds, the effects would be cataclysmic to the whole of the Matari people. The case grows more grave still, because the weapon that could be used to induce this destructive even may have been sitting in plain sight this entire time. The Acceleration gate within Site One, supposedly has been under construction for over two years. But it does not take 2+ years to build a single acceleration gate. The same structures that are present within acceleration gates are also present within talocan static gates, which appear to be the devices used to create wormholes, spacial rifts, and possibly, to bring about the already seen main sequence events. If the acceleration gate within site one is not actually unfinished, but is actually reconfigured to act as a Talocan static gate, then all that need happen is a supply of isogen-5 be delivered to Site One, and the result could be the destruction of the Sebiestor tribe, if not the whole of the Matari people. I beg the tribal elders take this matter with grave concern. Deploy the tribal defense forces into Site One and dismantle it completely. Leave nothing but empty space where the facility once stood, but do so with great caution, that the weapon is not used when those who created it feel threatened. It may in fact be necessary to evacuate as many people as possible from Eram, while the situation there remains stable. The Eram star is not safe, as can clearly be seen with the fate of W477-P. We would be wise to heed that event, lest we become its second victims. Humbly, Saede Riordan Sgathiach Vele'kor Sebiestor Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Anslo Scope Works Overload Everything 31742	Posted - 2015.03.12 03:40:02 - [2] - Quote Touch it and I'll shred everything and every one you send. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2015.03.12 03:59:07 - [3] - Quote Anslo wrote: Touch it and I'll shred everything and every one you send. We will build more ships out of every wreck you leave behind and try again. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 518	Posted - 2015.03.12 03:59:20 - [4] - Quote Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 834	Posted - 2015.03.12 04:22:47 - [5] - Quote Between IRED and ALXVP, man, Scope Works is really rushing out there doing some awesome work. Looking forward to seeing those two poor organizations collapsing and closing their doors shortly. In an entirely serious note. Saede makes an excellent point one which should be given consideration. The fact the stars are the same type is most likely not a coincidence considering the sleeper connection.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 359	Posted - 2015.03.12 04:32:14 - [6] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 520	Posted - 2015.03.12 04:39:35 - [7] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club. Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour. Anyway! While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 359	Posted - 2015.03.12 04:43:12 - [8] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club. Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour. Problem? Show up at area with problem and exacerbate the problem. Draw attention to self. That's what it looks like to me. I say start evacuating first, dismantle second. We do not know if the device is rigged to activate at the slightest provocation. Might want to set up a quarantine zone while the evacuation is in progress. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Sarasvazhi Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:11:59 - [9] - Quote The purpose of an acceleration gate is to move materials from the location of the gate to some other place. Perhaps such a gate could inject mass/energy into a star sufficient to trigger gravitational collapse. However, it does not appear that such mass/energy presently exists in the Site One facility. The Seeker and Drifter civilizations possess an ability to open wormholes and transfer mass/energy to arbitrary locations within our cluster. That capability renders the Site One acceleration gate superfluous to such purpose. Admittedly, Site One may be an attractive target. An evacuation may be warranted. But the Seeker and Drifter civilizations are not solely interested in Site One. If they possess genocidal intent, destroying that facility would not eliminate their interest in other parts of our cluster. On the assumption that Site One is a point of interest to them, it would therefore serve us well to understand the nature of that interest. Destroying the facility would extinguish any opportunity to do so.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Overload Everything 160	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:23:59 - [10] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club. Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour. Anyway! While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon. Well we did force you to dock for an entire night and you have yet to come back to help the Cal/gal warzone. So I guess you are right!

Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 521	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:26:02 - [11] - Quote Liuni Kalthis wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities. Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club. Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour. Anyway! While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon. Well we did force you to dock for an entire night and you have yet to come back to help the Cal/gal warzone. So I guess you are right! An entire night. Wow. Keep drinking that cool aid. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 6745	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:26:35 - [12] - Quote With all due respect, there are 709 type K5 stars in the New Eden cluster, including the 216 in wormhole space; admittedly, it's a bit of a stretch to include wormhole space in a summary of the cluster, but you get the point. For instance, the Dead End and Exit systems have a K5 star; we could as easily engage in making tinfoil headware of that as well. We could claim a gun is pointed at the collective head of the Intaki people, given their star; or that a symbolic blow to CONCORD could come from blowing up the star of Youl; or a crushing blow to the Gallente capsuleer economy with the loss of Dodixie; or what about Roua, the only named system in the domain of the Society of Conscious Thought? In brief, beware apophenia. I know it's difficult in this trying and tumultuous time, but beware it all the same. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Overload Everything 160	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:30:46 - [13] - Quote Quote: An entire night. Wow. Keep drinking that cool aid. Its great koolaid, especially if its drank while witnessing the actions in question. Perhaps...now you might have your brain explode and need to reclone....but perhaps your koolaid is spiked and infact you are the one that is wrong. But naaaaah can't be right? Oh, how does it feel to be running in a shuttle back to Evati, tail between your legs and scopeworks giving a slap on the rear as you head out? Turn down for what?
Anslo Scope Works Overload Everything 31743	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:32:05 - [14] - Quote TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?! [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Thomas Molijnr Scope Works Overload Everything 4	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:32:16 - [15] - Quote TURN DOWN FOR HWAT?
Roland D'audeles Scope Works Overload Everything 6	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:32:36 - [16] - Quote I am looking to join the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad. Can I have a recruiter contact me in-game, please?
Saerin Korvalu Scope Works Overload Everything 16	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:35:40 - [17] - Quote TURN DOWN FOR HWAT?!
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 521	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:35:50 - [18] - Quote I'm just going to bow out and let the mighty Scope Works Posting Brigade keep verbally fellating Anslo. Seriously. I can say nothing more damaging than the evidence of your own behaviour. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Sarasvazhi Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:37:04 - [19] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: In brief, beware apophenia. I wonder if there is a connection between the destruction of red giants and theological paradigms?
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Overload Everything 160	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:37:05 - [20] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: I'm just going to bow out and let the mighty Scope Works Posting Brigade keep verbally fellating Anslo. Seriously. I can say nothing more damaging than the evidence of your own behaviour. Seriously.

Anslo Scope Works Overload Everything 31743	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:37:26 - [21] - Quote Get mad. Stay mad. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Saerin Korvalu Scope Works Overload Everything 19	Posted - 2015.03.12 05:37:54 - [22] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: I'm just going to bow out and let the mighty Scope Works Posting Brigade keep verbally fellating Anslo. Seriously. I can say nothing more damaging than the evidence of your own behaviour. 2 salty 4 da scope
Deitra Vess Scope Works Overload Everything 289	Posted - 2015.03.12 06:02:17 - [23] - Quote Lets see, having been born in Eram, and after leaving the RMS, lived there aside from the last 9 months, nothing seems to be different. I will say I haven't been there in a month or two, but I highly doubt that anything has changed that much. Please bare in mind I'm not an expert on what's going on in site one or whatever. What exactly has changed in the last month?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 6745	Posted - 2015.03.12 06:14:58 - [24] - Quote Ms. Vess, paranoia and Caroline's Star. With the return of the-- well, whoever they are, capsuleers the cluster over are trying to figure out what happens next. With Tukoss's transmissions indicating a possible attempt to return to Eram and Site One, eyes naturally turned that way. Given that Caroline's Star was W477-P, a K5, per the Sisters of EVE, the fear is that Eram's star will suffer the same fate. As said, apophenia. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Overload Everything 289	Posted - 2015.03.12 06:19:13 - [25] - Quote Hmm..... makes sense, but still its just speculation right? I Just don't see why we should react due to a shadow rather than anything that we can truly prove. Yes, it happened in W477-P, but who's to say it'll happen in Eram, ya know?
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor Gutter Press 93	Posted - 2015.03.12 06:34:46 - [26] - Quote Quote: cataclysmic to the whole of the Matari people > helped the Angel Cartel enslave Republic citizens and destroy the Genesis vaults, thereby ending any hope of restoring Matar. I am sure that the Tribe appreciates your deep concern for the Sebiestor and Matari people, and will give your suggestion the attention it truly deserves.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 862	Posted - 2015.03.12 09:43:59 - [27] - Quote Being born and living most my young life on Eram I, I have a strong tie to Eram and it's sister system Yrmori. I was concerned when I first heard of Site One being built in Eram but in the end I saw it mostly as a good thing, providing the system with some extra trade and, at least until now, no real extra costs at the expense of those living there. Certainly the extra attention it's received in the past few months has been alarming for me, even causing me to raise my standings with the Republic again so I could re-enter my own home and check on it myself. Despite my concerns, I still think you are jumping quite far. Yes, both systems share, or shared, a K5 Red Giant. Since Ms. Priano already pointed it out I will just restate; K5 Red Giants are not an uncommon thing. The nature of Red Giants is that they have already used the hydrogen fuel in their core and are slowly consuming the hydrogen floating outside. The surface temperatures are often cooler than before despite them growing in size and luminosity. The life of a Red Giant goes through many stages, expanding, collapsing, and sometimes expanding again before it collapses into a White Dwarf and ejecting extra gasses, creating a nebula. This stage of the Red Giant perhaps the most important, especially with all circumstances considered. Depending on the mass of the Red Giant, the star will fuse helium in different ways. If it is small enough, then something called a "helium flash" could occur, where the rate of fusion increases so dramatically that it creates more energy in a short period of time than it was ever able to before. This event only lasts a few seconds, but it perhaps could be something to investigate. If a K5 Red Giant was capable of going supernova on the scale we just saw, then I feel pretty comfortable saying that any star could go supernova on that scale, or whatever name we decide to give the phenomenon that caused "Caroline's Star". Certainly it wasn't a natural supernova as the circumstances surrounding it show, and I think anything that has that power doesn't need a specific type of star. I will say that Caroline's Star seems to now just be a nebula that we can see, and a green one at that. The color of the gas might be something worth investigating as well. Another thing to note is that the Circadian Seekers and Drifters have both been keeping distance from Site One. Who knows why, but there is either hesitation or no need for them to visit that place so far. If they were using it as some sort of catalyst then I'd think they would be monitoring it regularly. As for the state of the acceleration gate, Site One and even Arek'Jaalan was for the most part abandoned years ago with the disappearance of Tukoss and the A'J organization dying down to a murmur, only now resurrected into what is a shadow of its former glory. Quite frankly there is no need for the acceleration gate as there's very little need for extra space. Site Two may never be finished. You're also going on a big assumption to say that all you need is a Talocan Static Gate or something similar, and a cache of Isogen-5 to make a star go supernova. Any proof for this? It's not surprising to me to see people take small facts and try to piece them together into a larger "truth", after all, it's become even more common practice lately with all the unknowns flying around the cluster lately. I strongly warn people against taking such steps in their logic to jump to any rushed conclusions though. Accept that we know almost nothing and prepare for the worst, certainly, but you need supporting facts and evidence if you ever hope for such a petition to gain any momentum. So with all that aside, I do respect the call of this petition for the Sebiestor and Republic to take action and do the best they can to safeguard themselves and their core systems, however, with all due respect, I think the conclusions and the reasons you found these conclusions are pretty far-fetched and it'd do a lot of good to perhaps do a similar petition with less "what-if" and more substantial facts and information. -Eran
Deitra Vess Scope Works Overload Everything 289	Posted - 2015.03.12 13:16:42 - [28] - Quote Just to be safe, I might go take a look when I get some free time. I know if anything is wrong I can't really do anything but it'll eat at my conscience if I don't.
Avio Yaken Scope Works Overload Everything 1970	Posted - 2015.03.12 14:43:55 - [29] - Quote I recall this thread being longer..... One does not simply, Cope with the scope DUST 514 recruitment link (._.)/
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 335	Posted - 2015.03.12 14:59:05 - [30] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: I recall this thread being longer..... A crying shame that your echo chamber was shut down.



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