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Super-Secret Squirrel
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:33:22 -
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This is funny little story on how not to be diplomatic in a large-we-don't-take-#%@$@-from-drama-llamas alliance
who shall not be named. Of course, if you do a little digging on your own part, it will not be to hard to figure out.
All the names have been changed so that these players can keep on going about without the whole universe pointing fingers
and laughing out at them. The name of toon reporting this shall also be hidden as well to not receive any more grief from
the existance of these idiots......oops, I mean fellow distinguished players. Here are the fun points that occured in the
general order:
1) A small group of players went to coerce the alliance leader to force the primary shareholder to make current CEO step
down for some reasons that will be mentioned later. The alliance leader got a little peeved by this but kept his cool.
He instructed the leader of this little group, lets call him "Roy", that this is an internal corp matter and should be
going that route instead of making the corp look unstable to alliance. This corporation has developed a very good
relationship with the alliance in question. In fact, the high command of this alliance would like to see this
corporation develop into something larger. That was the feeling I got from the information I dug up.
2) That wasn't the answer Roy wanted, so he went to a previous CEO to force the owner to make the current CEO step down.
That manuever ended up being a flaming wreck, too.
3) Meanwhile, one of Roy's members, a problematic little tourette's suffering motor-mouth I will refer to as "Jar Jar",
started to make a name for himself with the alliance and allied FCs. Here are some paraphrases that the corporation
received about his mighty mouthings from the allied command:
-Since Jar Jar became an active Alliance FC, he was competent on the battlefield, but a flaming wreck off grid. If he
was docked, he ignited alot of diplomatic fires that his current CEO had to go put out, and after mediating between
Alliance Leaders and Jar Jar, would order Jar Jar to keep the peace and not go 'loose cannon'.
-The flaming wreck known as Jar Jar's diplomacy included blatant violations of comms policy. Casual racism,
derogatory and inflammatory remarks towards other FCs, both Allied and Alliance. Jar Jar's alliance leaders were told
by multiple sources that he was difficult to work work with.
-After multiple interventions, to redeem what seemed a long lived career as an FC, Jar Jar got caught up in a prideful
'too big to fail' mentality. He continued to circumvent or ignore requests to follow alliance team policy. Indeed he
ignored direct orders on occasion.
Bottom line is that Jar Jar turned his FC career with this alliance into a very big flaming wreck. The reason why I
brought this up will be made clear a bit later.
4) Roy's gang finally went to the owner (which the owner found out the bad way and that really did not go over to
well with him since they went to him LAST) and was asked to join a corp meeting to air out any grievances about the
current CEO. They stated these grievances:
A) They were complaining that the CEO did nothing but create red tape in policy matters and they did not realize
that these were handed down from alliance. They would have known this if they would have gotten off their
mobile seat cushions and read the alliance/corp forum posts once in a while.
B) Access to moon goo materials. I did a little digging on this and found out that this corporation had access
and it was Roy's doing that gave the moons back to the alliance.
I'm starting to see a pattern with Roy, here.
5) At this time, this is where I stepped in by the request of the corporation owner to do the digging on Roy and his bunch
and I found some questionable security flags:
A) Roy did not report all of his alts and did not report when he was buying/selling toons. Major alliance no-no.
B) Practices of marketeering were discovered. This was starting to annoy the corporation. Basically empty
promises and ignoring the corporation's needs at the time.
C) Discovered that one of his alts was used to hire a merc corp without corporation knowledge. This was to put
pressure on a couple of rival corps that were involved with some market pvp in Jita.
D) The person doing the API checks, lets call her "Ramona", for the corporation was a member of his small gang.
E) One of his gang members (not Jar Jar) really had some poor comms discipline and annoyed the hell out of the
alliance channel members by posting disturbing images. I mean disturbing by internet standards and not the
common Joe-just-off-the-street standards. This was a violation of alliance policy and this caused the CEO
nothing but grief on more than one occasion.
F) Found a little bit of drama posting on the corp's facebook page from one of Roy's gang who clearly has no
clue what it means to run a corporation in a big alliance.
G) Also found out through talking to other corp members and listening in on the voice comms that Roy was
playing "sugar daddy" to Jar Jar.
A bigger piece of the puzzle is forming here. End of part 1
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Super-Secret Squirrel
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:34:21 -
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Part 2
6) The owner of the corporation asked to give the current CEO a little wiggle room so that these grievances could be dealt
with. Once said owner heard the complaints, he approached the alliance high command and they disagreed with what Roy's
gang stated. The group stamped their little feet and in the end, gave the ultimatum that it was either them or the CEO.
The gang must have owned stock in the company that supplies asbestos underwear because they went down in a flaming wreck yet again. That's what happens when the CEO works well with the alliance HQ staff, the owner, and most of the old,
ancient vets of the corp. They did try to exact revenge when Ramona stole the API list, but that was easily fixed with
a quick API change.
7) The dusting off of the membership list began and Roy's roles in the corp and alliance melted away. During this time,
Roy's gang started to leave the corp for "greener pastures". A.K.A. they tried to join other corporations in the
same alliance. Well, this went down in a flaming wreck too. The owner and CEO have kept the alliance leaders informed
of the shenanigans along with my little investigation and these people are on their way to the black list. So the group
ended up forming their own low sec corp since they cannot hang out in their favorite null sec spots anymore.
8) Roy's dream of running a corporation came to fruition after all of this, and I bet he was proud of flying around in a
shiny carrier to help inspire and embolden his newly formed low sec corp and the members that heard the call to follow
him.
.....that DEFENETLY ended up as a flaming wreck too. I REALLY wish I could post the kill mail here but from what I
have read, that would violate the forum rules. All I will say is that it happened in the constellation of Black Rise on
2015-03-11.
The good news is that the corporation is still alive and definitely kicking, no assets were stolen except for the API
list, and a possible fail cascade was prevented before it had the chance to take hold. The real lesson here is that
nobody is ever that irreplaceable in keeping a corp/alliance working.
The real funny thing is I had a crap ton of fun playing detective while helping this corp out and I didn't even have
to undock. I love this game. |
bigman111222
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.14 18:36:29 -
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Blue ice = jar jar?
Must be brave, couldn't see any other null sec alliance having so much silly drama, and slack security |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.14 19:10:30 -
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This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.
Super-Secret Squirrel wrote:... I REALLY wish I could post the kill mail here ... Now you can...
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2015.03.14 19:41:46 -
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TLDR? |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1183
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Posted - 2015.03.14 20:02:30 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:TLDR?
Brave has issues.
The end.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:28:49 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:TLDR?
Just read it!
Story requires a bit more flesh but still is definitely worth the read. Also, OP REALLY likes the term "flaming wreck".
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Super-Secret Squirrel
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.14 21:58:51 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:TLDR? Just read it! Story requires a bit more flesh but still is definitely worth the read. Also, OP REALLY likes the term "flaming wreck".
LOL - I know I abused the term, but I wanted to use is since it was given to me in the paraphrasing of Jar Jar's actions, it's how Roy's carrier ended up, and it gave the sense that Roy and his gang kept on running themselves into brick walls without learning from the situation.
I also condensed this story big time. Did not want to create a large thread-naught when posting this but I thought it was worth a laugh at the end.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.15 02:20:48 -
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Super-Secret Squirrel wrote:I REALLY wish I could post the kill mail here but from what I
have read, that would violate the forum rules. All I will say is that it happened in the constellation of Black Rise on
2015-03-11.
You're in C&P now.
You can post it no problems.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Super-Secret Squirrel
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.15 02:27:45 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Super-Secret Squirrel wrote:I REALLY wish I could post the kill mail here but from what I
have read, that would violate the forum rules. All I will say is that it happened in the constellation of Black Rise on
2015-03-11. You're in C&P now. You can post it no problems.
I would love too, but I just wanted to tell a slightly funny story. Also, even though I'm not a capital ship pilot myself, I could tell that the fit was slightly off and I don't want to start a flame war here about that. Besides, I gave the constellation and the day it went boom so it shouldn't be too hard to find. |
Getridof killmailmagee Ostus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.15 03:36:26 -
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Roy has more isk than he wants to spend and for fun took a carrier out to welp, he did nothing but laugh on comms as he warped to a large with a fleet, Roys teammates showed up not to help but to ***** on his kill and have some fun. He is just around now, making tons of isk, and thinking on what he wants to do in game now that he is free to whatever. Sometimes you lose things for a laugh.
As for Jar Jar has turned out to be a bit too good to pass up, and left the corp to be a director of one related to the same alliance. Having fun doing what he wants to do. Jar Jar is doing well....very well, and in many ways succeed in his goal. And about the disturbing images...he said that he was trying to promote interracial relations. I am many others take offense to bigoted and close minded views on interracial relationships and love making.
The rest of the people who didn't enjoy the corp any longer just went with Roy in order to have a place to stay with support from a very generous Sugar Daddy. Soon we will as some already have, begin to go our separate ways and find what new thing we want to do ingame.
The moral of the story is that some things make much better tales when you embellish. Sure did someone lose a carrier for fun after leaving a corp? Ya, they did with a smile on their face. Have the other corp members decided to **** up a bit of their killboard with there new freedom, yep and are having fun doing so.
Parker Mageton who I think wrote this post (don't worry bro I obscured your identity), wants this to sound like a super interesting tale of how a corp won against a mutiny. The problem is that the mutiny stemmed from people having legitimate grievances and decided it would be better to leave then stay somewhere they don't find fun.
Basically this is a "some of my corp didn't like me, aren't they regretting it now" story with a lot of selective phrasing and a downplaying of the faults that lead them there |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.15 04:02:59 -
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Re-title this "The Latest Dope From The Trailer Park"
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Tampax Tampons
The Jita Jihad
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:31:26 -
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Dear OP
I'm a police officer on the detective track in real life, so let me applaud you as one investigator to another. Also, if you're comfortable enough to hear a little constructive criticism, I'd like to share some of my experience with you. First and foremost, you're almost entirely wrong about this particular story. I know this, because I acted a third party to consul and mediate between those involved. You see, in big successful alliances such as ours we have teams of people to handle situations like this before they get out of control, such was the case here. As a matter of fact, everyone is still blue to one another despite the fact that some chose to go their separate ways to corps that better embrace their play style.
As a investigative colleague I cannot stress enough how important evidence and facts are to any case. It's really important we get it right, or else we could end up looking very stupid, and worse, innocent people might be inconvenienced or hurt. Professionals like us wouldn't want that now would we? No. I highly encourage you to go back, re-examine this case, and report back to us as soon as you've gotten the facts right. As someone who already knows the answer to what really happened, I'll make myself available to guide you through the process.
Best of luck!
o7
PS: I've written several books as well, so if you want help with grammar just let me know. I'm here for you! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:39:34 -
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Anyone up for playing the "Flaming Wreck" drinking game?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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bonuses
Arrowdesert Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:46:34 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone up for playing the "Flaming Wreck" drinking game?
Every time he says it do we drink? i don't need alcohol poisoning tonight :/ |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 09:37:48 -
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You know, I came here to learn how not to get diplomatic in a large corp. I think this thread does an excellent job of teaching by example.
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Contact me for a free consultation.
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2015.03.15 10:27:36 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:TLDR? Just read it! Story requires a bit more flesh but still is definitely worth the read. Also, OP REALLY likes the term "flaming wreck".
Person A, who I couldn't care less for, said something to Person B, who I also don't mind not knowing. Then Person C - likewise irrelevant - did something to Person D also not important to me.
I'm sorry. This is not in the least interesting. |
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