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Smelly Boyhehe Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.16 19:51:02 - [1] - Quote I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec. I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space. or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites)
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2015.03.16 19:54:19 - [2] - Quote Smelly Boyhehe wrote: I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec. I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space. or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites) The best non-combat exploration sites are Sansha relics in nullsec. Luckily you can find those also in wormholes classes 3 and lower. The "native" exploration sites in wormholes are more profitable but you need a decent combat vessel for them as you have to fight sleeper rats. I'm my own NPC alt.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1141	Posted - 2015.03.16 19:57:17 - [3] - Quote Yeah, stay away from the sleeper sites. Those are all combat sites where the money is in all the salvage. The cans in the sleeper sites are not worth hacking. If you're blitzing just for money, don't bother with the data sites in general. Target the pirate relic sites in nullsec and class 1,2, and 3 wormholes. Fit your ship accordingly. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1085	Posted - 2015.03.16 21:59:18 - [4] - Quote My heart always skips a beat when I see "S" pop up in scanner after I scan a relic And then it's serpentis.
Riel Saigo Facta.Non.Verba The Obsidian Front 146	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:45:58 - [5] - Quote The way I see it - you're going to be scanning down the wormholes anyway while you look for relic and data sites in null sec. And wormhole connections are the best and safest method for traveling to and from nullsec anyway. So you'll want to spend time in them anyway and scan down the signatures in them. Like others said, the Sleeper relic and data sites have NPCs guarding the site. In a C1 or C2, you can usually clear them out with a battlecruiser (some specialized T1 cruisers can manage it if you're skilled at fitting and flying). In a C3 usually calls for small gangs of cruisers or battlecruisers to clear, and C4s usually need a fleet of battleships or T3 cruisers or other serious firepower. Forget about C5s and C6s - you won't clear those solo in much of anything short of a dreadnaught. So if you're just soloing in an Astero or T2 cov ops cloaky ship, you should avoid the sleeper sites. But CCP made some changes to the game so that null sec relic and data sites now infrequently spawn in wormhole space. So if you don't see the word "sleeper" on the site and instead see "Sansha" or "Blood Raider" or "Gurista" etc, that means you have yourself a null security relic/data site, and there won't be any NPCs guarding it - just like null sec. You can run those for the same profit you would on your normal null sec sites. So, I'd recommend doing this in null sec. That's were the profit is for a solo daytripper who doesn't want to scout in one ship and then hassle with going and fetching a combat ship to clear stuff too. You should use the wormhole connection chains to find your way in and out of nullsec (having a nearby wormhole is a great way to escape a bunch of hostiles in local as well - they usually won't know where you disappeared to). While you are doing this, keep your eye out in wormholes for null sec data/relic sites. If you find them, you might as well run those too. I also recommend out of game tools like Staticmapper, Tripwire, and DOTLAN for helping you navigate around.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 504	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:19:13 - [6] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Yeah, stay away from the sleeper sites. Those are all combat sites where the money is in all the salvage. The cans in the sleeper sites are not worth hacking. If you're blitzing just for money, don't bother with the data sites in general. Target the pirate relic sites in nullsec and class 1,2, and 3 wormholes. Fit your ship accordingly. Unless it's a Talocan site in c5/c6 100mil per hull section, yo. You only need a fleet of 3-4 nestors to do it, you know those ships that you k-space scrubs like to bash on for not being a solo pwn mobile. edit: forgot a one thing you also want a falcon to jam the trigger on the site unless you are clearing everything after the first wave but usually people just 'ninja' the Talocan wreck and leave the rest.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2034	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:24:58 - [7] - Quote Smelly Boyhehe wrote: I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec. I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space. or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites) Stick to null IMHO, because you will inevitably get murdered in a WH when that cloaky ship you didn't see enter local chat pops up right beside you. At least in null if you watch local and only work a site when system is empty you can do it very safely. F Would you like to know more?
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1090	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:33:45 - [8] - Quote doing it only in empty systems is a pain in the ass though, what if it's just another explorer? WH space has the advantage of people NOT KNOWING that you're there until you're d-scannable, that gives you a huge edge in a cloaky frigate. In null, someone instantly knows if you're there or not and can choose to hunt you relentlessly. Gates are marked as warpable objects in space that anyone can warp to and there's far more likely to be people hunting you down. Wormholes obviously have their downsides as well but if you play correctly wormholes are FAR safer than null.
Phig Neutron Rubicon Cubism 61	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:43:10 - [9] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Stick to null IMHO, because you will inevitably get murdered in a WH when that cloaky ship you didn't see enter local chat pops up right beside you. This is EVE. You will inevitably get murdered anyway. If the treasure is more valuable in WH space, the danger can be a fair trade. I haven't done the math.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2038	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:53:06 - [10] - Quote You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local. Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null sites. F Would you like to know more?

Phig Neutron Rubicon Cubism 61	Posted - 2015.03.17 19:59:17 - [11] - Quote Teaching people to play EVE based on an assumption that they will never lose their ship = much worse advice.
Alexa Miasmata Martyr's Vengence 2	Posted - 2015.03.17 22:56:43 - [12] - Quote Im a bit new and did exploration for the last 3 or 4 weeks. I find wormholes a lot safer than nullsec. To be fair, I am in total less in WH space than in nullsec, but I get murdered in nullsec quite often (which is ok, since it only happens like every 15 trips and my frigate is cheap anyway). Don't know, but in nullsec there are a lot of gatecamps and people chasing you. In WH space the worst thing you can get into is some WH corp who doesnt wants to be disturbed.
Roel Yento Death Row inc 50	Posted - 2015.03.17 23:26:53 - [13] - Quote I do data and relic sites in c1, c2, and c3's all the time. Haven't died yet... i will at some point but i have made a ton off the sites. That being said, i also gank explores by warping in at zero on them or with a stealth bomber. Also there are tons of wormholes that have no one online in them through the day.
Kenneth Endashi Atomic Pharmaceuticals 47	Posted - 2015.03.18 20:03:42 - [14] - Quote Riel Saigo wrote: I also recommend out of game tools like Staticmapper, Tripwire, and DOTLAN for helping you navigate around. Are these sites worth the time it takes to use them? In my experience, seconds count, so I don't like to waste time planning a route so much as I spend what I feel is the appropriate amount of time cataloging my own route, and potential offshoots of it. Do any of those sites have a feature that allows me to enter an origin-to-destination region and map it via known wormhole routes? (To attempt to answer my own question, I would imagine the ability to access realtime wormhole maps would be impossible without constant community updates)
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1093	Posted - 2015.03.18 20:10:53 - [15] - Quote Planning a route can save much more time than you not looking at it and then going blindly in. Dotlan has great stats which let you avoid heavily populated and dangerous areas. tripwire is much more for people who spend a lot of their time in wormholes, if you're just passing through and grabbing a few sites here and there, it's not needed. And to your question: nobody would ever do that and reveal their own chain to the public. The only known thing even close to that is the thera mapper.
Phig Neutron Rubicon Cubism 65	Posted - 2015.03.18 20:39:31 - [16] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: And to your question: nobody would ever do that and reveal their own chain to the public. The only known thing even close to that is the thera mapper. Maybe enough day-trippers or PVPers would be willing to do it to make it possible. Perhaps with a time delay... the map would only show connections say 2 hours after they were uploaded. I guess the question is whether the game client allows you to copy-paste signatures and how easy a good programmer could make the data entry.
Leiliana Atruin Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 26	Posted - 2015.03.18 21:06:22 - [17] - Quote As someone who extensively runs relic/data sites in both null sec and wormholes I can tell you: Wormholes: 1. Doing signatures in Wormhole is generally safer. 2. You will do on average 5-6 Wormholes before you a hole with sites 3. You will spend alot of time scanning down all signatures in a Wormhole 4. Generally unpopulated if you stick to C1-C3 class Wormholes 5. Nullsec: 1. You will make more money in Null 2. Null is way more populated 3. Null has gatecamps 4. Most alliances in Null has intel channels, so if you get spotted they MIGHT decide to hunt you down. If you are in it for the ISK, then go do Nullsec sites If you rather want something safer, go Wormholes, but stay away from C4+ sites
Davith en Divalone Aliastra Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2015.03.18 21:24:18 - [18] - Quote Getting murdered is half the fun of this game. But in terms of risk/reward, a good WH/null relic site will pay for a covops + fit. A great one will get you an astero + fit. Bob might demand a sacrifice in your first system, or you can squeak through a hundred without anyone catching sight of your taillights. Bob might reward you with a virgin system, or a barren bus station filled with a half-dozen K162s. It's worth trying both just to see which one you get the itch for.
Phig Neutron Rubicon Cubism 66	Posted - 2015.03.18 21:55:50 - [19] - Quote In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships?
Leiliana Atruin Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 26	Posted - 2015.03.19 06:06:38 - [20] - Quote Phig Neutron wrote: In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships? Thera ;)

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Brawlers Inc. 1552	Posted - 2015.03.19 19:48:01 - [21] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local. Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null system sites. F Oh come on. Wormholes aren't that bad. Honestly local chat makes me feel unsafe. New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Darian Frost Martyr's Vengence 9	Posted - 2015.03.20 06:46:58 - [22] - Quote I've had some of my best eve moments hacking in null. Playing head games with the locals, hacking a site with 20+ in local all from the same corp and seeing how many cans I have the testicular fortitude to hack before bailing, slipping through gatecamps and enraging people and subsequently getting hunted down only to make it back to my home station with half a billion in profits. A bit of adrenaline pumping, "Will I make it?" does the heart good. If you really want to make a lot, set a route with ~100 jumps from your home, deep into null and then back through null a different way back to your home. It tends to be an all day adventure and can leave you pretty drained but you'll make a ton of money and I can almost guarantee you'll have a couple stories at the end of it. I've done a lot of WH space too. They're pretty hit or miss, the paranoia factor is a little higher but I don't play during peak hours so most the time the wormholes I go in are empty, then there's the WHs with TONS of signatures, most of them gasclouds and other WHs and sleeper sites. There's a lot more scanning involved and from my own personal experience, a lot less isk per hour. I'm not saying WHs are bad, I love WH space, but for pirate faction sites it's not the best when it comes to isk making.
Smelly Boyhehe Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.04.03 21:28:58 - [23] - Quote Do you guys suggest a good website for identifying what type of wormhole I've scanned down and what class it is etc?
Swann Zeigenfuse Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 6	Posted - 2015.04.03 23:05:27 - [24] - Quote https://eveeye.com/
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1133	Posted - 2015.04.04 00:40:29 - [25] - Quote tripwire is also great for mapping your routes as well as providing you with live information of what hole you've jumped into.
Niobe Song Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2015.04.05 09:23:00 - [26] - Quote Empty null sec systems are nice but there is nothing wrong with scanning in WH's too. Unless you are a coward. Just keep an eye on Dscan and be ready to run or fight. And expect to eventually die at some point.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 562	Posted - 2015.04.06 08:16:11 - [27] - Quote Phig Neutron wrote: In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships? W-space, because netting a kill and stealing the loot in w-space doesn't require that your target be literally asleep at the keyboard to catch them. I mean, it helps, but generally once you have things mapped and d-scan a guy in W, you can get to him and at least take your shot even if he's reasonably competent. In null they docked up and went out for coffee 35 minutes ago because null is basically Care-a-Lot and the site runners and miners aren't even on the hardcore end of the Care spectrum with Grumpy. They're more... Cheer Bear.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 513	Posted - 2015.04.06 20:00:03 - [28] - Quote As far as mapping goes most if not all wh corps use a mapping software where your scouts report signatures, POS and all sorts of other things though a main function is to record the map of your wh chain as you explore it. Thing with null is that as soon as you enter local everyone warps either at POS or station and/or logs off, usually before you even manage to hit a d-scan, so yeah not many will actually bother you in null sec no matter what ship you fly with. Data and relic sites can be done up to C5 alone in a gila assuming you have a good fit, know your triggers and have a general sense of what you're actually doing, also many prefer to have a falcon alt so they don't have to bother with shooting the whole site. Biggest risk in WH sites are sleepers that neut (and web and scram) you which obviously doesn't bother a passively fit gila or tengu all that much. Thing with talocans are however that they don't appear on a site if you warp to it cloaked, so warp visible and immediately cloak (or die) to see if there is a talocan wreck and never ever warp to 0 on a site. Other lucrative venture (pun intended) is to grab a mining frigate and suck WH gas, just be aware that sleepers appear in 15min approx and if they don't appear it usually means that the site has been 'opened' meaning someone else has bm'd the site, has shot all the rats and doesn't like seeing you there sucking his gas on a site that he has cleared.
pushdogg Hell's Portals Thank You Come Again 6	Posted - 2015.04.07 08:42:15 - [29] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local. Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null system sites. F qft the only wormhole system i feel even close to safe in is my own, and even then if i hear a creek in the floor i jump out of my skin. i will jump through wormholes into null and work sites all day, even with someone in local(see afk cloakers), because even if its one or two players they dock up and wait for help, which i can usually finish a couple sites before they come looking. most of the time they are empty. and in all honesty the isk from regular data and relic sites are meh compared to sleeper caches and ghost sites, which is what im looking for anyway.(pro-tip: FW space has gobs of overlooked sleeper caches and ghost sites, and are hard enough to scan that most FW pilots cant scan them down, i run uncloaked and thumb my nose in local most of the time.)


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