[quote=Colette Kassia]These guys genuinely crack me up, "high sec is too safe, we provide the risk!" /hides behind concord in bumping pirate BS.

The risk reward of the mechanic is whack, but all you'll get on here - literally all - is that it is working as intended, be active and bring friends.

As the good admiral says that bumping-fit pirate BS is paper thin. That there is yet another counter to bumping.

If you don't like what someone is doing with their Machariel, blow it up and take your medicine from CONCORD, as the game designers intended. That, or scout and bring friends to protect your vulnerable capital ship and not let it get caught in the first place, as the game designers intend.

However, I don't think you will find much support for your proposal to remove CONCORD. Although I imagine the bumpers and their ganker friends might be one of the few groups that would be on board with your plan to make it impossible to "hide behind CONCORD" in highsec.

Your scout cannot check grid and d-scan to see if you have the literal 4 seconds to put your frieghter into warp?

You need to slap that scout. seriously.



Falcon did this.

Still waiting for my +1's because CCP need to create counter play to get my bowhead through bubble camps. have you tried it? its freaking impossible.

I didnt say remove concord, simply that I do not support in any way shape or form is depriving people of control of their ship with no flagging whatsoever. It's utterly ass backwards.

People should need to man up and flag up for that. Of course scramming and hard tackling is :hard:

Hard? it is actually impossible to tackle an unflagged freighter in highsec due to the current CONCORD mechanics.

If you removed bumping, how would gankers tackle a freighter at all?

I think part of the problem is that the "intended" mechanic of using a web to warp-assist freighters is not spelled out, or even hinted at, in-game.

- Bringing an escort of big guns doesn't work. CONCORD protects the bumper too. And you're not going to do enough damage to a gank fleet to be of much help.
- Scouts don't help and aren't needed; we already know where the bad guys are: TheyGÇÖre at the choke points.
- Bumping-the-bumper is of limited value. If gankers can bring dozens of ships then they can spare a 5-6 more for hobo tackling. You can't counter-bump that.

So clearly the optimal tactic is to have friend use the web trick. All (or most) of us have been playing the game for years. We all understand how warping works and how the webbing mechanic can be applied to drastically cut the time require to get into warp. But these esoteric techniques are not obvious to new players. If the game designers are not willing to change the mechanics in any way then they should better and more explicitly communicate the proper way to move 2.5B ISK worth of risk around using the existing mechanics.

One of the first posts I made on here was to add short tutorials to skillbooks so that they would benefit the meat-bag, as well as the toon. This would be a good way to introduce new players to these sorts of unconventional tactics. If not that, then there should be a note added to the item descriptions of webbing modules. After all, this is the main way that new players first learn what exists and gain a bit of insight into how the game is played-- by reading through the descriptions of items in the market window.

Otherwise, we will need to talk about dedicated-purpose warp remote-assist modules.

It's just as impossible as shooting it. Which totally never happens. Right?

Really? You mean this tactic isn't spelled out in every single anti-ganking guide in the entirety of the internet? Sure it's not in game,..... Read the anti-ganking guides, do everything they say to do, and you will never lose a freighter..... 3. If you followed the guides on how not to get ganked, you will never have to deal with bumpers,..... These already exist in game. They're called stasis webbifiers.

I'm glad that, for once, you agree with me.

I do all of those things and I've never lost a freighter either. But this topic keeps coming up. Why is that?

Because people...feel that CCP should protect them from their own failures.

So it's pretty much like real life and all the inane warning labels we have now?

I think part of the problem is that the "intended" mechanic of using a web to warp-assist freighters is not spelled out, or even hinted at, in-game.

- Bringing an escort of big guns doesn't work. CONCORD protects the bumper too. And you're not going to do enough damage to a gank fleet to be of much help.
- Scouts don't help and aren't needed; we already know where the bad guys are: TheyGÇÖre at the choke points.
- Bumping-the-bumper is of limited value. If gankers can bring dozens of ships then they can spare a 5-6 more for hobo tackling. You can't counter-bump that.

Step 1: Use a Scout

If you jump your freighter into Uedama local with 35 GCC players flashing in local and 2 Machariels on the gate, you have already lost the fight. This is the Eve equivalent of wandering into the bad side of town with a flashing neon sign flashing, "Easy Mark."

Step 2: Plan Your Trip

Your map is an incredibly powerful tool for mining information.

If you don't have an alt account for scouting, make a friend. Seriously, it's not that hard.

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