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Arms Merchant	Posted - 2003.11.01 06:50:00 - [1] Ive been reading the CFS forums and see many people are quitting the game entirely as a result of CAs attacks. While I dont think CA is a griefer alliance as some accuse I do believe they exercised very poor judgement in attacking a group of self-proclaimed carebears. I do believe they went out of their way to cause this war and their attacks on non cfs ships prior to the war show they hadnt fully given up piracy. I know we all make fun of carebears but does anyone here think having people actually quit the game is a good thing? I mean if people are unhappy playing Eve and quit because they are or perceive they are griefed isn't that bad for all of us? I'd like to think people are a little more understanding then that and hope they realize that while this is just a game people still need to treat each other with some respect. They also have an obligation to allow people to play the game they want to play without interference if thats what they want. I mean come on people. Attacking CFS was about as "BIG" as people attacking newbies in 1.0 space with -10.0 security ratings. Now what do you think the reaction of those newbies was? Do you think any of them quit? Do you think that was good for the game? I personally like PvP but Im not going to PK someone who is unwilling. Id hope others have the same decency and we can learn from the disaster of CA/CFS. Arms Merchant Beta 4 Tester Resident of Khanid (not a CFS member but a friend)
Singular	Posted - 2003.11.01 07:30:00 - [2] I like Pie ! Im Yo Huckleberreh
Rixeh	Posted - 2003.11.01 07:38:00 - [3] Sure, learn from the "Disaster of CA/CFS"... TAKE THE PEACE TREATY, RETARD. ----- Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause. -- Seneca
Mydol	Posted - 2003.11.01 08:29:00 - [4] Quote: Resident of Khanid (not a CFS member but a friend) I am sure they could use more friends like you. I mean atleast you are honest by admitting to your friends you do not have confidence in them. I wouldn't either, CFS is lame. The Carebears should have stayed in Carebear land to begin with if they wanted to avoid getting shot. Mydol Beta max (better than vhs) resident griefer (not a friend of CFS, nor care to be one)
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.01 08:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Jash Illian on 01/11/2003 08:34:16 Quote: ... I know we all make fun of carebears but does anyone here think having people actually quit the game is a good thing? I mean if people are unhappy playing Eve and quit because they are or perceive they are griefed isn't that bad for all of us? Depends on the person and the circumstances... But I'll get to that in a minute. Quote: I'd like to think people are a little more understanding then that and hope they realize that while this is just a game people still need to treat each other with some respect. They also have an obligation to allow people to play the game they want to play without interference if thats what they want. Remember that bit about the circumstances? Good, cause this is where it comes into play. No they don't have an obligation. JK-FIX is 0.0 space. CFS Navy is a corporation. The CFS Alliance is made up of corporations. As such they are open to attack. If they did not want to be open to attack, they'd remain in +.5 space and members of the NPC corporations. Quote: I mean come on people. Attacking CFS was about as "BIG" as people attacking newbies in 1.0 space with -10.0 security ratings. Now what do you think the reaction of those newbies was? Do you think any of them quit? Do you think that was good for the game? I personally like PvP but Im not going to PK someone who is unwilling. Id hope others have the same decency and we can learn from the disaster of CA/CFS. Arms Merchant Beta 4 Tester Resident of Khanid (not a CFS member but a friend) Remember the part about depending on the person? Good, cause this is where that comes into play. Eve is setup for PvP competition, on many levels. Those who are unwilling to accept that, those that seek to change that do need to quit. If the CFS wanted to be a peaceful little organization, not involved with the wetwork involved in politics, I have 2 words for them: I Surrender If those two words are too difficult for that person to utter, I have 2 more words for them: Good Riddance That person has less right to seek the change of core game mechanics to benefit their gameplay at the expense of everyone else's. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:02:00 - [6] Edited by: PropanElgen on 01/11/2003 11:03:40 What you forget Jash, is that the great majority of the playerbase are just like these socalled "carebears". When will the griefers be satisfied? When there are no more "carebears" left to grief? Then they can sit on TQ with a couple of hundred others and have their fun.. Is that their goal, to bring CCP out of business? All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:09:00 - [7] Don't like war. Stay in empire space. Quite simple really. This was set up so 'carebears' can hang out and mine or whatever they do. And since when are 'griefers' people involved in war? So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Othnark	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:13:00 - [8] It isnt griefing to attack an alliance. Everybody knows the risks of 0.0 space. They can go ahead and surrender and collect their shyt and go home, or they can whine annd moan and quit the game. If they choose option 2 I really dont care. Look the first time I ran into a situation where I was forced to do something I didnt want to, I had to adapt. Same should apply here. Why is it "for the good of the game" to let everyone do what they want? -Othnark
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:19:00 - [9] Dear CFS Member, We wish to engage battle with you in this system. Pursuant to the pro-carebear stance we have taken, I would like to invite you to be PK'ed by me. If you disagree with this, let me know and we will remove our blockade. If you agree, please warp to gate ABC immediately and go AFK, Yours pirately, CA Member WTF? If CFS were a bunch of carebears, why did they engage CA? You can't go picking a fight and then crying to your Momma when you get spanked. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Merjan	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:21:00 - [10] CFS's problem is that they were too big too fast. Too many corporations and people (they thought it was their advantage) but they were only interested in one thing and that is to mine rare ores in 0.0 systems and to haul it back to empire and sell for isk (or perhaps for own production). As such they should have never engaged in war as they should have known that vast majority of their alliance is not gonna take heat (war and its casualties) and will move back to empire space (leave alliance), quite game, or whine on these boards about "life unfair". Now that Khanid and j-fix have been properly striped of valuable ores there is not much to fight over either. But it should be lesson for others for future there is no such thing as free space and free ores for all. Eve is PvP game. It is survival of the fittest and you guys are just not fit for almost anything from stupid decision making to weak fighting force. Sorry if this sound rude but it is true.
Kali omi	Posted - 2003.11.01 11:35:00 - [11] Iam a member of cfs and know the conflict from the beginning. I always see the same 10-15 ca members in our space. I got killed in such an fast speed that i have to say that the special ca group is set up with people who have an skill far more than 3 mil. I say its easy to call someone an carebear who has only 1-2 skill and have not the money to ensure his ship full, while they started out with 0.0 without pks and full of bistot to get money fast in. Now they sit at the gates - well knowing that they can replace there ships in some minutes and call others carebears who have to work 4 weeks to get there ship back. These are the carebears who starts pvp now when they can replace it easy- and dont tell me u cant replace it fast. The newer players have to go to 0.0 to get mega and zyd, with mining in 1.0 it is an long and boring way we know it all. So i understand everyone who leaves the game when he recognize the two options-mining in 0.0 or get killed when entering 0.0 When the pks go on this way they will be soon alone in the game and while they are not enough game will end. So if u like to kill and do pvp look for someone who like to do so-- may be u attack some pirates in obe ??- no i think u are too much carebears to do that> they will shoot back and may be they win !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.01 16:24:00 - [12] Quote: Iam a member of cfs and know the conflict from the beginning. I always see the same 10-15 ca members in our space. I got killed in such an fast speed that i have to say that the special ca group is set up with people who have an skill far more than 3 mil. I say its easy to call someone an carebear who has only 1-2 skill and have not the money to ensure his ship full, while they started out with 0.0 without pks and full of bistot to get money fast in. Now they sit at the gates - well knowing that they can replace there ships in some minutes and call others carebears who have to work 4 weeks to get there ship back. These are the carebears who starts pvp now when they can replace it easy- and dont tell me u cant replace it fast. The newer players have to go to 0.0 to get mega and zyd, with mining in 1.0 it is an long and boring way we know it all. So i understand everyone who leaves the game when he recognize the two options-mining in 0.0 or get killed when entering 0.0 When the pks go on this way they will be soon alone in the game and while they are not enough game will end. So if u like to kill and do pvp look for someone who like to do so-- may be u attack some pirates in obe ??- no i think u are too much carebears to do that> they will shoot back and may be they win !!!!!!!!!!!! Quote: 6.4 How will newbies be protected from players with malicious intent? Newbies will have the option of staying in zones with high security levels, heavily patrolled by police ships and sentry guns. The zones with lower security levels will be more lucrative in terms of gains and opportunities, giving players the incentive to venture into more unsecure zones as they become stronger. When ù and if ù they decide to take such a risk is up to each player. The most powerful characters of various professions, merchants, miners, pirates, bounty hunters etc. will all be able to maximize their profits in the uncontrolled regions where no laws apply, provided they are able to hold their own against other players who might profit from their deaths. Accept the consequences of your action. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.01 17:11:00 - [13] Quote: I dont think its unreasonable for the carebears to have one region thats 0.0 that they can operate in peace do you? Why would anyone attack these guys? I find it completely unreasonable and totally irrational. They chose 0.0 space, where there are no rules. They chose to create a corp vulnerable to war, where there are no rules. They chose the political path of an alliance, where there is a rule: Survival of the Fittest. So quit being stubborn or quit the game is my advice. Any stupid campaign for a 'Carebear Region' will be met with scorn, loathing and redicule on my part. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Goldar Hektu	Posted - 2003.11.01 20:24:00 - [14] I don't think it's unreasonable to have a carebear land in 0.0. There's quite a bit of current and future content that is inaccessible in empire space - good ore, high-level npc pirates, criminal organizations, etc. I do think it's unreasonable to think that you can have 0.0 carebear land without making/buying powerful friends in order to protect it. The whole point of being a carebear is that you can generally afford to pay to have someone else fight your battles, berrcause you aren't spending money on replacing ships, insurance, ammo, etc. Your 150mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Serpentis Drug Baron, wrecking for 192.8 damage.
Torik	Posted - 2003.11.01 20:48:00 - [15] I fully support CFS and what they are trying to accomplish. On the other hand I also beliee that they need to enforce their rules in their territory or the rules become moot. If they cannot defend against an attack by pirates or another alliance then they have to either go down fighting or vacate the area. Idealism is fine but if you don't have the guns to defend yoru ideals, they will not survive in this game or in RL.
Kashre	Posted - 2003.11.01 22:12:00 - [16] 1> We're not all carebares, although we certainly have our share of them. 2> we have always, imo, done a decent job of enforcing the rules in our area on the occasional pirate who showed up to cause trouble. The war might be a different story, but we didnt get our asses kicked because of our carebareness. 3> Only an idiot would assume that just because some alliance, any alliance says that they have no claimed a section 0.0 space that it will be safe. Its called LOW SECURITY space for a reason. We do our best to keep the pirates and PKs out, and there was a time before the war where 9 out of 10 times I could fly an indy AFK across JK-FIX and not be bothered byanything but gate rats. But there is always that 10th time. 0.0 space is a risk for anyone who flies in it, and complaints about anything that happens to youin 0.0 space is imo pretty lame. +++ It's called "low security space" for a reason.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.11.01 22:18:00 - [17] Who that matters from CFS is quitting? Why would people quit? CA has done jack **** but kill a few newbies as far as I know. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.11.02 00:32:00 - [18] Much though it's a bad thing to see people leaving the game, I'm afraid the CA guys are dead right on this one. 0.0 space is a free-for-all. If you want to go there and be kept safe, you're in the wrong game. If CCP were considering introducing a non-PvP zone of 0.0 space, they might as well just put bistot rocks in the >0.5 zones and have done with it. It's not as if NPC cruisers are going to stop anybody from going out there for very long. If the CFS have lost this war - and I routinely disregard anything posted by any alliance which contains claims about any other alliance, so don't bother coming to tell me they did if you're CA - then that only proves that 0.0 is working as it should. The most ruthless bastard wins. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.11.02 07:00:00 - [19] Having a personal stake in this, and wishing to look after the welfare of CFS industrial ships everywhere, I'd like to nominate myself as a replacement leader for the CFS. If this move goes through, I'm putting up an advance ad now. *ADVISORS WANTED* Preferably a CA representative, in a newbie corp. Advisors must be able to routinely relay information to and from CA with a minimum of hassle. Advisors will be paid on a % basis (overall CFS income). Hot applicants/with good sigs will have priority so come prepared. In addition, any monetary donation made towards the, ahem cause of the CFS will be given higher priority in exchange for their loyalty. That will be all for now. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.

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