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Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:47:00 - [1] OK, seeing how tier 3 BS are mostly more of the same, the Amarr one is basicaly a bigger Geddon, Min one is a bigger Tempest and the Hype is, well, another megathron with more speed and no tracking bonus, how about we get tier 4 BS that actualy fill the missing slots? Caldari - actualy not sure here, as BS wise they have all the bases covered nicely, so not sure what to suggest for them. Amarr - A large Arbitrator, give Amarr a nice drone ship along the lines of the Arbi, they get to have a nice close range ship and able to pick damage types. Gal - A large Celestis, atm Caldari are the only race with a EW BS, lets give Gal a nice one for fleets, with a range bonus on them so that with good skills they will actualy work at fleet ranges. Min - Well, following ship designs from frig - cruiser it makes sense for this to be a painting BS, but I know how much this will get slammed, and the boards would be on fire forever, so open to possible suggestions on this one, maybe a big stabber style ship? low damage, fairly weak, but VERY fast? Just some ideas, probably get flamed to hell, but oh well, the idea of a forum is to share ideas no? CEO - Art of War
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:49:00 - [2] How about another tier 1 already? ****, why not do that instead of tier3s? That way, they would be forced to make them balanced with the current BSs and have different roles, rather than just boring upgrades (apart from the Rokh, where they already did the different thing. That should be tier1 though) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:52:00 - [3] Call them tier 1 if you wish, makes no odds to me CEO - Art of War
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Nebuli Call them tier 1 if you wish, makes no odds to me Also, make them 80mil and don't give them ridiculous numbers of slots RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:56:00 - [5] Oh also on the why not do this instead of tier 3, well tbqh thats what I had originaly hoped they would be, but the only race that seemed to get the BS they needed/was missing was Caldari, and, well, its to late to try and change CCPs mind on them now, they had decided what they would be WAY before we had any chance to convince them otherwise. CEO - Art of War
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:03:00 - [6] Edited by: Verus Potestas on 20/10/2006 20:04:25 I agree. This is my views on the individual ships. Pretty similar suggestions to you. Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Abbaddon: More tank than apoc (with ACs). More DPS than geddon (with lasers). Amazing plated. WTF? Maelstrom: Meant to be a fleet BS, because the tempest isn't good enough apparently. Does 6.4% more DPS than tempest. 6.7% more alpha. Pointless. Rokh: Actually worth doing. 3/4 are just rehashes of current designs. I'd do: Hyperion: Damp-ship. Big celestis. Abbaddon: Big arbitrator Maelstrom: Bellicose sucks, so probably big stabber. Might cross over with phoon too much. Would need thought. Rokh: Fine. Of course, the chances of this are pretty much zero, since it's like a month to Revelations, and they have already announced their plans (what I'm criticising). RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
ramptrick Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:33:00 - [7] top post!!!! lol
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:34:00 - [8] Tier 4... hmm. In another 3 years perhaps. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:36:00 - [9] no need for new ships / just balance what is ingame now / even tier3 is not needed they r all useless except Rokh Originally by: Kusotarre I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
Doomsday Machine Caldari Jovian Labs Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Verus Potestas Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Actually, in test, the Megathron is beating the Hyperion every single time in blasterboat vs. blasterboat.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Doomsday Machine Originally by: Verus Potestas Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Actually, in test, the Megathron is beating the Hyperion every single time in blasterboat vs. blasterboat. I don't get it. You aren't a dev, and SiSi is running the TQ build atm. Are you saying there are tier3s out on SiSi atm anyway? RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.20 22:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Doomsday Machine Originally by: Verus Potestas Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Actually, in test, the Megathron is beating the Hyperion every single time in blasterboat vs. blasterboat. Not sure how youre getting this info, but tbqh I wouldnt be surprised if this WAS the case, as it is now blasterthron needs to be going pretty slowly to actualy track enough to hit a target at blaster ranges, and thats WITH a nice tracking bonus, Hype not only goes faster but doesnt have one. Again though I'm realy not sure where youre getting this info from. CEO - Art of War
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:41:00 - [13] I agree Neb, tier 3 BS to fill out the missing combat niche ,but it makes too much sense so this won't be used. 3 Thumbs up for this thread.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:43:00 - [14] A giant Stabber would be redundant as a BS can't track at those speeds. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Nebuli Caldari - actualy not sure here, as BS wise they have all the bases covered nicely, so not sure what to suggest for them. Gank/short range battleship. Ship name: Barracuda Ship description: The Barracuda is the latest battleship design from various contribution of the Caldari State mega-corporations. The Barracuda is designed for short range assaults. With assortment launcher slots and high tech equipment only true Caldari will appreciate. Bonuses - 5% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise missile launchers ROF and Torpedo and 5% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise missile damage per battleship skill level. Hi/Mid/Low - 8/8/4 Turret/Missile hardpoints - 4/8 CPU - Pending Powergrid - Pending Drone bay - 100 m3. Battleship level 4 skill pre-requisite. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:04:00 - [16] What would really be cool is a BC class vessel capable of fitting BS sized weapons; 90% reduction in PG and CPU fitting requirements of BS sized Turrets. +2 built in WCS strength (without the nasy new penalties) 6 Hi slots 4 mid slots 5 low slots Fast, small, and paper thin. Sounds cool to me. :)
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.22 04:14:00 - [17] I like the idea, and I also like the idea of them being another tier 1. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.22 04:27:00 - [18] Originally by: LaCoHa What would really be cool is a BC class vessel capable of fitting BS sized weapons; 90% reduction in PG and CPU fitting requirements of BS sized Turrets. +2 built in WCS strength (without the nasy new penalties) 6 Hi slots 4 mid slots 5 low slots Fast, small, and paper thin. Sounds cool to me. :) Pocket battleships, yes please. Fill the gap that the BCs should've. Small ship, not much defense, great Anti-BS damage.
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Idara Originally by: LaCoHa What would really be cool is a BC class vessel capable of fitting BS sized weapons; 90% reduction in PG and CPU fitting requirements of BS sized Turrets. +2 built in WCS strength (without the nasy new penalties) 6 Hi slots 4 mid slots 5 low slots Fast, small, and paper thin. Sounds cool to me. :) Pocket battleships, yes please. Fill the gap that the BCs should've. Small ship, not much defense, great Anti-BS damage. I wouldnt say great damage...they carried a limited amount of smaller sized BS weapons. Speed over BS was one their main advantages. Plus they could outshoot almost anything that was smaller of them.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 20/10/2006 20:04:25 I agree. This is my views on the individual ships. Pretty similar suggestions to you. Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Abbaddon: More tank than apoc (with ACs). More DPS than geddon (with lasers). Amazing plated. WTF? Maelstrom: Meant to be a fleet BS, because the tempest isn't good enough apparently. Does 6.4% more DPS than tempest. 6.7% more alpha. Pointless. Rokh: Actually worth doing. 3/4 are just rehashes of current designs. I'd do: Hyperion: Damp-ship. Big celestis. Abbaddon: Big arbitrator Maelstrom: Bellicose sucks, so probably big stabber. Might cross over with phoon too much. Would need thought. Rokh: Fine. Of course, the chances of this are pretty much zero, since it's like a month to Revelations, and they have already announced their plans (what I'm criticising). Dammit yeah i would love a big staber for the minies ,cried when i read the tuxford blog about the tier3 Minie BS.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:41:00 - [21] I don't see why there must be a BS-sized version of every cruiser. Keep things diverse and unique, otherwise support cruisers become obsolete. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:56:00 - [22] I've read the Hyperion is losing to the Mega also, can't remeber where now, but it was mentioned, maybe in a blog or dev chat. It's not much of a surprise really. The Megathron's primary problem is getting into range to unleash hell, and of course, the Hyperion is doing that work for the Mega in a head to head. I wonder how those tests are going with the 50% increase in HP? Not many like the repper bonus, so given the new HP structure being considered, I wonder how Blasterboat pilots would like a cap use reduction on Hybrid weapons in it's place. J.A.F.O.
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:49:00 - [23] Ok the onyl thing i have to sayto this is the Amarr should not get another drone boat, Amarr are not the drone carriers, Gallente are, leave it at that, amarr get there resistances bonus's, nearly unlimited ammo, NOS, and unbelievable armor tanks. they do not need a drone bonus.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:52:00 - [24] My name is Testy, and I can't belive this thread is real. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
chingon Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:57:00 - [25] man they just released 'some' info on tier 3 bs's and you want a tier 4 already? Ö Sig By Liu Mang
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 20/10/2006 20:04:25 I agree. This is my views on the individual ships. Pretty similar suggestions to you. Hyperion: Outclasses the mega as a blastership. Relegates it to sniping Abbaddon: More tank than apoc (with ACs). More DPS than geddon (with lasers). Amazing plated. WTF? Maelstrom: Meant to be a fleet BS, because the tempest isn't good enough apparently. Does 6.4% more DPS than tempest. 6.7% more alpha. Pointless. Rokh: Actually worth doing. 3/4 are just rehashes of current designs. I'd do: Hyperion: Damp-ship. Big celestis. Abbaddon: Big arbitrator Maelstrom: Bellicose sucks, so probably big stabber. Might cross over with phoon too much. Would need thought. Rokh: Fine. Of course, the chances of this are pretty much zero, since it's like a month to Revelations, and they have already announced their plans (what I'm criticising). QFT. Would love to see a BIG Celestis and Arbitrator. Would give other races their E-war ships as well.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:28:00 - [27] I wouldn't put any money on the Hyperion going the slightest faster than the Megathron. As game balance has gone lately, when something new is put into game it goes along the lines of everything else put in at the same time. So, since it is getting more or less the same bonuses as the other tier 3 Bships, and the other tier 3 Bships are going to be rather slow and cumbersome (even the Minmatar one), odds are the Hyperion will follow suit - making the Hyperion the designated Gallente railgun boat quite alike to the Maelstrom in that it also has a bonus that simply doesn't work in fleets. - What am I listening to?
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:31:00 - [28] It has been said Hyperion is faster and agile than most BS, and is getting a ships bonus to reduce mass, which improves agility and accereration. Also has been said the Hyperion will have the lowest targetting range of all BS by far, specifically to prevent it from beciming a rail boat.
Rin Eyre Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:48:00 - [29] And what about BS sized Torpedo Spaming Stabber? Anyone?
Kali Cortez Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:03:00 - [30] I want a BS sized interceptor :D Insta lock > 4000m/s 8 medslots for scrambler to counter WCS Kali

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