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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:29:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Takseen wrote:Because Incursions can't be botted, and mining can. both can ... Anyway forget all my real-"life" references as they are not really healthy for "live" itself. Oh gee, a two word response. That certainly proves incursions can be botted.
Question ?
Sansha are VI? correct...
So bot is another VI ? right ?
So if one can be done, so can the other.
Sure it is not happening, or not that i know. But its possible.
@Akita T
You got me there.
Still i tried to group up with several people and the outcome was always worse then me doing it alone with an noctis alt.
Incursions. .. fair enough .
And in the end its totally irrelevant because as long as you enjoy "feature" its fine. If you dont enjoy it then you skip and move forward, but that doesnt make said "feature" useless...
Only thing that matters is you enjoying the game, nothing more nothing less. If you cant then you should take an break.
disclaimer : my alt actually got near perfect mining/industry/science skills. And i mined since i was able to get in retriever.
It made me enough isk to buy an charon in first month of mining. |
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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
176
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:52:00 -
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Yeah its good how the OP hasn't made another comment.
After I read a thread on here about how highsec miners should be ganked cause they're bots or wannabe bots. I went out and mined for a few hours, just for the fun of it. Made about 90m in the time I spent mining. It surprised me a bit cause I wasn't expecting to get that much. Haven't mined for awhile, I've lost touch with how much you can make. My point, though, is that the OP said what's the point of starting an indy corp in EVE. Well mining is only a small part of the industry in EVE. Other parts of industry can make plenty of isk as well. Unless people lose lots of isk when they make and sell capital ships. I don't know what the problem is.
Rookie ships do have mining lasers on them. Mining is how I made my first million (not with a rookie ship tho). It's okay when starting, to mine a little, if you aren't in a corp and just getting used to things. It can get you enough to buy ships and skills in the beginning. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
492
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:52:00 -
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Back in the day Tritanium was held low artificially at ~2.3 ISK a piece (thanks to NPC-sold reprocessable goodies, and some of the other lowends having similar limitations) and the mineral basket was held artificially high by the insurance payout, 0.0 mining was worth something, but now that Tritanium is free-floating and insurances have been lowered 30% or more...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:41:00 -
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Here is some sage advice I learned from an ancient hermit that lives on top of a mountain and it will blow your f*cking mind away!
Don't mine in a hulk!
BAM! Done deal bro, solves you complaint and you know that it sucks. Mining has one aspect, put your ass out on a grid like a goat tied to a peg and wait to be shot up by some tool looking for a virtual fellatio to bloat his mental ego/**** cause it takes zero effort to kill a hulk (really, YOU CAN'T ******* LOSE! Its like hulk buster = mission runner, but the hulk buster is a loud assed bragger and missions runners are the quite ones).
You choose to continue to mine (and god I would love to see everyone quit right at hulkageddon, would ruin the entire ******* thing but it would never happen), you can't ***** about it. You have the option to shut up and continue your crappy "career" or nut up and go do incursions, trade, industry, missions ect ANYTHING but mining which makes way more.. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
93
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:25:00 -
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Akita T wrote:myjita wrote:How come mining is such a waste of time, compared to the new incursion encounters? Because it's low effort, (usually) low risk, next to no thinking required, and the skill barrier to entry is also pretty darn low. Huge supply, moderate demand = rock-bottoming prices. All of that combined makes mining basically voluntary slave labor. Pursue at your own soul-sucking peril. P.S. Ice mining is even worse than ore mining.
lol clearly you're not doing it right........
The entry level might be lower but the amount of time it takes to train to get good at it is the same as any other profession.
I make 400 million an hour mining no problem. I think the OP should try harder.
Although Akita it right on some point i think she underestimates the potential of mining, as does all of new eden. |
Rykuss
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:27:00 -
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Suck it up already. Seriously. Even if you had any valid points for your whine, which you don't, it's a pointless argument. Nothing positive will come of it and you won't change anyone's mind about mining or miners. Are you new here or something? Have you not seen all of the other threads in existence? Here are some helpful tips:
A) Train the skills to do something else - Lots of ways to make better ISK
B) Continue mining and STFU - Do something more with your minerals/ore than just right-click > sell. There are guides out there too, although clearly someone has published one somewhere that promotes delusions of grandeur that the mining profession is a free ticket to instant trillions.
C) Get one of those nifty mining bots I see everywhere - Sure, they're horribly inefficient (I'm guessing because the lazy tards that buy them can't be bothered to fiddle with the settings) but they mine 23/7!
D) Leave - That's right, quit. The people that put up those buy orders for you minerals/ore don't care where they came from. Someone else, or their bot, will supply them. You obviously subscribe to the EVE Online Forum Creed, "The sky is falling!" ("Everyone should play my way!!!" is my personal favorite though.) There are two types of EVE, the one you see when you log in and then the forum version of EVE. In my opinion, it's clear which version you're playing.
If CCP says gun mining is fine, so be it, let them have their minerals. If CCP announces monday that they are removing industry as a whole, (or just mining) I'd be fine with that too. Obsessing over what other people do in the game would be a terrible way for me to spend my time.
Can I have your vindicator? |
Cipher Jones
125
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:33:00 -
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Your ship doesn't think mining is useless.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
42
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:38:00 -
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Satav wrote:
I make 400 million an hour mining no problem.
You're flying a single rookie ship, right?
Location: Currently circling the toilet bowl that is Eve.
-áProud member of the 6%ers. |
Darcel Black
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:37:00 -
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I sometimes mine in my retriever, I was actually training for a Hulk until I started running incursions. Mining obviously isn't great, but I will mine whilst just reading stuff online or watching a movie. It requires absolutely minimal attention - clicking my mouse and dragging ore into a container once every three minutes, and then a few minutes of hauling every few hours. It makes me some minerals which I plan to horde and eventually use on my industry production alt.
I expect that sometime in the future mining as a whole will be looked at by CCP, especially considering how much this expansion brought. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
59
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:52:00 -
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myjita wrote:
Instead you have people chaining incursions, making hundreds of millions of ISK per hour.
Who told you hundreds of millions/hour?
That is a gross understatement.
Last time I ran Incusrions was for about 5 hours, and I made enough to buy out MM's entire supercap fleet, with all officer fittings.
I am making at least 800 billion/hour in Incursions.
I have heard about people in the really good fleets running Incursions for a day and then RMT'ing the proceeds to buy a house. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
28
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Posted - 2011.12.03 19:02:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:myjita wrote:
Instead you have people chaining incursions, making hundreds of millions of ISK per hour.
Who told you hundreds of millions/hour? That is a gross understatement. Last time I ran Incusrions was for about 5 hours, and I made enough to buy out MM's entire supercap fleet, with all officer fittings. I am making at least 800 billion/hour in Incursions. I have heard about people in the really good fleets running Incursions for a day and then RMT'ing the proceeds to buy a house.
Poor troll is always a poor troll...
Get off the forums. If you've got nothing worth saying but want to babble, start running a blog.
"Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
59
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:21:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:myjita wrote:
Instead you have people chaining incursions, making hundreds of millions of ISK per hour.
Who told you hundreds of millions/hour? That is a gross understatement. Last time I ran Incusrions was for about 5 hours, and I made enough to buy out MM's entire supercap fleet, with all officer fittings. I am making at least 800 billion/hour in Incursions. I have heard about people in the really good fleets running Incursions for a day and then RMT'ing the proceeds to buy a house. Poor troll is always a poor troll... Get off the forums. If you've got nothing worth saying but want to babble, start running a blog.
How about when someone makes an inane comment with wild inaccuracies, it is OK to fling them back with even wilder inaccuracies to make them look ludicrous? |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
119
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:32:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Why PvP "meaningful one" sux and is so pointless ?? PvP is same as shooting rats, you click at red cross and press the button  nothing to see there really.
You clearly don't PvP.
Players don't appear as red crosses and if all you do is 'press a button' then all your doing is ganking a miner, or in an alpha fleet.
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
ight8
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 21:44:00 -
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when you get enough SP in mining they start giving you quaaludes and cookies. it makes it more bearable. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
42
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:19:00 -
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ight8 wrote:when you get enough SP in mining they start giving you quaaludes and cookies. it makes it more bearable.
You play your game and I play mine. After all, we pay the same subscription fees. (In most cases.)
I don't care about your game at all. Tried some of it. Found it BOOOOOORING.
But now, frankly, there isn't anything you can do to affect me. ( Except forum warfare)
So why don't you go someplace quiet and dark and have sex with yourself?
Location: Currently circling the toilet bowl that is Eve.
-áProud member of the 6%ers. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
200
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:39:00 -
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Very simply, because people insist on doing it even for minimal profits. As long as there is a significant number of people who will mine at 20M/hour, the market price of minerals will be dictated by these people. If, instead of bashing their heads against the wall and crying on the forums, the dissatisfied miners said "screw this, I'm going to run missions instead", the market forces would quickly bring the prices of minerals back up.
The player-driven economy to some degree depends on people acting logically and doing what makes them earn money most efficiently. If this was the case with everybody, all activities would be (roughly) equally profitable. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
42
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:48:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Very simply, because people insist on doing it even for minimal profits. As long as there is a significant number of people who will mine at 20M/hour, the market price of minerals will be dictated by these people. If, instead of bashing their heads against the wall and crying on the forums, the dissatisfied miners said "screw this, I'm going to run missions instead", the market forces would quickly bring the prices of minerals back up.
The player-driven economy to some degree depends on people acting logically and doing what makes them earn money most efficiently. If this was the case with everybody, all activities would be (roughly) equally profitable.
Some of us don't LIKE to run missions.
Some of us don't LIKE to do incursions.
Some of us don't WANT to be griefers.
If you aren't happy with that, why don't you quit the game?
NO. I don't want whatever rags and tidbits you might have.
Location: Currently circling the toilet bowl that is Eve.
-áProud member of the 6%ers. |
Lonox
Hilmar is Lord
4
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Posted - 2011.12.03 23:26:00 -
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lolminers |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.12.03 23:33:00 -
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I mine to make people mad that i mine. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
42
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Posted - 2011.12.04 00:41:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:I mine to make people mad that i mine.
In my eyes, you are a goddess. (No, I don't like women, or even men.)
Location: Currently circling the toilet bowl that is Eve.
-áProud member of the 6%ers. |
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