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Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 08:56:17 -
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Here i am only with numbers and a value for money.
Nowadays we have a situation where T3 destroyers cost cheaper than T2.
Confessor - 32kk vs. Heretic - 41kk
Svipul - 39kk vs. Sabre - 42kk
Now lets compare some vitality and fitting abilities. i take numbers with all lvl5 and defense mode on confessor (no doubts it is most popular mode)
Confessor vs Heretic.
armor hp:
1000
vs
938
armor resists:
67|57|63|73
vs
60|48|55|68
Signature:
40
vs
75
low-slots:
5 vs 3
Also we have
powergrid:
100
vs
75
Now lets see what we've got here.
+25 pg, +3 lowslots, - 2 hardpoints which makes confessor have even more free powergreed. so now we have ability to fit 10mn AB, signature 40, resist 80%+, invulnerable to scramble (doesn't cancel mwd), speed under web about ~1200, and firepower about 400dps +, small energy nosferato etc. Also it's signature goes down to 26 under skirmish bonuses (just like interceptors). Most pilots know how important to have low signature.
I don't want to compare sabre and svipul, coz we will have same result.
Someone might say that interdictor has a specific role, but.. u can compare T3 destroyer to Assault ship for example.
Assault ships now replaced by T3 destroyers. T3s have same signature, better resistance, more DPS, more speed, same price.
Assoult ship can not fit 10mn AB without crutches
Looks like someone in CCP should be fired. |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.03.24 10:35:41 -
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Andy Maque wrote:Here i am only with numbers and a value for money.
.........
t3 dessies are OP and everyone knows it |
Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:36:16 -
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Yes. Thats why i write about it. I have to options. 1. Quit EVE coz it become ridiculous 2. Type some text and wait if something will change. Yet i've chosen 2nd, but not for a long time i think. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:50:53 -
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Signature in Defensive mode, coupled with 10MN AB is a real issue. I'd increase the base of that substantially past T2D levels.
However, if they wish to keep the T3D the way they are, prices relative to other smaller ships like T2 destroyers and Assault frigates would have to go up. So double the amount of materials needed for T3D construction.
Simple. 
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Reina Xyaer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2015.03.24 14:05:45 -
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Biggest issue is fitting freedom.
The svipul can fit an oversized 10mn AB, TWO oversized shield mods (2x medium extenders OR 2x medium ancillary boosters)... and STILL fit a full rack of 150mm guns.
CCP just introduced an obviously-better-in-every-way ship class... JUST like T3 cruisers... and doesn't give a sh*t about balance. That's all I can assume, because they haven't said a thing about nerfing the Svipul or Confessor.
Bad game design + not caring at all... at it's finest. |
Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 14:59:03 -
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The reason of doing such ships is simple in my oppinion. New players come to EVE and can defeat a higher class ship and higher experiance player. This way CCP give newbies an illusion that they win, cos they are so skillfull and this will make them stay and pay. Can not find other explanations.
Maybe i will stay for a month and look if anything will change. But no longer.. |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
159
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:21:13 -
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T2 Dessies are better at fitting Interdiction Sphere Launchers. You know, their intended purpose. Different ships do different things well. The only ships that got their role dumpstered by the advent of T3 Dessies are the majority of Assault Frigs. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:28:02 -
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Well its a good thing that they serve different purposes, otherwise there might be an imbalance in the game. |
Reina Xyaer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:29:13 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:T2 Dessies are better at fitting Interdiction Sphere Launchers. You know, their intended purpose. Different ships do different things well. The only ships that got their role dumpstered by the advent of T3 Dessies are the majority of Assault Frigs.
And T1 cruisers attempting to be nano-fit in any way.
A good Svipul could break a lot of T1 cruiser's tanks, while tanking a lot of T1 cruiser's damage, while being faster (without the vulnerability to scramblers turning off it's AB), and smaller.
The Svipul is too good, just admit it. It needs a nerf. I'm training Min Tactical Destroyer 5, so I'll be exploiting it as much as the next meta-troll, but I still strongly support a nerf. |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
159
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:37:34 -
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Reina Xyaer wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:T2 Dessies are better at fitting Interdiction Sphere Launchers. You know, their intended purpose. Different ships do different things well. The only ships that got their role dumpstered by the advent of T3 Dessies are the majority of Assault Frigs. And T1 cruisers attempting to be nano-fit in any way. A good Svipul could break a lot of T1 cruiser's tanks, while tanking a lot of T1 cruiser's damage, while being faster (without the vulnerability to scramblers turning off it's AB), and smaller. The Svipul is too good, just admit it. It needs a nerf. I'm training Min Tactical Destroyer 5, so I'll be exploiting it as much as the next meta-troll, but I still strongly support a nerf.
Most Nano-Cruisers have substantially more range. Regardless, I never said that D3's aren't OP. My point was that comparing them to a specialized class that has one of the more unique niches in the game is ridiculous. The only reason people have been using the Dictors as Assault Destroyers is because there wasn't another option. Assault Frigs are the ships that have been rendered useless by the D3's existence. |
Juan Mileghere
Incident Command
Southern Star Dominion
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:38:17 -
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T3 Dessies Combined Interceptors and Assault Frigates and tossed on 10MN afterburners just to give some more power..
When your FC tells you to engage a fleet far stronger than yours
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
594
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:31:35 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:Reina Xyaer wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:T2 Dessies are better at fitting Interdiction Sphere Launchers. You know, their intended purpose. Different ships do different things well. The only ships that got their role dumpstered by the advent of T3 Dessies are the majority of Assault Frigs. And T1 cruisers attempting to be nano-fit in any way. A good Svipul could break a lot of T1 cruiser's tanks, while tanking a lot of T1 cruiser's damage, while being faster (without the vulnerability to scramblers turning off it's AB), and smaller. The Svipul is too good, just admit it. It needs a nerf. I'm training Min Tactical Destroyer 5, so I'll be exploiting it as much as the next meta-troll, but I still strongly support a nerf. Most Nano-Cruisers have substantially more range. Regardless, I never said that D3's aren't OP. My point was that comparing them to a specialized class that has one of the more unique niches in the game is ridiculous. The only reason people have been using the Dictors as Assault Destroyers is because there wasn't another option. Assault Frigs are the ships that have been rendered useless by the D3's existence.
Gonna say this. D3 has issues no doubt, but its not versus dictors. We could argue at least with some dictors even before d3 if not running a bubble you'd be better off with the t1 dessie that made them in the build process. I'd be looking at trasher/sabre for this as a decent example. Not needing to blow bubbles trasher could fill the role of shooty dessie decent.
CCP has to look like you are saying at them potentially making AF irrelevant, again. Svipul for example for some arty wolf pilots is not a daunting eft theory craft project. Had an arty wolf fit you liked...it drops right in. With more guns. And gets space for tank mods even. With 10mn AB. Have to push the boundaries of too many fittings mods is bad ofc. But if not strict zealot of this mindset a little bit of ACR and MAPC....works some wonders really good here. |
Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:37:53 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Signature in Defensive mode, coupled with 10MN AB is a real issue. I'd increase the base of that substantially past T2D levels. However, excluding signature changes, if they wish to keep the T3D the way they are, prices relative to other smaller ships like T2 destroyers and Assault frigates would have to go up. So double the amount of materials needed for T3D construction. Simple.
agree. the price should be about 150kk for hull. |
Siginek
BAND of MAGNUS
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:07:18 -
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hmm ... nice topic where OP says in third post that he will quit if ccp wont change ships way he wants it .... maybe he should quit with this attitude ...
And towards T3 destroyers ... i dont think their problem is in being OP, they are tech 3 in the end ... more likely problem is in their availability - no big skill requirements ... price is fine i think , they were supposted to be comsumables - i lose one so i sit right int oano another and burn back to battlefield ...
and to that OP cry ... yre you going to cry also when T2 cruiser destroys T1 cruiser? no, because thats how its ment to be, thats why we have tech levels ... sow hy do you expect that tech 3 ship shouldt ne able to destroy t1 hull of higher class, specially if that hull has much lower skill requirements and price - basically is weaker in every aspect ... |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:15:46 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Signature in Defensive mode, coupled with 10MN AB is a real issue. I'd increase the base of that substantially past T2D levels. However, excluding signature changes, if they wish to keep the T3D the way they are, prices relative to other smaller ships like T2 destroyers and Assault frigates would have to go up. So double the amount of materials needed for T3D construction. Simple.
The sig + AB is only relevant on the confessor. On the svipul you'll have a flat 50m.
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Daide Vondrichnov
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:27:41 -
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How can you compare a dps ship to a utility one ? Srly. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
86
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:14:05 -
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D3 's are overpiwered effective and cheap.
Why all this tears ?
It'a gift take it or leave it. No need to leave game. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1984
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:23:28 -
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So tell me how well T3's fire Bubbles?
T2 Destroyers are NOT combat destroyers. They are a specialist tackle ship.
We do not have a HAC equivalent for destroyers. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
601
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Posted - 2015.03.28 05:08:13 -
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You know, someone could just say that they were custom-made for lower class wormhole space so you don't have to reship for all the tasks you wanna do but that's just how I see it.
They are strong but not unbeatable.
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Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 11:36:04 -
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D3 users detected 
this topic is not about my tears on D3 i do not have problem with killing them solo 1v1 or 1v2. but my ability to kill overpowered ships doesn't allow a game to have OP ships. lol
like after making ishtars OP all alliances started to fly ishtars. so this makes game casual and boring, when everyone fly same ships coz they are op. every game must have a balance. CCP makes OP ships to attract new players. this is the easiest way to do so and i hate CCP goes an easy way withouth thinking of consequences. |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
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Posted - 2015.03.29 11:40:44 -
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Andy Maque wrote:powergreed.
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen, the latest EVE-based meme.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it goes...
Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
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Andy Maque
ChasingPowerGal
Battletoads.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 11:45:39 -
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