A Russian Alliance complaining about bots... Jesus next thing you know we will have the the goons claiming they are also against bots..

wait a minute....

They are.
You're welcome.

What, you mean, you don't like how much they do, or how often they do it, or their efficiency at doing it ?
That's another story.

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They don't do enough and anyone that spends 5 minutes travelling through 0.0 knows so.

A Russian Alliance complaining about bots... Jesus next thing you know we will have the the goons claiming they are also against bots..

wait a minute....

This is what I believe those in the world of literature call dramatic irony.

And what, in your estimation, would be 'enough'? Should CCP dedicate an entire team to flying around and asking everyone if they're bots? Should they just give up on developing the game and do nothing but bot-hunt?

The sad fact is, any system can be beaten. CCP is doing the best job they can, but nothing is ever going to be 'enough'; the botters eventually find a creative way to escape detection (again). CCP steps up their game (no pun intended) and for a while, the botters leave -- until someone finds a new way to escape being detected.

(For those that are curious, evoutionary biology calls it the 'Red Queen's Gambit'. In 'Through the Looking Glass, the Red Queen tells alice, 'GÇ£Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!GÇ¥. Her statement has been used as an example of 'survival of the fittest', where one species develops a new method of attack, their targets develop a counter-measure, and the attacker finds a way around that counter-measure, forcing the target to adapt again.)

And what, in your estimation, would be 'enough'? Should CCP dedicate an entire team to flying around and asking everyone if they're bots? Should they just give up on developing the game and do nothing but bot-hunt?

The sad fact is, any system can be beaten. CCP is doing the best job they can, but nothing is ever going to be 'enough'; the botters eventually find a creative way to escape detection (again). CCP steps up their game (no pun intended) and for a while, the botters leave -- until someone finds a new way to escape being detected.

(For those that are curious, evoutionary biology calls it the 'Red Queen's Gambit'. In 'Through the Looking Glass, the Red Queen tells alice, 'GÇ£Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!GÇ¥. Her statement has been used as an example of 'survival of the fittest', where one species develops a new method of attack, their targets develop a counter-measure, and the attacker finds a way around that counter-measure, forcing the target to adapt again.)

yeah CCP, cut all accounts which generate consistent income stream, if wallet is increasing, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, then terminate this account.

... you do realise that if someone is selling a ton of things on the market, their wallet can increase on a 24/7 basis, right?

making python injections and hooking into the eve process slightly less trivial would be a good first step.

... you do realise that it is possible to determine if the money is coming from sell orders, right?

A good first step, but only effective until someone finds the next loophole. You can wrap the client in enough security to make a corporate firewall look hopelessly amateur, but eventually someone, somewhere, will find a way in.



When I worked for T-Mobile, we had an unofficial policy about disputed calls: the customer has to point to a call that she thinks is suspect. There are way too many calls logged in an account for us to just go through them one by one.

It's the same with EVE.

There are, at any given moment, twenty to thirty thousand people playing this game, and at least 3/4 of them are buying and selling on the market at any given time. I don't know about you, but I don't exactly love the idea of running through a log of two or three million orders in search of a weird pattern of 'sell' commands.

This is what I believe those in the world of literature call dramatic irony.

FORGET BOTS!!! (Caps intended.)

The bot problem is a CCP problem. Not a player problem.

We keep paying them.

They keep saying they are going to do something to fix it.

They don't.

We keep paying them anyway.

From kind of an Icelandic point of view . . . makes sense to me.

Please Do Something About Bots

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Is CCP listening to anything we say? I've played since 2007 and I've never seen things this bad. Market/mining/ratting (market botting in particular) is at an ALL-TIME high! CCP, DO SOMETHING! It's driving me crazy!