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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:53:00 -
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I have decided to sell this.
Starting Bid: 30bn (No ingame bids) Increments: 1b Reserve: Hidden Buyout: Ingame offers. Has to be really high Sniper Rule: 30 Minutes End Date: 29nd October, 20:00 EVE Time
I reserve the right to not sell if the end price does not meet my requirements. Please do not comment on that jsut bid if you think you can afford.
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Marconious
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:54:00 -
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is this a relist or a second one your selling? ---
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:56:00 -
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This is an auction, my previous post was not taken very seriously since it was not an auction. _________________________________________
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EvilNate
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:57:00 -
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IIRC, the first one wasn't a auction, he was just seeing what ppl would pay, this is the proper auction.
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Marconious
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:57:00 -
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Ok, i'll start you 30bil. ---
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:10:00 -
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auction still going. _________________________________________
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Spartan 1185
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:13:00 -
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i dont care how rich you are, hidden reserves are lame.
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AirWalker
Amarr Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2006.10.23 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan 1185 i dont care how rich you are, hidden reserves are lame.
cry somewhere else.....35B
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Traxman
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Posted - 2006.10.23 05:04:00 -
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Naal: Are you suplying with the Improved to the winner at a steady price aswell ? 
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:32:00 -
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Nope. My internal production consumes all improveds I make. _________________________________________
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.24 13:15:00 -
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Few more days to go! _________________________________________
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Priest Vallon
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:35:00 -
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hihih some1 is scared off inventions :) :)
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Athena Valentina
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:06:00 -
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With current pricing on the improved II, 40M. Income would be something like 46.7B/y for this print.
Guess 45B is reserve :)
Nice bpo
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:34:00 -
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Still going. _________________________________________
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:45:00 -
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up we go. _________________________________________
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:08:00 -
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Item still on the table! _________________________________________
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.28 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 28/10/2006 07:00:53 Edited by: Naal Morno on 28/10/2006 07:00:07 Come on. So many n00bs complaining for yeas now about Covert Ops Cloaks II prices and nobody wanting to pick one up and join the club???! _________________________________________
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Colonel Volgin
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Posted - 2006.10.28 07:59:00 -
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Just shows how desparate KALI makes the t2 bpo holders.
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.28 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Volgin Just shows how desparate KALI makes the t2 bpo holders.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:53:00 -
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cba with hidden reserves, mail me when you reveal it.
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.28 11:29:00 -
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yep might be that people have been looking for that bpo.. however since u are not selling the thing needed to build them u still hold monopoly on that bpo..
so reveal ur reserve buy outs etc and put the other cloak up for prod aswell then u might get real bids..
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.28 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 28/10/2006 17:49:21
Originally by: Nyack yep might be that people have been looking for that bpo.. however since u are not selling the thing needed to build them u still hold monopoly on that bpo..
so reveal ur reserve buy outs etc and put the other cloak up for prod aswell then u might get real bids..
I presume you are talking about Improved Cloaking Device II BPO? I don't have any monopoly on that, plus you can buy them on market.
Thanks. _________________________________________
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.29 15:03:00 -
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Auction ends today _________________________________________
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Jozef K
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jozef K on 29/10/2006 21:42:17 38 billion
Now where is that bloody reserve?
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 -
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Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
Auction is over. _________________________________________
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Jozef K
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:48:00 -
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It's not over yet is it?
What is your reserve? You hardly give any information, we're throwing darts in the dark here.
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Ezzara Maak
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:25:00 -
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45b
if you still whish to sell
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RichThugster
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
well since the modules are "rip offish" and "expensive" why would you sell the BPO for anything less than what could be described as "rip offish" and "expensive"
You AFAIK hold a large number of the covert ops cloaks, you could very easily sell this BPO for say 60bil+ and then straight afterwards, crash the market. It is simply a cartel, there is nothing in place such as with HACs where demand totally outstrips supply, the prices are artificially high at 65mil for a cloak, i spect build costs are under 15mil (provided you have all the other cloak BPOs (which im pretty sure you do) you could 1/2 the price, still make a hefty profit, and laugh as some goon (not the goonswarm sort, but the plonker sort) has his payback time doubled, and you sit on his 60bil isk, for a BPO which will drop to half that.
That is probably a big reason as to why you had no bids for this. This close to Kali, big ppl are liquidising (such as yourself) mid range are saving isks, and picking up safe investments. Something, which the demand dictates, not the seller. such as Command ship BPOs, as more and more ppl skill for them, the price will rocket. Around the time of the tournament, most command ships were under 100mil. now the majority are heading around 200mil. its not because ppl raised prices, its because demand has grown.
look at HACs, back not long after launch, you could hardly give a cerberus away, virtually all HACs were around the 80mil mark. Command ships are in less of asupply, so the price will raise well above 300mil imho.
So exactly why would someone waste isk on a BPO which has such huge profit margins, in a market which is cartel dictated, when they could invest a similar amount of isk, in a growing market, which will provide a much more stable investment?
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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YingYang ChingChang
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Posted - 2006.11.01 03:28:00 -
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It costs just under 3mill to build a covert cloak. i know cuz my main was once in ecp and i was told i could get them at that price (cost)
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.01 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: YingYang ChingChang It costs just under 3mill to build a covert cloak. i know cuz my main was once in ecp and i was told i could get them at that price (cost)
Yeah thats the cost save the 45b bpo........ -----------------------------------
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Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
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Serna
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2006.11.01 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
Auction is over.
If I had enough isk to pay a decent amount for this bpo I would have. Unfortunately I didn't see an easy payment plan for the poor souls with under 50bil+ in their wallets. 
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Kari Moltov
Amarr The Forsakened Companions Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: RichThugster
Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
well since the modules are "rip offish" and "expensive" why would you sell the BPO for anything less than what could be described as "rip offish" and "expensive"
You AFAIK hold a large number of the covert ops cloaks, you could very easily sell this BPO for say 60bil+ and then straight afterwards, crash the market. It is simply a cartel, there is nothing in place such as with HACs where demand totally outstrips supply, the prices are artificially high at 65mil for a cloak, i spect build costs are under 15mil (provided you have all the other cloak BPOs (which im pretty sure you do) you could 1/2 the price, still make a hefty profit, and laugh as some goon (not the goonswarm sort, but the plonker sort) has his payback time doubled, and you sit on his 60bil isk, for a BPO which will drop to half that.
That is probably a big reason as to why you had no bids for this. This close to Kali, big ppl are liquidising (such as yourself) mid range are saving isks, and picking up safe investments. Something, which the demand dictates, not the seller. such as Command ship BPOs, as more and more ppl skill for them, the price will rocket. Around the time of the tournament, most command ships were under 100mil. now the majority are heading around 200mil. its not because ppl raised prices, its because demand has grown.
look at HACs, back not long after launch, you could hardly give a cerberus away, virtually all HACs were around the 80mil mark. Command ships are in less of asupply, so the price will raise well above 300mil imho.
So exactly why would someone waste isk on a BPO which has such huge profit margins, in a market which is cartel dictated, when they could invest a similar amount of isk, in a growing market, which will provide a much more stable investment?
You're a buffoon whose magnitude of buffoonery is so great that there is no current method of measuring it!
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RichThugster
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kari Moltov
Originally by: RichThugster
Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
well since the modules are "rip offish" and "expensive" why would you sell the BPO for anything less than what could be described as "rip offish" and "expensive"
You AFAIK hold a large number of the covert ops cloaks, you could very easily sell this BPO for say 60bil+ and then straight afterwards, crash the market. It is simply a cartel, there is nothing in place such as with HACs where demand totally outstrips supply, the prices are artificially high at 65mil for a cloak, i spect build costs are under 15mil (provided you have all the other cloak BPOs (which im pretty sure you do) you could 1/2 the price, still make a hefty profit, and laugh as some goon (not the goonswarm sort, but the plonker sort) has his payback time doubled, and you sit on his 60bil isk, for a BPO which will drop to half that.
That is probably a big reason as to why you had no bids for this. This close to Kali, big ppl are liquidising (such as yourself) mid range are saving isks, and picking up safe investments. Something, which the demand dictates, not the seller. such as Command ship BPOs, as more and more ppl skill for them, the price will rocket. Around the time of the tournament, most command ships were under 100mil. now the majority are heading around 200mil. its not because ppl raised prices, its because demand has grown.
look at HACs, back not long after launch, you could hardly give a cerberus away, virtually all HACs were around the 80mil mark. Command ships are in less of asupply, so the price will raise well above 300mil imho.
So exactly why would someone waste isk on a BPO which has such huge profit margins, in a market which is cartel dictated, when they could invest a similar amount of isk, in a growing market, which will provide a much more stable investment?
You're a buffoon whose magnitude of buffoonery is so great that there is no current method of measuring it!
You're a knob, biggest knob in the world
Cus you used fancy words, does that make your response any more valid? accurate? or trolltastic than mine?
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: RichThugster
Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
You AFAIK hold a large number of the covert ops cloaks, you could very easily sell this BPO for say 60bil+ and then straight afterwards, crash the market. It is simply a cartel, there is nothing in place such as with HACs where demand totally outstrips supply, the prices are artificially high at 65mil for a cloak, i spect build costs are under 15mil (provided you have all the other cloak BPOs (which im pretty sure you do) you could 1/2 the price, still make a hefty profit, and laugh as some goon (not the goonswarm sort, but the plonker sort) has his payback time doubled, and you sit on his 60bil isk, for a BPO which will drop to half that.
You are far from the truth... In your theory you assume I have large number of covert ops cloaks in stock, I presume you mean modules... No I don't. I sell all I make so I guess I cannot crash the market for the reasons you posted in your fictional scenario.
However, as I stated, you are far from truth... I would not crash any market since I hold more than one BPO and I would not shoot myself in the foot, now would I?
And thanks for lesson on Command ships... This is shocking news to me... oh wait... what are those bpos of each Field Commands doing in my factories!?
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RichThugster
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: RichThugster
Originally by: Naal Morno Well, despite repetitive posts on how expensive and rip offish Coverts Ops Cloaks II devices are, nobody wanted to pay anything decent for this BPO... Interesting.
You AFAIK hold a large number of the covert ops cloaks, you could very easily sell this BPO for say 60bil+ and then straight afterwards, crash the market. It is simply a cartel, there is nothing in place such as with HACs where demand totally outstrips supply, the prices are artificially high at 65mil for a cloak, i spect build costs are under 15mil (provided you have all the other cloak BPOs (which im pretty sure you do) you could 1/2 the price, still make a hefty profit, and laugh as some goon (not the goonswarm sort, but the plonker sort) has his payback time doubled, and you sit on his 60bil isk, for a BPO which will drop to half that.
You are far from the truth... In your theory you assume I have large number of covert ops cloaks in stock, I presume you mean modules... No I don't. I sell all I make so I guess I cannot crash the market for the reasons you posted in your fictional scenario.
However, as I stated, you are far from truth... I would not crash any market since I hold more than one BPO and I would not shoot myself in the foot, now would I?
And thanks for lesson on Command ships... This is shocking news to me... oh wait... what are those bpos of each Field Commands doing in my factories!?

at no point did i assume you have a large stock of Cov ops cloaks. you could however start selling your new produce at a lower prize, hence reducing the market, hence reducing the worth of the BPO you just sold. So you perhaps couldnt instantly crash the market, but you could skim a good 20mil per module off the prospective profits of the new BPO owner.
Sure, it would be shooting yourself in the foot, and throwing away potential profit, however if an enemy had bought it, you may do it to spite them. its not a huge loss to you, yet could do a lot of damage to the potential buyer. But ppl throwing away potential profit, has happened before and im sure will happen in the future. See Khatred, when he sold t2 ships at greatly reduced prices, HACs at 60mil iirc, when they were on market for 100mil+ See NAGA, who for as long as they have been open, have sold ships and modules at (most often) below market prices. See BIG, much the same as NAGA.
Now these 3 huge entities could easily have made billions more per week, however didnt for different reasons. NAGA and BIG to bring fairer prices to everyone. Khatred, IIRC was in protest at the big t2 ship producers who he wanted one to sell hima crow BPO.
Since they had shot themselves in the foot, why on earth wouldnt you? maybe your thinking about upping and leaving the game in a few months? maybe your having a change of heart, and going to follow NAGA/BIG lead examples in bringing fairer prices to consumers?
You asked a question about why there was no decent bids. i answered. Since you apparently know about command ships etc, and have bought a number of the BPOs, why cant you forsee that ppl may not be interested in your BPO for the reasons i stated, and may want to go after something, with a more concrete payback offer.
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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EFS Manager
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2006.11.05 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: RichThugster at no point did i assume you have a large stock of Cov ops cloaks. you could however start selling your new produce at a lower prize, hence reducing the market, hence reducing the worth of the BPO you just sold. So you perhaps couldnt instantly crash the market, but you could skim a good 20mil per module off the prospective profits of the new BPO owner.
No offence intended mate, but you clearly have no idea how the market works. If Naal sold off his cloaks at say 20 Mill below the current market prices, reseller would just buy up the lot and re-list at market prices.
I suggest you TRY crash a market like that and all that will happen is you sell off your stock VERY quickly and some reseller makes more profit. You do not effect the prices by much at all and even that small amount will typically only be for a very short period of time.
I honestly suggest a little investigation into market reactions to pricing changes before you start throwing accusations at people.
Regards,
EFS Manager
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RichThugster
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: EFS Manager
Originally by: RichThugster at no point did i assume you have a large stock of Cov ops cloaks. you could however start selling your new produce at a lower prize, hence reducing the market, hence reducing the worth of the BPO you just sold. So you perhaps couldnt instantly crash the market, but you could skim a good 20mil per module off the prospective profits of the new BPO owner.
No offence intended mate, but you clearly have no idea how the market works. If Naal sold off his cloaks at say 20 Mill below the current market prices, reseller would just buy up the lot and re-list at market prices.
I suggest you TRY crash a market like that and all that will happen is you sell off your stock VERY quickly and some reseller makes more profit. You do not effect the prices by much at all and even that small amount will typically only be for a very short period of time.
im by no means saying naal owns all of them, but if naal produced 99% of cloaks and dropped the price, the price would eventually lower, to what he is selling at. If it is done on a small scale then a reseller will buy and resell. If done en masse then the price will adjust.
If you dont believe me TRY buying up all the cloaks currently on market and sell at 20mil ontop. you may get lucky on a few.
Quote: I honestly suggest a little investigation into market reactions to pricing changes before you start throwing accusations at people.
surely im throwing out incorrect theories, not accusations at ppl. Regardless what you would call it, this is my opinion, im entitled to state it, as are you
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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EFS Manager
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:04:00 -
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As is evident by your response, you do not understand the market.
The price is the level at which supply meets demand, meaning:
If the price is too high then you can't sell all your production.
If the price is too low, they will sell out very fast and people will re-list them at the correct market price.
Of course it is not possible to buy them all and relist at 20 Mill above, as if I did that I would not be able to sell all my units and make an effective loss. However I will happily buy up ALL the production at 20 Mill below current market and relist at market prices, which is exactly what will happen were the producers to drop their prices.
Many producer have tried this (myself included), and all that has happened EVERY time is that someone buys up all the stock and relists it at a higher price. You contention has been proven false through history and not mere conjecture.
As to insults, you implied that Naal may do something that is tantamount to ripping someone off, which in my book is very much an insult.
Sincerely,
EFS Manager
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SeckelitE
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.06 11:49:00 -
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parthon
The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.06 13:16:00 -
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You are all mad You should all undock once in a while and see what the game is realy like, and stop counting your isk (inside the station)
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Zafira Nasr
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Posted - 2006.11.06 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: parthon You are all mad You should all undock once in a while and see what the game is realy like, and stop counting your isk (inside the station)
Uhm, Naal often does.. He has a PVP Alt.
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