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Curzon Dax
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:15:00 -
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I've been troubled lately about what I should be running missions in. I love drones, and want a drone ship. Currently, I'm using a Dominix with this setup:
High: 3x E500 Energy Vampires, 1 Drone Link Augmentor, 1 Tractor Beam, 1x 125mm Railgun
Medium: 5x Cap Recharger IIs
Low: 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field, 1x Tech2 LAR, 1x Centus X LAR, 4x Tech2 hardeners.
I carry drones in accordance with what I'm going to be fighting. I haven't met a L4 mission that I can't solo yet...in fact, I can aggro entire rooms and laugh off the damage in most of them. The only improvements I want to make to this setup is to change out the tech2 cap rechargers for Officer rechargers, and the Heavy nos for officer/deadspace NOS.
I wonder...should I get an Ishtar? Could it do better as a drone tank? I hear it both ways, and I don't know. Anyone had this debate before? I could really use some guidance. Thanks!
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Benjamin Olson
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:26:00 -
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Granted thats the worst mid slot setup ive seen, but its not all that bad. Use a few cap recharger II's in connection with ECM- Multispectrals.
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Curzon Dax
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:36:00 -
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Why is that a terrible midslot setup? I have as much cap boosting as I can so that I can run my Centus-X LAR nonstop, and occassionally cycle the other one if I'm getting more than I can handle. Combine that with tractor looting, and I go through a lot of cap.
Since I'm only using drones for damage, getting my locking disrupted doesn't hurt much -- I don't release drones until I have aggro, so they don't get shot at. And regardless of whether I'm locking anything or not, they'll still eat up my enemies. What are the multispectral ECMs for?
And still...would an Ishtar be better And why if it would?
-Curzon Dax |
Colwyn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:56:00 -
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No stick to your dominix... the ishtar doesnt do anything a domi cant.
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.23 01:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Benjamin Olson
Granted thats the worst mid slot setup ive seen, but its not all that bad. Use a few cap recharger II's in connection with ECM- Multispectrals.
I think you are confusing pvp and pve setups.
I'd personally drop a cap recharger and fit an ab because the domi is such a turd :P
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Zorthal Darendal
Gallente
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.10.23 08:26:00 -
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Yeah stick with the Domi. I have use both Ishtar and Domi for lvl4's, Domi is cheaper, can tank more, and u cannot do all the lvl4's solo in the Ishtar. But why not try an EOS, it's an Ishtar on steroids, and a bit more agile than a Domi.
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EvilNate
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zorthal Darendal
Yeah stick with the Domi. I have use both Ishtar and Domi for lvl4's, Domi is cheaper, can tank more, and u cannot do all the lvl4's solo in the Ishtar. But why not try an EOS, it's an Ishtar on steroids, and a bit more agile than a Domi.
EOS doesn't have dmg bonus to drones.
Nate.
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untook
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:22:00 -
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If it ain't broke....
However for the benefit of discussion:
The Ishtar is better at avoiding damage due to speed and sig radius, and has a faster lock time, but the big hitters will do comparitively more damage with a direct strike. The native resist bonus is countered by 2 fewer low slots. The Ishtar drone range bonus makes up for there being 1 less high slot.
You will have less range on your Nos so bear that in mind.
However you would have the option of fitting a large cap battery to the Ishtar to further boost your cap recharge (at the cost of the Nos I suspect).
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Har Ganeth
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Har Ganeth on 23/10/2006 10:45:46
For fighting Angels:-
5 x 720mm Prototype Artillery
1 x Heavy Nos
5 x Capacitor Recharger II (or Eutectic)
2 x large armour repairer II
4 x tech II hardeners
1 x cap relay or damage control (you may need the cap relay if you're using eutectics)
The tank should pretty much run forever.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:50:00 -
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Remove the damage control already.
If you go into structure in PvE, you've kinda failed.
Fitting something more useful would have prevented you from going into structure in the first place.
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LaCoHa
Caldari Deep Space Navy
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: LaCoHa on 23/10/2006 10:52:39
Yeah your Domi setup as it is, is about as good as it gets 
Ishtar for lvl IV's is kinda scary imo - you actually have to pay attention, and I hate that. haha.
Save yourself the 200m isk, and just stick with the domi. I have bought and subsequently sold a Lvl IV mission running Ishtar several times. It just can not compare with the Domi.
It seems like you got some isk, and if you really want to spend it, go for a dual Coprus-A (of whatever they are called) medium rpr EOS. I bet that thing could tank much more than the Domi, taking its built in resists in mind.
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Har Ganeth
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Remove the damage control already.
If you go into structure in PvE, you've kinda failed.
Fitting something more useful would have prevented you from going into structure in the first place.
Damage control bonus stacks with hardener bonuses with no penalty...
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Har Ganeth
Originally by: dalman
Remove the damage control already.
If you go into structure in PvE, you've kinda failed.
Fitting something more useful would have prevented you from going into structure in the first place.
Damage control bonus stacks with hardener bonuses with no penalty...
Which obviously is bugged, but he should still be able to get a better tank with a 5:th hardener or eanm in "every" situation.
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Sniper FC
Gallente
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:15:00 -
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I see nothing wrong with the setup although you might want to swap out 2 of the cap chargers for large bats (big as you can) this will give you a higher cap charge rate.
not sure of the math but it deff boosts the rate of re-charge. could prob run the 2nd rep longer.
I see ur happy to save up for faction gear as a true Mission runner does, look into getting 2 top named Centrum EANM and get the compensation skills up.
As for the domi vs ishtar, the ishtar can tank better raw DPS then the domi can in PVE when faction fitted BUT with eve in the state it is you would need a ship worth 800mill to rival the domi at 300mill. and with lag I would use a disposable domi and up ur 2nd rep.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:18:00 -
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for the question domi vs isthar
stick to the domi, if u get another faction rep u r good to go. the isthar is just a bit faster and is t1, but the domi has more hp and can tank better.
About gettin a t2 bc in the discussion. Where is the point in having a vessel wich is capeable of doing level 4 solo and then get a whole new vessel which is as big as the other one, but with a whole different damage dealing way?
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper FC
I see nothing wrong with the setup although you might want to swap out 2 of the cap chargers for large bats (big as you can) this will give you a higher cap charge rate.
not sure of the math but it deff boosts the rate of re-charge. could prob run the 2nd rep longer.
If that was about the dominix setup, you're horribly wrong.
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Drommy
Gallente
DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
I've been troubled lately about what I should be running missions in. I love drones, and want a drone ship. Currently, I'm using a Dominix with this setup:
High: 3x E500 Energy Vampires, 1 Drone Link Augmentor, 1 Tractor Beam, 1x 125mm Railgun
Medium: 5x Cap Recharger IIs
Low: 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field, 1x Tech2 LAR, 1x Centus X LAR, 4x Tech2 hardeners.
now if thats not a come get it setup i dunno what is, how does ur cap last with 3 reps?
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Drommy
Originally by: Curzon Dax
I've been troubled lately about what I should be running missions in. I love drones, and want a drone ship. Currently, I'm using a Dominix with this setup:
High: 3x E500 Energy Vampires, 1 Drone Link Augmentor, 1 Tractor Beam, 1x 125mm Railgun
Medium: 5x Cap Recharger IIs
Low: 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field, 1x Tech2 LAR, 1x Centus X LAR, 4x Tech2 hardeners.
now if thats not a come get it setup i dunno what is, how does ur cap last with 3 reps?
 @OP: If you cant fly a Raven properly you probably have the best mission set up allready.
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Drommy
Gallente
DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: Drommy
Originally by: Curzon Dax
I've been troubled lately about what I should be running missions in. I love drones, and want a drone ship. Currently, I'm using a Dominix with this setup:
High: 3x E500 Energy Vampires, 1 Drone Link Augmentor, 1 Tractor Beam, 1x 125mm Railgun
Medium: 5x Cap Recharger IIs
Low: 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field, 1x Tech2 LAR, 1x Centus X LAR, 4x Tech2 hardeners.
yeh, so caps good or bad then, ya see if ur gonna QFTW atleast base ur post one what ur quoting :)
now if thats not a come get it setup i dunno what is, how does ur cap last with 3 reps?
@OP: If you cant fly a Raven properly you probably have the best mission set up allready.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:48:00 -
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Dunno why people keep saying domi tanks better than ishtar, there is just no way a comparably fitted ishtar can be broken by any mission a domi can tank. I always fly HACs over BS, and lately CS over HACs. It just comes down to personal preference. Personally the higher speed , better agility and better tank is the reason i fly them over BS. The reason for the better tank is very simple and you already mentioned it your post:
T2 ships have better relative cap for their size. You need 4 medslots with capmodules to run a dual repper setup + hardeners on a ishtar for example, doesnt even need nos. And while a domi has two lowslots more, the builtin resistances equal 3 hardeners, without stacking penalty i might add. Add to that that everything BS sized misses you alot(torp shooting BS are just funny) you just take that much damage less. Half the BS in missions(everything trying to closerange) cant even hit you properly if your sitting still and dont move due to their own transversial. Also dont forget, the day you can fly the ishtar you get that 50% damage and hp bonus for your drones, for the domi you have to train lvl 5 BS first.
Now all of that being said, i have to agree that every mission you can do in a ishtar you can also do in a domi. Missions are just too easy, only thing that will change is that your cap problems will go away(well domi IS just a tier 1 BS), on my current CS build i dont have a single cap module, cap never goes down below 60%, and i only have 4-5 slots dedicated for tanking, for missions which favour my resistances i use the 4 slot tank other the 5 slot tank. But i use 4 damagemods, and thats on a field command not a fleet one. You try freeing up 4 lowslots for anything but tanking/cap on a BS and you know the difference.
P.S. Didnt want to sound rude but i dont understand those people who make up fantasy numbers about how ship tanking between ships of different classes compares. You cant compare HACs and BS just by looking at their resistances and hp/s anymore than you can compare AFs and cruisers. Bottomline is both ships can tank like crazy, ishtar will have less cap problems and ishtar automatically gets the most out of your drones without having to train a rank 8 skill to lvl 5. Ishtar also costs an arm and a leg and is more likely to get pwned if running into a pirate who has a vague idea about what he is doing. All that being said i personally find the ishtar to be vastly more fun to fly than a domi, and thats all that matters for me as there just isnt a single mission where i would say "oh if i only had a domi instead of my ishtar again"  .
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
I've been troubled lately about what I should be running missions in. I love drones, and want a drone ship. Currently, I'm using a Dominix with this setup:
High: 3x E500 Energy Vampires, 1 Drone Link Augmentor, 1 Tractor Beam, 1x 125mm Railgun
Medium: 5x Cap Recharger IIs
Low: 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field, 1x Tech2 LAR, 1x Centus X LAR, 4x Tech2 hardeners.
I carry drones in accordance with what I'm going to be fighting. I haven't met a L4 mission that I can't solo yet...in fact, I can aggro entire rooms and laugh off the damage in most of them. The only improvements I want to make to this setup is to change out the tech2 cap rechargers for Officer rechargers, and the Heavy nos for officer/deadspace NOS.
I wonder...should I get an Ishtar? Could it do better as a drone tank? I hear it both ways, and I don't know. Anyone had this debate before? I could really use some guidance. Thanks!
Ishtar is really only "better" than a domi in PvP (where the increased speed/agility comes in handy). I briefly experimented in using mine for level 4 missions, and quickly went back to domi after nearly losing the ishtar on a mission I could do easily with the domi with a similar setup.
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:45:00 -
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Agree with an earlier poster who suggested that if you can do them all easily, why look for anything else. The Cap rechargers are fine unless you can fit a Heavy Elecromechanical (or better) for the deep doo-doo situations...
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Har Ganeth
Damage control bonus stacks with hardener bonuses with no penalty...
DC stacks with 2 EANM II results in higher resists than 3 EANM II because the DC's un-penalized resist boost is higher than the 3rd EANM's penalized boost. But if you are using hardeners of different resist types, stacking penalties are no concern and a EANM will give better armor resists stacking with hardeners, than with a DC.
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.10.24 11:27:00 -
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To the OP:
The question depends on which lvl missions you are running.
For lvl 3 missions the ishtar beats the dom. With a relatively cheap setup Ishtar rips through those with incredible speed.
For lvl 4 missions - especially the harder ones - the domi is better. (Exception are probably the serp missions, since ishtar can be setup to have crazy resistances against therm/kinetic damage)
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2006.10.24 13:09:00 -
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I suggest a passively shield tanked Ishtar. Should be way cheaper than the ebil large Centus repairer.
Also, I would not put a damage control unit on a mission ship - you're are not meant to structure tank in missions, mkay?
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