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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:13:00 -
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My intentions here are not to belittle the CFS in any way but to enlighten and offer another option. As many know, Omega Corp is at war with the CA under the SA flag so what may sound like CA propaganda is certainly not and is simply my honest assessment of the situation.
The CA have no incentive to stop the war with the CFS as I can see. The CA are apparently dominating this front and the reasons are simple, CA have more PvP experience. Their war will not stop until they either recieve an unconditional surrender or CFS disintegrates under the pressure.
PvP experience is more then most understand and cannot be matched by shear numbers of non PvP experienced players. That simply means a larger body count and greater losses. It's knowlege of how to handle ones ship, how to load it out to maximize its effectiveness, knowing when to stand your ground and when to fall back to fight another day.
On a larger tactical scale it is the knowlege of how to configure a fleet that compliments the other ships within the fleet, how to properly move this force about the map and battlefield, how to coordinate all the warriors in the fleet to act as a well oiled killing machine, etc.
On the overall strategic level it is knowing what it takes to win a war and how to destroy a corp or alliance. Most people have this totally wrong imo. They think it's "destroy as many enemy ships as possible" and it's not that simple. Successful destruction of enemy assets is a part of it but more importantly it's a game of pshychological warfare waged for the hearts and minds of the members within both sides. Kill the heart and the body will follow.
Now I admire the brave military men of the CFS that were willing to fight against the CA but I'm sorry, imo you're outmatched on too many levels. You must choose another course if you are to see your enemies defeat.
I offer an alternative path:
I invite the CFS corps and or members of any CFS corp that may have already collapsed to join Omega Corp. I'm not suggesting you abandon your friends, I'm saying to BRING your friends out of a futile situation. Have the foresight to see the writing on the wall and the wisdom to preserve the assets that you may still posses before they are lost as well.
Omega Corp has the PvP experience I mentioned and has been one of the most succesful militaries since beta 4. This is neither luck nor coincidence. It takes training, great teamwork and dedication to achieve this. Within Omega Corp you would have the opportunity to avenge yourselves and have a future.
We do not want your assets as OC members do not give the corp anything but their loyalty, camaraderie and a portion of their time for training and military ops. OC provides several financial opportunities to it's members and when we do mine (on a voluntary basis) the corp pays good wages. Most of our members become wealthier then many corps and that's how we like it.
Omega Corp provides the military vessels for the operations so you wont be asked to commit your personal ships to large scale military ops.
The Future
Omega Corp has extremely long range goals and plans to achieve them. We look at the future in terms of 1-2 years, not days or weeks. Over the next few months those loyal members with us will achieve personal wealth and power only dreamed of by whole corporations. Whether your ambitions are to enjoy a simple military career or to be an [OC]Baron in command of an OC territory with its own members it is all achievable within Omega Corp.
If you choose to stay your current course then I wish you the best of luck. But if you wish to realize your ambitions on a grand scale, have the patience and motivation to work towards it, then I offer our friendship, our corporation and together we can and will make it all come to pass.
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Magusa
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Magusa on 03/11/2003 12:20:00
Duke you have no idea what you are talking about or are flat out lying. The CA never wanted to fight with CFS. In fact, Im sure a lot of us are looking forward to travel freely through CFS space in peace.
SA people like yourself always try to get the entire Eve community and their alliances against CA. What's the matter you can't handle us all by yourselves oh mighty SA? It's rather sad that SA always tries to get others to fight with them when it comes to CA then says how great they are. 
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Wren
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:19:00 -
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The CFS and the CA are enemies?
Last thing I heard was that a peace settlement has been ratified by all involved parties and was in full effect.
Are you suggesting, Duke, that the CFS are a bunch of ravenous war-mongers who are bent on some twisted quest of revenge?
Or is this just a campaign to bring in some members to Omega?
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Magusa
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:21:00 -
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Yes we are coming to peace now but this clown is still trying to keep CFS and CA at war. Like I said....Sad
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bullwyff
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:34:00 -
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Yo Duke
I can take a look at this post in several ways.
1.  Youre offering people that are in corps of cfs a membership into youre corp to get rich and get some pvp experience. And a pass to get into STAIN in the same time.
 I beleive you have some rich corp members and yes i believe youre corp has good PVP experienced members. And probably youre all working nice together and have a good time. So what youre offering them sounds nice
2Youre telling also that you are in war with CA. Thats treu also. Think everybody knows about that by this time.
Looks also like you are offering CFS members to come and join you in youre war against CA while we are in peace talks at the moment. That would be a little weird dont you think so. Or is this just a way to keep this war going on.
3 My conclusion offering them a membership oke but just think you pikked the wrong time to do it. Probably youre post is not ment as propaganda but like i read it, it makes me wonder is it or is it not. Do you want extra members or do you want extra forces to keep the war going on.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.11.03 13:35:00 -
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Though I have always had respect for Omega, and Duke, what I see posted boils down to this:
Um guys! If you sign peace, we need help. If any of you who do not want the war to stop come and join Omega, it would help a lot.
Of course, that's only my personal and humble opinion. :)
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.11.03 13:50:00 -
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The CA have no incentive to stop the war with the CFS as I can see. The CA are apparently dominating this front and the reasons are simple, CA have more PvP experience. Their war will not stop until they either recieve an unconditional surrender or CFS disintegrates under the pressure.
Duke, I don't know if i should be flattered by your offer or offended that you try to take advantage of a difficult situation.
Either way, given the fact that mere formalities stand between the alliances and the peace they both crave, your entire post is somewhat moot.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.03 13:56:00 -
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Duke, I don't know if i should be flattered by your offer or offended that you try to take advantage of a difficult situation.
Either way, given the fact that mere formalities stand between the alliances and the peace they both crave, your entire post is somewhat moot.
Question is: Since the CFS is so big and with such different members, does all members want the same thing?
I guess many in CFS are considering their future.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.11.03 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 03/11/2003 16:51:29
This does seem to be trying to drive a wedge between factions within the CFS, and from another angle can be seen as a step to even further de-stabilising the CFS by removing the more PVP inclined from that alliance,
Hmmmm thinking long term does that mean an attempted takeover of CFS space ?
Tal
What goes around comes around ...
What goes around comes around...
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Harrow Wilkes
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Posted - 2003.11.03 16:48:00 -
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Dalman is right on the money here. Just because CFS leadership has decided to sign a "peace treaty" with CA, does not mean that all of their members are willing to lay down their arms so quickly. This thread was meant for those members of the CFS who have long memories and are not so ready to forget why they started the war in the first place.
As far as SA needing any more help to take down CA...what a joke. SA and Omega Corp have been doing a fine job of fighting the CA pretty much by ourselves since our war began. Both sides have won and lost battles and the war is far from over. IMO, neither side has the resources or manpower to completely destroy the other anyhow..and gaining a few members from CFS will hardly turn the tides in SA's favor.
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Posted - 2003.11.03 19:14:00 -
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For a recruitment strategy, I found it ironic that you first insult your intended audience that they suck donkey's dung and that OC is their savior.
Can you say," MegaloManic Canidate" brewing.
Rethink your "psycho" strategy. You are not winning their hearts.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.03 19:38:00 -
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For a recruitment strategy, I found it ironic that you first insult your intended audience that they suck donkey's dung and that OC is their savior.
Can you say," MegaloManic Canidate" brewing.
Rethink your "psycho" strategy. You are not winning their hearts.
The thread is obviously for persons that has already lost their hearts.
Because they want PvP and now realize that they will never get that in CFS, so they are considering where they can get that.
And then Omega corp is a very good option.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:32:00 -
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Well CFS is under new leadership and have a Peace Treaty.
Why don't you guys give them a chance to reform it and be part of something new and better without vulturing.
It really is in bad taste, to incite membership because of revenge. The war was fought fairly.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:38:00 -
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I did not mince words. I believe that some of the corps and members within the CFS do not agree with the "peace with pirates proposal" and are looking for something else.
I am offering these individuals and groups that understand that peace with the CA only allows the CA to become more entrenched and grow in power. I am addressing those that understand you can fight them now or fight them later when they are more powerful.
You must ask yourself, "is peace with pirates what you wanted? Does this agreement uphold your former ideals without compromise?" If you answered yes to both questions then good luck because I think you'll need it.
If however you answered no and have been at a loss as to how you could continue your fight against organized piracy marketed as legitimate war then you are the one that this post is directed at.
If a corp or alliance no longer follows the path a member believes in then he should leave and find one of like mind. Omega Corp is an anti-pirate corporation that understands exactly what the CA are and will be if left unchallenged.
We of Omega Corp will meet that challenge. We will not stand idly by or rollover. We understand that the price of peace with CA is far too high. What is peace without your integrity? We have consistently handed them severe losses while remaining virtually unscathed. We can and WILL stand against the CA. We can and will train anyone regardless of past experience to stand with us as true warriors baptized in the blood of pirates. Take up the sword, redemption is within your grasp.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"... the choice is yours.
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Posted - 2003.11.03 21:30:00 -
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Surely, Duke you are a mature and adult individual. Your insistance to call CA pirates still is well, immature.
Labeling People what they are not is one of the reasons CFS was in a war.
Something to think about.
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Keith Merim
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Posted - 2003.11.03 22:07:00 -
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Basic text of the "Peace Treaty":
CFS Corporation CEO's are invited to contact Sarkos, Chief CA diplomat, via evemail. Neutrality will be granted to each corp individually as this occurs, and are asked to change their corp tags appropriately. They will acknowledge that no CA member or corp are to be KOS in their home regions. Corps that do not contact us will continue to be KOS.
Neutral parties are reminded that travel into the regions surrounding Curse (bordered by Egbinger and HED-GP) is not advisable, and is at your own risk. Entry into Curse remains prohibited due to the volatile nature of this areas.
The 'peace treaty' is then followed by 4 pages of aggressive posts, accusations, and one CA guy flat out saying 'this isn't a peace treaty, this is your surrender'.
CFS has essentially been locked out of Curse, to put it in the mildest of terms, and signed a treaty with some of the most selfish, greedy players I've seen in 20 years of computer gaming.
Today the Curse Alliance 'annexed' the Great Wildlands, and made that Region part of the territory claimed by them. It was not peace they wanted from CFS, it was the chance to divert assets to a new area of space; a chance to pirate from corps unprepared for the assault. The treaty simply shifted the CFS/CA hostilities onto yet unseen entities in GW.
Omega Corp doesn't need members to battle the CA successfully...we crush them at nearly every encounter (yes, I end up in a pod alot, but I fly the scout ships frequently  ).
Omega Corp wants members seeking something grander than they have now, and wants members seeking the opportunity to bleed the CA a little deeper.
We look forward to receiving those players who share our ideals and desires.
-Knight Shaar, Omega Corp
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Pogy Bait
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Posted - 2003.11.03 22:47:00 -
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Bah, EV doesn't fight CA because of pirates or because we harbor pirates. They attack CA because they enjoy PvP and piracy is an accepted excuse to attack your neighbor on these forums.
If SA actually gave a care about piracy they'd be up in Venal helping the NVA fight against Biomass or SI. 2 corps that are happily living the pirate life.
"We in CA are not pirates" TM (dang if that is getting old) but we do have an attackable spot on the map. Where as a great many of the actual pirate corps migrate to and fro, and thus are hard to actually stage an attack against.
So EV, pull the plug on the anti-piracy thing and admit you just attack CA because we are close, or because we dress funny, or because you can attack us and still be docked in time to spend some quality time with the old lady  , what ever.
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:05:00 -
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Ummmmmmm Great Wildands has been a CA protectorate for as long as its been in existense - try those maps someone made about 1 month ago before you open your misled mouth :D
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:16:00 -
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I believe that some of the corps and members within the CFS do not agree with the "peace with pirates proposal" and are looking for something else.
Wait a minute, I thought these people didn't exist. At least that's what we were told when we offered peace treaties to the CFS corps on an individual basis. We were told that the CFS was dedicated to peace and that we were ruining an possibility of a long lasting agreement. All of a sudden we had come up with another plot to divide the CFS and continue our war. What are we to take this offer as, an act of charity?
Here is the crux of all the anti-CA sentiment that obviously runs through the viens of the entire Eve universe. Nearly the only difference between the proposal laid out here and the one from CA which was given not but a few days ago is the one from CA offers a chance at peace instead of prolonged war. Not only did we offer peace to anyone in the CFS who wanted it, but we also agreed to a cease-fire as an act of good faith. Yet, we are still accused of trying to prolong the war and kill as many helpless pilots as possible. Does that seem strange to anyone else?
Pretty soon you're going to look up from that hole that you're digging and realise that you're in over your head.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
Keith Merim
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:22:00 -
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Ummmmmmm Great Wildands has been a CA protectorate for as long as its been in existense - try those maps someone made about 1 month ago before you open your misled mouth :D
Of course it was, Seer. That's why it had to be annexed and 'officially' announced.
Shoooo fly, and go spread your filth elsewhere.
-Shaar
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Magusa
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Posted - 2003.11.04 00:20:00 -
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Though I have always had respect for Omega, and Duke, what I see posted boils down to this:
Um guys! If you sign peace, we need help. If any of you who do not want the war to stop come and join Omega, it would help a lot.
Of course, that's only my personal and humble opinion. :)
My thougths exactly Sarkos. Maybe it was the standoff with out 15 BS at the entrance to Stain on Sunday that spooked him.
Yea Omega, we're coming to play agin! 
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.04 16:02:00 -
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Some people in the Eve community are not fooled by the CA. To those people I ask you not to listen to the carebear politicians within your corps or alliances. History has shown time and time again that these people will lead you to ruin and subjugation.
Do not listen to the faint of heart politicians that want peace "at any cost" or the lies of the CA marauding hordes who want nothing more then to pick you off one by one. Listen to your gut instincts, deep down you know the truth. You know what you must do.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.04 16:10:00 -
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CFS is not an alliance, it's a chat channel.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.04 16:27:00 -
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Some people in the Eve community are not fooled by the CA. To those people I ask you not to listen to the carebear politicians within your corps or alliances. History has shown time and time again that these people will lead you to ruin and subjugation.
Do not listen to the faint of heart politicians that want peace "at any cost" or the lies of the CA marauding hordes who want nothing more then to pick you off one by one. Listen to your gut instincts, deep down you know the truth. You know what you must do.
Like I said before Duke, why is our peace proposal seen as a warmongering, underhanded act while your invitation to continue this war is, according to you, in everybodys best interests?
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.05 13:49:00 -
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I did not say your peace proposal was warmongering. It is common strategy to limit ones war fronts to prevent over extending ones military forces. It is then easier to attack and remove the larger threats one by one. Divide and conquer.
Of course once the largest threats are removed and the opportunity to stop them has passed, the smaller corps they were "at peace" with will have no choice but to submit to their whims.
I must admit that the strategists within the CA are pretty good. They have made some grave errors though in their overall plans for conquest and the timing of the execution of certain stages.
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Keith Merim
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Posted - 2003.11.05 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Shaar on 05/11/2003 18:22:48
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Like I said before Duke, why is our peace proposal seen as a warmongering, underhanded act while your invitation to continue this war is, according to you, in everybodys best interests?
Your new peace proposal is not the least bit threatening to anyone. It simply allows you to open wars on a new front, which is obviously directed into the Great Wildlands, and perhaps a bit more toward the SA (which is actually making the SA/CA war more enjoyable, since they actually have time to defend the Curse Region a little better )
Taking a note from history, those 'privateers of the Queen' (aka pirates, like Sir Francis Drake), were also just expanding territory for England, and, to follow the metaphore thru, GW is now Spain.
Further expansion or agression of CA forces beyond the boarders of Curse should not be tolerated by any Eve player.
-Shaar
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.11.08 08:15:00 -
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Aye, there is a diffrense between PvP and
just pure suicide - witch going into battle
with flawed commanders can be.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.09 01:03:00 -
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The CA have always wanted to attack CFS and will do so again given the chance. The current peace is just a breather for CA to reload.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.09 01:05:00 -
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Scragg, we have peace with CFS, deal with it. BTW, I havent heard from you in a while are your MWD's not working?
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Araborne
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Posted - 2003.11.09 02:01:00 -
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Scragg, we have peace with CFS, deal with it. BTW, I havent heard from you in a while are your MWD's not working?
Hmmmm, Seems there IS always Deniablilty
"There is always deniability"
--- Leyla, Curse Alliance of Pirates
"Hey what kind of underpants am I wearing ?"
--- Pooti, CrossDressing CA member
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