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Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.23 18:58:00 - [1] Hi Everyone, first i'd like to thank everyone who has shown their support to me and this project. And now the good news, starting today i'm begining the coding of the new version v3.0 i'll only mostly have the weekends, but i'm hoping to have it done in 2 weeks (i hope). The new features planed are - ingame display with settings - ships & pilots pilot count - add updated time to char info - bloolines included in racial statistics - show current skill training - check that all skills are in database - check sorting issues - allow a setting of a password ingame to be used in authentication in the out of game site - with login allow person to list all the members of his corporation, not shown to everyone to make it harder to find all the members of a corp for security reasons. - add extra security to upload and setting private, ability to set skill upload only if authenticated (Also this is the last chance to suggest something to get included) And now the surprise teaser :) i'll be extended the shills showroom into something more, i hope it'll be to everyones liking :) but it'll be a total surprise :D Current Eve Skills Showroom I'm renting private & protected hosted copies of this application for your corporation or alliance, please contact me for details if your are interested. Let the develoment of v3.0 begin ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:14:00 - [2] The showroom is a great idea its interesting to see what other pilots trained and seeing the Racial Statistics was a real eye opener. My only concern is how do you know if someoneÆs cheating or not? Passive shield tanking guide click here
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:39:00 - [3] I like the showroom, but as a skill collector may i ask for a miner feature change? instead of getting the list of existing skills from the database, get some user input on what skills exactly exist, so the "missing skills" is more accurate. DED Connections for instance does not exist, Black Market Trading is currently "creation only" (you cant get it unless you got it from creation)... Maybe you can even start by making a list of distict skills that any character in your database has, to see if a skill exists. (This may drop existing but rarely seen skills such as Minmatar Titan simply because no-one trained it yet, but its a good place to start) skills top 20 My skill list
RaTTuS BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 10:20:00 - [4] Nice, Cannot wait. \o/ umm new fetures. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Helen Baque Gallente Baque Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Miranda Duvall instead of getting the list of existing skills from the database, get some user input on what skills exactly exist, so the "missing skills" is more accurate. Skills that are not available are in red, IIRC, though maybe a different color for skills that are in-game, but hard to get, would be cool. -- I already have a girlfriend. Her name is EVE. ;-)
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Helen Baque Originally by: Miranda Duvall instead of getting the list of existing skills from the database, get some user input on what skills exactly exist, so the "missing skills" is more accurate. Skills that are not available are in red, IIRC, though maybe a different color for skills that are in-game, but hard to get, would be cool. Orange ? :) ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:45:00 - [7] I'm still missing the faction ships :P EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:06:00 - [8] How do I remove myself from the website (just incase)? Ship lovers click here
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Hellspawn01 How do I remove myself from the website (just incase)? It has been said in the other threads, just mail me wishing to be removed and i'll remove your character. sorry to see you go ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:50:00 - [10] i dont like the current skill in training idea. Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
PingKiller Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Miranda Duvall I like the showroom, but as a skill collector may i ask for a miner feature change? instead of getting the list of existing skills from the database, get some user input on what skills exactly exist, so the "missing skills" is more accurate. DED Connections for instance does not exist, Black Market Trading is currently "creation only" (you cant get it unless you got it from creation)... Maybe you can even start by making a list of distict skills that any character in your database has, to see if a skill exists. (This may drop existing but rarely seen skills such as Minmatar Titan simply because no-one trained it yet, but its a good place to start) /signed Would be a nice future to see how many of the ppl on your page have the skill (add yourself one) skilled already. Skills which arent existing or not trainable (as only to get cia creation (bad idea ccp, thats not helping old player to gain it now :( )) should be red or gain a own section into the missing skills page as example. The ones u can buy and start to skill is green the best colour. The ones u can buy but not started skilled in orange or so. And at least please update the skill database on the ones which Kali brings to us. And as extra line: Keep up your superb work :)
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Roxanna Kell i dont like the current skill in training idea. Why ? ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:08:00 - [13] Originally by: PingKiller Would be a nice future to see how many of the ppl on your page have the skill (add yourself one) skilled already. And as extra line: Keep up your superb work :) Maybe an extra statictics, but be prepared to have something like Gallante Battleship 800 people have the skill trained. I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for your support :) ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:16:00 - [14] Sara, once again, fantastic job on the Skills Showroom. It has been so well received that I've been giving some thought to discontinuing the Top 20 lists, making the Showroom the sole source of skills rankings and data. There are a couple of additions to the Showroom that would make this possible without taking anything away from any participant in the Top 20. The first item would be a ranking of players' "Points per Skill". It has been a popular Top 20 list because it to some extent is an indicator of specialization, and moreso because new players are able to compete for a high ranking here. The second item has to do with limited disclosure. There are a few people that participate in the Top 20 but not the Showroom because they do not want all of the details of their skills known. They want to be recognized for having a high Total Skill Point rank, or a high Total Skill rank, but do not wish to disclose any more detail. You may be already planning this, but item two would be a mechanism that would allow players to opt out of showing all details and flag only the specific categories that they would like to display. I look forward to V3.0
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 27/10/2006 00:22:21 Originally by: Sara Dawn Originally by: Roxanna Kell i dont like the current skill in training idea. Why ? I don't like it either, but it's not really a problem. You just search for the skill you're currently training in the xml file and change the 'flag' attribute from 61 to 7. Originally by: Dr Caymus The first item would be a ranking of players' "Points per Skill". It has been a popular Top 20 list because it to some extent is an indicator of specialization, and moreso because new players are able to compete for a high ranking here. Yes please - this is the one main thing I miss from the showroom that the top 20 has to offer. As an aside, the main page of the showroom is missing the button for Top skills in Rank 5. Looking at the source, what has happened is that there is a missing quotation mark in this bit of the code. Quote: <a href="top_rank.php?rank=5>5</a> Should read: Quote: <a href="top_rank.php?rank=5">5</a> Interesting times await...
Coronach	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:32:00 - [16] Great project Sara Dawn. Thank you very much for it. The plans and suggestions all look good too. It's probably more trouble than it's worth, but one thing I think might be nice is a "weekly snapshot" feature. I mainly ask for it since my memory sucks and I can't recall my past rankings so I'm never sure if I'm going up or down. Also for when I drop a spot in the top ten for a category, and can't tell which is the new name above mine. Some other easier things I can think of adding are: - a way to see more than just the top ten for each category (how about 20, 100, or all?) - a "last updated" field for the character view to remind me how stale my data is - rankings for the rest of the data under Personal Statistics (Levels Trained, Ranks Trained, Skillpoints Ratio, Piloted Ships) - have rankings reflect ties -- this one probably only applies to Learning since that's the only category that I can think of where many people have the same skillpoints because they're all maxed... all of whom could be considered to be tied for fourth (since there are three with extra skillpoints) Anyway, that's it. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to v3. Coronach
Coronach	Posted - 2006.10.27 21:17:00 - [17] Oh, and one more thing... How about adding faction ships to the Ship List?
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.28 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Coronach Oh, and one more thing... How about adding faction ships to the Ship List? I asked that before, but it seems very low on the priority list :D EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Coronach Oh, and one more thing... How about adding faction ships to the Ship List? I asked that before, but it seems very low on the priority list :D The issues with that are, i need to manualy go over all the ships, and that's not easy alot of them dont show up on normal variantions info, i would have manualy insert every skill they require by hand. It'll be extremly hard if not impossible to find a way to get the info on them all, and i would need to do some other coding changes and visual changes as they dont fit into the normal 4 races. If someone would get that information to me in a parseable format i'd inclued it asap. ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Zoltaris COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:09:00 - [20] Edited by: Zoltaris on 28/10/2006 19:11:36 Originally by: Dr Caymus Edited by: Dr Caymus on 27/10/2006 00:33:06 Sara, once again, fantastic job on the Skills Showroom. It has been so well received that I've been giving some thought to discontinuing the Top 20 lists, making the Showroom the sole source of skills rankings and data. There are a couple of additions to the Showroom that would make this possible without taking anything away from any participant in the Top 20. The first item would be a ranking of players' "Points per Skill". It has been a popular Top 20 list because it to some extent is an indicator of specialization, and because new players are able to compete for a high ranking here. The second item has to do with limited disclosure. There are a few people that participate in the Top 20 but not the Showroom because they do not want all of the details of their skills known. They want to be recognized for having a high Total Skill Point rank, or a high Total Skill rank, but do not wish to disclose any more detail. You may be already planning this - item two would be a mechanism that would allow players to opt out of showing all details and flag only the specific categories that they would like to display. I look forward to V3.0 Well, i wouldn't mind you stoping the top 20 if these addition are done, but i would really like to get the players ranking in 4 columns (total skills, total SP, total lvl 5 skills, SP / skills) as the 1st thing we see when we look at the showroom Also, instead of a top 20, it wouldn't be harder to do a top 50 or even a top 100, since it doesn't need to be done manually in the showroom And finally, Sara, would it be possible to add the SP done from the current skill in training to the total of SP for all chars ex: Total skill points: 59,403,548 +Currently training a skill to: level 5 +Time left: 21 hours, 55 minutes, 4 seconds +SP done: 115201 of 164384 So, my real total of SP is 59,403,548 + 115,201 (59,518,749) but on the showroom, the actual total shown would be 59,403,548 This isn't too bad when you just started a new skill, but it make a big difference for someone training a high rank skill to lvl 5 for a few weeks (something like a dread skill) ----- > Order Falcon & Pilgrim
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:49:00 - [21] - ingame display with settings - ships & pilots pilot count done - add updated time to char info done - bloolines included in racial statistics done - show current skill training - check that all skills are in database - check sorting issues - allow a setting of a password ingame to be used in authentication in the out of game site - with login allow person to list all the members of his corporation, not shown to everyone to make it harder to find all the members of a corp for security reasons. - add extra security to upload and setting private, ability to set skill upload only if authenticated I havent not forgoten about the changes proposted above, this is just a report on what's done from the list i first proposed, i'll add the new things asked here tomorrow. Just as a curiosity, of the new bloodlines the most used in descending order are, Achura, Khanid, Vherokior, Jin-Mei. ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Helen Baque Gallente Baque Industries	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Sara Dawn Orange ? :) I take it from your sly grin that you have addressed this in 3.0. :-) So as it stands now, we have: green -- you have this skill yellow -- you don't have it, but it's ready to train red -- you don't have it, you can't get it, it's not seeded/in-game Currently yellow includes skills like Black Market Trading, which you can get at character creation only. Perhaps these are in the orange category? There are also skills like Omnipotent and Polaris that are red, but are NEVER going to be available, because they are dev-/support-only. These seem different from say, Carriers or Warp Navigation, which look like they could be player skills, but are in testing. Maybe those dev-only skills could be magenta or something. So between my guesswork and my suggestions, that would give us: green -- you have this skill yellow -- you don't have it, but it's ready to train red -- you don't have it, you can't get it, it's not seeded/in-game, and may never be, but you may be able to get it someday, when or if it's ready for release orange -- it's in-game but at character creation only magenta -- it's in game, but dev-only I definitely thik you should not CHANGE any colors as some have suggested. That would just be confusing, and I am easily confused. The Skills Showroom is awesome, and I can't wait to see 3.0. :-) -- I already have a girlfriend. Her name is EVE. ;-)
Coronach	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Sara Dawn Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Coronach Oh, and one more thing... How about adding faction ships to the Ship List? I asked that before, but it seems very low on the priority list :D The issues with that are, i need to manualy go over all the ships, and that's not easy alot of them dont show up on normal variantions info, i would have manualy insert every skill they require by hand. It'll be extremly hard if not impossible to find a way to get the info on them all, and i would need to do some other coding changes and visual changes as they dont fit into the normal 4 races. If someone would get that information to me in a parseable format i'd inclued it asap. Oki, I'll take this on. Do you have a sample or any preference for the data structure? Data-wise, do you just need the name of the ship and the skills required? Fit-wise, I think you could place them wherever the background colour for the ship image matches.
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:16:00 - [24] great :) here's what i need The data can be in CSV (like in excell). These id's are the eve's database id. ships.csv -> shipID,classID,shipName,raceID example -> 582,25,Bantam,1 skips_skills.csv -> shipID,skillID,level example -> 582,3330,2 Here is some data to help you. raceID, raceName 1, Caldari 2, Minmatar 4, Amarr 8, Gallente classID, className 25, Frigate 26, Cruiser 27, Battleship 28, Industrial 29, Capsule 30, Titan 31, Shuttle 237, Rookie ship 324, Elite Frigate 358, Elite Cruiser 380, Elite Industrial 381, Elite Battleship 419, Battlecruiser 420, Destroyer 463, Mining Barge 485, Dreadnought 513, Freighter 540, Elite Battlecruiser 541, Elite Destroyer 543, Elite Mining Barge 547, Carrier 559, Mothership The images need to be png 64x64 with the shipID as name. example -> 582.png (for the bantam) You can send any more questions and what you do to my email. dawn.sara at gmail.com :) Thanks for doing this :)) ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
PingKiller Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.29 23:15:00 - [25] Edited by: PingKiller on 29/10/2006 23:22:37 Edited by: PingKiller on 29/10/2006 23:19:34 i thought while i try to cure my very bad cold on 1-2 more things u maybe want to add / change: Levels Trained Level 0 : 0 (0.00%) (current) Levels Trained Level 0 : 0 (0.00%) 1301st place (new?) And if u have following: 56. Dou Intaki (223) 57. Kattman (223) 58. Not Me (223) 59. PingKiller (223) ^^ How about to sort those by alphabetic or does it sort/add by the time i update my xml on your page? i thought i notice it doesnt seem to sort at all, just random numbers... if those ideas are idiotic, ignore them, its my cold :p --- edited --- looks like my 2nd point works already, maybe i just have looked wrong or did u change that lately or maybe didnt sort in all skills topten's ??? --- edited 2nd time --- ok, looks like it works into the skill total count listing, but not as example into Skills in Rank 16.
PingKiller Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:25:00 - [26] Originally by: PingKiller --- edited 2nd time --- ok, looks like it works into the skill total count listing, but not as example into Skills in Rank 16. looks like none of the Ranking lists are sorted, so sometimes hard to find the own player. but also a new idea. TOP Characters with Skills in Rank 14 <- current TOP Characters with Skills in Rank 14 (5 in total) <- new so that should help to know if a player has all rank14 skills trained or just missed the one or other.
mr smiler	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:17:00 - [27] I am a big fan of the skill showroom keep up the good work and good luck with the new stuff.
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:49:00 - [28] I'd like to thank Coronach for sending me the data regarding faction ships, everything was as i needed it for just "plug&play" on the website :) So great news to everyone, Faction Ships will be in v3.0 :) ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2006 07:33:05 I understand faction ships will be included, so no reason to talk about it anymore ;) About the "coloring" of skills, I understand that's also "fixed", so no point talking about it much either. Just a thought, though: - white for trained skills - green for skills able to train - yellow for skills with prerequisites trained but not at sufficient level - orange for skills with some missing prerequisites - red for skills not available in-game at the moment but that were available or might be available again (mobile refinery, biology, black market trading, etc) - violet for skills not likely to be ever public (jove, polaris, omnipotent, warp navigation) ____ A few features/statistics for 3.00 or later... FEATURES - corp name as link, click to show all pilots uploaded belonging to that corp - optionally (at upload time) ability to allow display of attributes (default disabled) - ... and ISK in hand (default disabled) - ... and "skill in training" (default enabled) - "anonymous" upload option (as opposed to "private") : hide name/corp name/portrait, show skills POSSIBLE USEFUL STATISTICS - base and base+learning (implants not included, because CCP decided to leave'em out of XLM lately, no idea why) statistics, overall and per bloodline (race not so relevant) - for each skill, "owned by X out of Y" overall/race/bloodline - for each skill, "level equal or higher as Z out of W" overall/race/bloodline - for each ship, "flown by X out of Y pilots, Z out of Q of your race, W out of T of your bloodline" - a new page, "ships not flown" and for each ship there, "show missing (required) skills" Well, I guess not all could be in 3.00 (or even in 4.00) but who knows _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Akita T a new page, "ships not flown" and for each ship there, "show missing (required) skills" Yup. Could also be used for un-trained skills. \| BMBE ISK Loans \| Skills Showroom \| 885770 \|
Beamto	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:35:00 - [31] hm, i know i look now like a total noob, but where the hell i can find the needed xml data ?
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:58:00 - [32] Look to your left and click on My Character. Click on the portrait you want the XML for, then save the XML link on the skill's page. Now you can upload it to the Showroom. \| BMBE ISK Loans \| Skills Showroom \| 584173 \|
Lustknabes Frau Minmatar Dirty Rotten Imbeciles	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:35:00 - [33] Edited by: Lustknabes Frau on 10/11/2006 10:36:04 hm, dont work here
Beamto	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Ray McCormack Look to your left and click on My Character. Click on the portrait you want the XML for, then save the XML link on the skill's page. Now you can upload it to the Showroom. if i click My Charakter the page link my diretcly to myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp. i cant get to my skilltree or any char portrait.
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:41:00 - [35] try logging out of the website and logging back in again. The system's a bit screwy. Interesting times await...
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.11.12 12:25:00 - [36] Just a quick update, it's not likely to be released today, but you have my promise for monday night :) The new site will have more things, so that's why it's taking so long. Also i had to solve alot of performance problems calculating in "realtime" positions, who can fly what, etc. Here's what's finished, (i have done more then what's on the list that i'll reveal when it's released). - ingame display with settings done- ships & pilots pilot count done- add updated time to char info done- bloolines included in racial statistics done- show current skill training done- check that all skills are in database - check sorting issues done- allow a setting of a password ingame to be used in authentication in the out of game site done- with login allow person to list all the members of his corporation, not shown to everyone to make it harder to find all the members of a corp for security reasons. done- add extra security to upload and setting private, ability to set skill upload only if authenticated I have alot of previous experience with IGB (big-sales), and let me tell IGB SUCKS, it's way way more trouble then it's worth, the skills site has too much data to be rendered by the IGB, it ends up freezing your eve client while it parses the site, it it would require many may changes (basicly a new template for IGB). I dont think a IGB version will happen, sorry guys. Also i have been solving a few performance problems, especialy with ship pilots count, because all the data is calculated on page request. Calculating from the over 2000 pilots who can fly the almost 200 ships takes a while, too long for a web page, so that data will be cached and generated by a background process. More tomorrow :) My thanks to PingKiller for making the gray ship image. ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Zoltaris COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.12 15:28:00 - [37] I don't see any mention of it in your stuff done or to be done, so i'm wondering if you are going to add the amount of SP already trained for the skill in training to the total of SP of the char, to have a total of SP as accurate as possible for everyone... Since you are going to show the current skill in training, i guess finding the amount of SP already trained for that skill and adding them to the total of SP shouldn't be too hard, so, are you going to do it? I think it would be pretty nice if we could see the real total of SP of the char instead of the total of SP since the last change of skill training like we currently have with v2.0 ----- > Order Falcon & Pilgrim
Sara Dawn BIG	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Sara Dawn on 12/11/2006 17:25:48 Hi, yes it's there example: Laboratory Operation (22205 / 45255) training to level 4 but it will not update the amount of points trained as time goes by, because xmls most of the times dont have the implants and also because i cannot sync with the xml regularly, sorry. This can be disabled individualy by characters for security/paranoid people. ___________________________________ BIG member :: Skills Showroom
Zoltaris COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:44:00 - [39] Its alright As long as the total of SP has the number of SP already done by the skill currently being trained in it at the time of the player update, we will have an accurate SP count for that update ----- > Order Falcon & Pilgrim
Protunia Gallente Horadrim	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:46:00 - [40] I like this thread ;) nice site My Character Stats
Sara Dawn BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:43:00 - [41] v3.0 is LIVE :) http://ineve.net Please see my other post that will follow this one. All changes in v3.0 (hopefully i havent forgoten any) - ships & pilots pilot count - add updated time to char info - bloolines included in racial statistics - show current skill training - check that all skills are in database - allow a setting of a password ingame to be used in authentication in the out of game site - with login allow person to list all the members of his corporation, not shown to everyone to make it harder to find all the members of a corp for security reasons. - add extra security to upload and setting private, ability to set skill upload only if authenticated - allow only corp members to see detailed skills - allow hidding of current skill training - top skillpoints / skills ratio - top rank points - add profile - factions & pirate ships - ability to show the ships you cannot fly - added the orange color to skills - listing of corp members (only for authenticated people) ___________________________________ BIG member :: inEVE.net Skills Showroom
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:34:00 - [42] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 13/11/2006 23:41:33 The points/skill table is 'a little' screwed up 'cause Scorpyn only uploaded missile skills. Quite funny though. Also I notice on the 'personal stats' page, the site spouts nonsense on the first line. "131 (13100.00%) of a total Object id #3 available skills, 329 including skills not released." Interesting times await...
Sara Dawn BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Janus Ovellian Also I notice on the 'personal stats' page, the site spouts nonsense on the first line. "131 (13100.00%) of a total Object id #3 available skills, 329 including skills not released." Fixed ___________________________________ BIG member :: inEVE.net Skills Showroom
Lola C	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:36:00 - [44] This is a pretty cool site. Some very impressive skill totals here. Does anybody ever edit their xml files to look better than they really are? dr caymus's points are huge, but he's been around since the beginning of the game and seem s to train all int/mem stuff, so that might be possible if he has real high int and mem attributes. But the second guy kingslayer has huge points in science/industry and big gunnery/spaceship numbers and has only been around for two years. Just wondering if there is any control over edited data...
RaTTuS BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:30:00 - [45] Some have edited their skills before uplaoding, some are more obvious than others - there is nothing that can be done to combat this. others can say if kingslayer is a fake or not. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Saldun Zexu	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:56:00 - [46] found bug. in Faction Ships shows that I can fly on Vigilant but I don't have Minmatar Cruiser.

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