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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.30 05:35:08 -
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Years ago, I used to run L4 missions with a second character and the combination was autocannon Maelstrom with cruise missile Raven. Mael would blap everything under 30-40km with its truly monstrous DPS, and the Raven would snipe all the distant stuff with its unbelievable range.
Nowadays I'm using a different alt, and this one is entirely Gallente spec with good drone, hybrid, and armor skills. In the years since I was previously doing a lot of missions, they invented MJD and changed some ships around. So I'm looking for recommendations on a good mission-running combo:
Character (A) has near-perfect skills in Minmatar and Amarr ships of all sizes, shields, armors, drones, ewar, etc.
Character (B) is pure Gallente trained, with great armor tanking skills and decent drone and gunnery skills (will need some time for T2 heavy/sentry drones and hybrids).
I thought about cross-training them and doing two remote-rep Nestors just because it would be awesome. But I'm not doing missions in high-sec so I don't want to paint that big of a target on myself and get watch-listed by every enemy within ten jumps. T1 battleship hulls would probably be best at this point. Actually HACs or T3s would probably be best, but I hate them. So I'm looking for T1 battleship pairings.
What do you think? |
Sacu Shi
The Ammatar Auxillaries of Tidacha
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:18:50 -
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1x pure dps domi
1x pure RR other ship? (Im not familiar with many other ships for lvl 4 except CNR / domi)
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profit
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Or, I used to do lvl 4 with a low skilled alt using a Meta fit oracle, and assigning the drones from a domi. |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
36
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:38:50 -
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I can do all missions and epic arcs in domi. Recently i started to do missions with two domi. It's fantastic. NPC ships melted so quick.
Tbh, I'm planing to start to train 3rd domi pilot. Or rattle pilot then two domi can assist to rattle. I have 3 laptops. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
87
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:49:19 -
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Apoc+Domi
Mael+Domi
if iskies not an issue try fleet phoon+navy domi for greater dps ratio or navy geddon+navy domi |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
906
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:17:01 -
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If you go mega or hyperion I recommend 350 rails. They do better damage across the whole spectrum of npcs. You lose a bit of outright damage against BS, but track incoming cruisers and frigs better. So looking at the whole spectrum - 350s are the way to go on mission boats.
Hyperion has the rep bonus which is nice for missions, but then again the mega has the tracking bonus which pays big on cruisers and frigates. That's a toss up.
The sentry Domminix is the current mission monster. Since they came out w/ the modules that bonus drones - the sentry is the king. You get BS damage w/ cruiser tracking and BS range. 2 space potatoes would make any level 4 mission a lay up.
If you have any thoughts toward these characters getting into pvp I would recommend bypassing the dommi and using your training time buffing up your gunnery skills across the board. Though if your dream is to join a large null blob and be an F1 monkey, then the want that sentry shinanigans.
It's a level 4 mission, so don't get too hung up in being the best darn lvl4 runner in eve. You're aspiring to mediocrity and lvl4 mission masters are a dime a dozen (maybe a nickle). Use your lvl4 mission training and time to get a jump on your next phase of eve. Hopefully it's pvp and it's not F1 monkey blob crap. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:48:00 -
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Has anyone ever used a pairing where one ship was boosting the other with, say, remote tracking computers or something? |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
273
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:56:35 -
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Domi + Domi is an easy combo with sentry drone assist. Some of the WH guys write about using a 3 RR Domi setup to run sleeper sites or sneak into Null for DED 10's.
I've been running a Mach + Eos setup that is very mobile if you have command ships. |
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
3020
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:42:50 -
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Put both in their respective marauders and run 2 missions simultaneously. Sure it costs few bil of initial investment on proper fit but then you have L4 meat grinders that barely break sweat in most violent missions.
This Sunday I bought myself vargur and oh my god, L4s stopped being boring because they don't take frakking ages!
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1116
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:52:14 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Put both in their respective marauders and run 2 missions simultaneously. Sure it costs few bil of initial investment on proper fit but then you have L4 meat grinders that barely break sweat in most violent missions.
This Sunday I bought myself vargur and oh my god, L4s stopped being boring because they don't take frakking ages!
He's not doing these in high sec so either you don't use bastion (why are you flying a marauder then) or you risk 1 minute being pinned down in one place.
I would say domi is probably by far the most cost effective taking into account, price, speed and survivability. Other ship combos might be better in one aspect but none really trumps in all 3 areas.
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
3020
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:01:15 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:He's not doing these in high sec so either you don't use bastion (why are you flying a marauder then) or you risk 1 minute being pinned down in one place.
Oh I totally missed not hisec part, sorry.
OP, don't pay attention to my silliness, listen to others.
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:06:32 -
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What if I threw a monkey wrench into the thread and just said "new constraint: no Dominixes". Nothing against it, but it seems to be the easy default so let's get some other ideas going. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1117
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:10:21 -
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2x Typhoon Fleet issue |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
637
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:57:11 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:What if I threw a monkey wrench into the thread and just said "new constraint: no Dominixes". Nothing against it, but it seems to be the easy default so let's get some other ideas going.
2x Rattlesnakes.
I used a Rattlesnake and a VNI for a while--the VNI would orbit the RS for speedtanking and take out the smaller things with its faster lock time while the Rattlesnake would take out the larger things. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
117
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:25:33 -
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OK, but remember one character is Amarr/Minmatar and the other is Gallente. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1117
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:49:02 -
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mega+apoc |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.30 21:02:00 -
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Rail Mega + Pulse Apoc or Blaster Mega + Beam Apoc or what? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
88
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Posted - 2015.03.30 22:10:12 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:Rail Mega + Pulse Apoc or Blaster Mega + Beam Apoc or what?
Second one |
Alexstrazaas
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.30 22:43:01 -
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Blaster Rokh and Sniper Rokh
all the ROKHS you need! |
Oxide Ammar
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Posted - 2015.03.31 09:31:55 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Domi + Domi is an easy combo with sentry drone assist. Some of the WH guys write about using a 3 RR Domi setup to run sleeper sites or sneak into Null for DED 10's.
I've been running a Mach + Eos setup that is very mobile if you have command ships.
Dual RR sentry domi can melt any lvl 4 mission, you even don't have to care about triggers. Priority targets are like this Jamming BS > frigs > normal BS.
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:09:38 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:Has anyone ever used a pairing where one ship was boosting the other with, say, remote tracking computers or something?
I use remote sb from another domi when i face heavy jammers/dampeners |
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GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:57:25 -
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domi with a geddon.. pvp ready is the way to go.. with some rr,
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Hiyora Akachi
Advanced Hole Theory
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:16:20 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:Rail Mega + Pulse Apoc or Blaster Mega + Beam Apoc or what?
I'd use a Blaster Mega + Pulse Apoc personally
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2015.04.02 11:02:26 -
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Spider Tanking Domi's
Spider Tanking Nestors (kind of overkill if you ask me, but feels pretty epic )
2 Rattlesnakes
these are what i would use... |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
260
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:18:42 -
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Why not just solo? |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:45:12 -
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There have been a million forum threads on "what's the best mission ship". What would I gain from posting another one? I'm genuinely interested in theorycrafting about 2-ship combos. If you have a 3-ship combo idea, I'm all ears. |
atomic killer
Yaro Corporation
5
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Posted - 2015.04.04 20:04:17 -
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I was using Machariel + Rattlesnake. Machariel as a main ship + drones from Rattle assigned to Machariel. Works amazing., does up to 2000+ DPS. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
95
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:02:58 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:There have been a million forum threads on "what's the best mission ship". What would I gain from posting another one? I'm genuinely interested in theorycrafting about 2-ship combos. If you have a 3-ship combo idea, I'm all ears.
Tactical Destroyer + Strategic Cruiser + Noctis - Success! |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
134
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:21:06 -
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Who needs a T3 cruiser any more? I have pals who run L4s solo in Confessors.
Noctis I do see as useful, especially when you're running missions where the main value is in tags. |
Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation
Care Factor
85
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:44:19 -
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I'll help you out, and even give fittings!
[Armageddon, Sansha Partner ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
[empty low slot]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
F-23 Reciprocal Remote Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script
[empty med slot]
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Curator II x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
[Dominix, Sansha Partner ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
[empty med slot]
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
[empty high slot]
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Curator II x5
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
As far as empty mediums and highs, you can fill to your liking. Put some Nos/Neut in the Geddon highs for the occasional PvP action (or neut the ceptor and GTFO!) Empty medium could be more cap if you run low, or some E-War or ECM/ECCM, depending on missions maybe a 100MN AB.
Empty Rigs have been filled with more Egress Ports or Remote Armor Repair Augmentors.
Drones are to taste, this setup has 660 dps for the domi and 660 for the geddon, not too shabby I'd say (considering its Curators and not Gardes).
Lastly these are set up for Sansha Null Anoms, so you'll change hardeners to taste. Basically cheap for the effect and might scare away the few that might fight you, but not the ones that will drop/blap you :)
Strategy: warp both in, lock each other, turn on remote cap/armor mods, deploy drones and assign to the "main." I put a Civilian weapon on my main character to point the assisted drones in the right direction.
Hope it helps!
Cedric
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Boudacca Sangrere
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
55
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Posted - 2015.04.05 21:19:50 -
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2 Rattlers would get my vote as well. Amazing Tank (even passive if you want), close to 3000dps, and due to drones pretty easy to dual box. Oh and if passive tank is not your thing, they can be spidertanked also.
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