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Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:47:00 - [1] Chowdown i tried to talk to you to find out what this was about but your too small a man to talk to someone directly instea du listen to rumors. So im gonna let u know right now what our intentions are Depsite the fact taht you failed to provide any support to KOS after the countless of times our fleet came to save your eggs and fight your battles. This action of declaring a war on an ally who is trying to regroup shows the rest of the communty what your truely about. Your just now realising your losing the war and now u are looking to blame other and call us traitors... lol we faught for you and with you for HOW MANY MONTHS ? then when we got 4 large grups coming our way you turn and run ? war dec us ? lol KOS accepted a NAP with RA to move its stuff out of wicked because if were not gonan get support from you and -V- you tell us exactly why it is we should burn ? you want to burn a bridge with an ally that has done nuthing but kiss your butt faught with you on many fronts. so stop being a chowder head chowdown u really need to rethink what it is your doin right here.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:00:00 - [2] leave it to your best friends to believe a disgruntled corporation who is leaving our alliance.... we in no way no way whatsoever said we were goin to set LV or v to negative. We were all a bit upset because we asked for support to keep out the 4 large groups coming into q-gq. we were gona lose that station and then f-e we had no means by ourselves with that size of a force to hold onto it. in our relationship KOS provided logistical pos power while lv provided dreads to help in removing the towers. it was a good relationship. and still would have been because i remember at that meeting it was said we were planning on returning to help again after we have regrouped in empire. KOS fleets have sent out thousands of ships to help LV defend its space. for the life of me i cant think of a time when KOS ever got any support from this coaltion. we did ask for your help and u all were well aware of RAGOON advancement into WC. we share a channel in shockwave ... the general consensus is why help kos let em burn were always helping em. if they cant hold their space why help em.... The arrogance is asstounding .... Lets See just how well u hold up now with the KOS buffer out of the way. cause RA IMP and Goon is heading your way. and your running out of friends. And when i tried to clear this up and have a convo with you chowdown... u closed channel and left and then blocked me.... Thus why u got the nic Chowder head. You wanna blame this on demo ... saying he didnt ask for support ... that he lied to us and you when he said he had informed you we were taking a NAP to pull back... you guys got the fact way wrong on all fronts of this but I Dont mind tho.... its gonna be an interesting few months ahead.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:30:00 - [3] corn i like you man always have .... but man things didnt go down that way.... ur assuming too much ... but i am not disagreeing with you that KOS failed to pos up q-gq properly im not saying that at all... Im saying when we realised it was compromised there was nuthing we could do. RA had put in hundreds of pilots in that system ready to log on at any moment. KOS failed and we in the senate know this. IS that any reason to abandon an ally in the face of a threat? U cant tell me LV and V didnt know about Ra and Goon Invading. As for asking for help officially Demogod takes care of that. You know me corn.... you know ive always got out there and faught no matter what the cost. The nap with goon ra was not a nap to go to war against LV and V ever... it was becuase in two days they will remove the station from our hands and begin work on F-e We decided to fall back to empire to figure out what our next step was goin to be. Never was it meant to leave the coaltion.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:56:00 - [4] sakana youll be missed, as far as flying tygers go... Your CEO 15 min after our meeting in the senate to discuss our options and decide our future... which im am QUITE CERTAIN had nuthing to do with becoming "Allies" with RED alliance. It was a tactical decision to get our valuables out of the firing line. Your CEO and whoever your senator is misunderstodd this and then in turn went to LV and V and started running his mouth about something he aparently wasnt paying attention to in the senate meeting in the first place. We asked of all the corps leaders to keep this qiet until Demogod was able to explain fully was was taking place. Ive seen alot of mud tossing here... KOS didnt have any other options... Look at how LV states several times " oh yet again we had to come and save KOS" Exscuse us but it was you (LV)who forced us to leave Omist and put us in W.C. and we stayed and fought and defended it every night from raids with Snigg to Raids from Dusk til dawn and RA and IMP. You guys sit back and whine that u gotta help us out Excuse us for being the #1 target's 100% of the time. You formed this coalition and turned your back on us several times when we came to you for support. giving us nuthing but lame excuses as to why they cant mobilize their dreads. KOS gave their support to this Coalition til the very last. We had no intentions on bailing out of it we were "REGROUPING" I can remember being promised by LV after we took a large hit to our fleet that if we helped them in an op to take down some RA pos to wipe out some dreads they would replace our ships if lost. After the battle.... NOT ONE ship was ever replaced. the months following our leadership sent us into the meatgrinder for your cause to defend EGGS to hold off enemy incursions everything u can think of... the arrogance that LV handed us WC without KOS's help in securing it or the efforts of our pvp pilots is quite hilarious. drop the leetest attitudes. I admit with the way things have been running lately in KOS have lead to the downfall of kos but DEMO in fact ordered q-gq 6 weeks ago to POS up all of the station systems. the corporations in KOS were the ones who failed to get those towers up. They knew full well what was coming we told them. they didnt take down their pos's in non station systems due to GREED. Demo sat back and let em burn because the senate wanted demo to stand down as leader and allow the senate to control things. Our cabinet was disbanded and all of a sudden nuthing is getting done anymore. the Senate chopped off the head of Animal that is KOS. We decided in the senate meeting to Fall back and regroup and why on earth would we want to regroup in LV space that is about to get pounded even further by RED's Coalition. We took the NAP to remove our valuables and re-establish order within KOS regroup and if relations were smoothed over with LV and V about the lack of fleet support we were gonna come back and be refreshed and strong again and help with the war. As for not telling your alliance's V and LV we in the senate meeting were under the impression demo was in talks with you about it and we were assured you were informed about it and would be again after the meeting. Thus why we chose that path. Not once despite some growing utterances and feelings of being abandoned by our big brothers did we ever say we were goin to put LV to negative 10. as far as i remember and being the one who hosted that meeting it was said that there was a possibility that Chimp and KOS were to merge. As far as helping Smash.... its been known Smash is an ally to KOS we let u know that before we got in this with you. Unlike LV Smash has fielded Dreads to help KOS when we were younger in Omist they didnt come down and say hey we will help you remove SE but we will take control of your stations. Its always been LV's way or the highway. well the highway we ran into wasnt paved any longer.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:31:00 - [5] So its true u were informed before the meeting like demo said.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:06:00 - [6] sakana i never accused you of this. I was told and still believe that it was Zilla of Flying tygers. I never accused u ... i just said i would miss you as you were a great gamer in kos and u had my respect.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:20:00 - [7] Peace
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 15:37:40 the whole point is KOS took the option to save its own ass instead of being the cannon fodder and meatshield for LV. I ask anyone in EVE if they would stand in front of a Freight Train to buffer an alliance that is supposedly so much more superior than us in pvp. hell i dont know why they are so upset. without KOS in the way to screw up all the time such as we do... they will have plenty of RAGOON's to kill. Instead they war dec us. lol
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:06:00 - [9] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:10:35 Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 24/10/2006 16:09:25 agreed brother... and nebba speaks... wasnt you the smart one who decided to engage an enemy a few weeks ago in an entirely lagged out system getting on the KOS ts and YELLING like were dogs to jump into the fight for you. .... yea i think it was.... smart call that was brainchild. that fight killed the server too if i remember correctly.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:32:00 - [10] np shadoo i knew they had u under the gun... it was still a dumb move. and who was that fleet that stayed back two jumps behind us when we charged in to help Save -V- and Keww ... what corp was u with ? u say the leadership failed when it was the leadership that was screaming to get the towers up 6 weeks ago. it was the corporations in KOS who failed on that not the leadership. they didnt want to take down their towers to anchor up q-gq. Demo Demanded they do so the senate agreed to do so... why didnt it happen? cause the corps didnt make it happen. and the smalls were in place only until the corporations in KOS put up the large towers ( which never happened ) I agree this is the 3rd time now that this has happened. Never again will this happen. Doesnt matter KOS lost the will to fight for LV / V Tired of getting wiped out everytime we engaged the enemy in Massive conflicts. If looking out for the interests of KOS by accepting a cease fire NAP with RA GOON to leave the area and save our remaining Assets is wrong then .. Im guilty. lol its not like if i was robbed at gunpoint in a bank would i stand there and say ... oh no u cant have my watch... BANG YOUR DEAD SUCKA ! and die over it.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:13:00 - [11] With all due respect keww... wait... thats right ... i have none for ya. you are one of those who rabble rabble and i didnt see u stepping up to fill in the void. I did see alot of flying tygers tho in S0- hunting rats when we would get CTA's called tho.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Bonaduce Was there any doubt that kos would suffer from the losing end of this lil coalition with people like Plaz in the senority slots of the alliance? lol
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Frodo KOS leadership= "Oh Noes lets NAP RA They will kill us so bad we must leave" Reality= LV will pwn you worse than RA ever did or could. Life is a B***** then you die! Holler @ Ya boy!!!! shave your feet!
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:48:00 - [14] malev who shot you and why ?
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Emmerlaine KOS is not "just" getting their stuff out and never were. KOS is camping gates in combined forces with RA and shooting at both LV and -V-. I have seen it with my own eyes. Yea I did too.... Self defence ...nubbin
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 25/10/2006 12:53:19 Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't go so far as to say the willing and capable members of KOS deserve it, but the leadership definitely does. I told everyone in KOS something akin to this would happen, but demogod had his eyes set on controlling 8 stations, or so he said, and ***** with the refinery tax and factory tax each and every day like he used to do. I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a * - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. demogod moved the alliance to Wicked Creek so that he would have more stations to control, back in Omist this guy had billions, he funded the entire KOS-vs-SE war and as I recall, you would see him on the battlefield with usually two, not just one battleship - I'd be surprised if you see him fighting at all now. He's probably broke by now. demogod wanted to control Wicked Creek and be able to say everything's under control, you know? and when the going got tough, they wanted to fight it out themselves, but now they're saying they were screwed, and never recieved any help - a claim I find hard to believe. demogod and lackeys will be the first to blame the member corporations for the fall of KOS, but in reality, it's the leadership that takes on the corporations, and if a corp turns out to be sour and dead weight, that's the fault of the leadership. Plazmalord will tell you all day long that LV pushed KOS out of Omist, when in reality there were some serious tensions that instead of demogod working out with LV, demo decided he'd rather drop the station and move to Wicked Creek for more power. Funny, how things go, isn't it? All out war for eight months is a ***, and it breaks members. Note To He Moderators!!!!! Please Remove This post or This portion of the post as it has no bearing on the game or this topic and violates a gamers private life. It is not appropriate.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:37:00 - [17] Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:15:00 - [18] <s> DAB - love to see old homeworld mates on here. btw Theram: Nebba wasnt the one that posted the quote u responded to :) It was a KOS member.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:51:00 - [19] Originally by: c0rn1 oh no! taining corp is poor. they can't afford the placement of 23 towers in Q-GQ to at least give the coalition a time of REACTION. I always wonder how SERA can fuel and put up 12 large and 19 small by themselves in 2 systems. build an outpost for 20+ billion. Keeping it covered and still got the time to be nr.1 on -V- kills with 15 active members all in all. Ask Demo before you blame -V- & LV they couldn't instantly support you 4 am in the morning which definately is NOT the prime time for -V- and LV. Would demo have spent 7b to just put the towers up in Q-GQ with proper stron time set all wouldn't have been a problem. But like I said before, we decided to not get the system back ONCE again and throw Capital ships at RA POSs in the current state of the server. We had the agenda and we agreed to it. N7 was a sign for KOS to fortify their stronghold but noone stepped up and did the job. No, KOS doesn't even go to their partners and talk to them about further plans or if we could lock down the systems so they could get their stuff out. No, you rather like cuddling with our common foe and lie to your partners and then wonder why the sign goes out with a war declaration towards you. And everyone, especially demogod and Plazmalord Soban know my name. I didn't see any conversation in eve or on ts nor did I have a mail in my evemailbox how bad the situation is. Demogod even has my msn to contact me. NADA. So if they don't care, why should we? Regards c0rn1 Corn1 didnt you leave kos cause you was burned out? Cause your rant right there with no basis on facts kinda makes me think your flippin out again. As far as not recieving any word from me. In June i had to stop gaming for about 2 months. When i get back some brainchild in KOS decided to remove the cabinet. I had to also consolidate my corp along with 3 other corps to form what u see now. 3 weeks after this my modem craps out and im stuck to being on the forum at work. I was not acting as a cabinet member a senator nor was i assuming my role as vice president. " ive been a little busy" The Senate assumed control of KOS. which i argued was wrong and gonna lead to the failure of KOS. Ask Corvino about the ass chewing i gave him for this move... To blame me in anyway for the failure of this is wrong. EVERY tower i owned that wasnt destroyed in the first wave of the n7- invasion was Stationed in 4-E where MY office was. I help up my end with all i had. Dude get a clue before u start barking and assuming shyt. Since ive got back Ive rarely seen LV and V. Unless ofcourse we are called into a CTA for then cause Nebba feels like thinning our ranks by asking us to jump into a lagged out server with no hope on the other side of being able to target a single person. And with that... i seem to remember when u were DM in KOS screaming "where the hell are LV's dreads" u ranted that like every night on ts when demo got on... Demo klept saying they are coming.... Did they ever come? NO! Use your head man. Im finding it diffucult to remain calm and respect you when u keep making the insane claims which u clearly no nuthing about.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:55:00 - [20] Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Plazmalord Soban Originally by: swordslasher I wouldn't shed a tear if I found out the guy got hit by a bus IRL, your ingame attitude towards your peers is a reflection of your true personality, and demo is one hell of a ***** - then again, he's also an american republican who owns a demolition company that has at times had some fancy contracts with the US Government. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. ATTENTION MODERATORS: THE ABOVE STATEMENT HAS NUTHING TO DO WITH EVE-ONLINE AND GIVES OUT PERSONAL DETAILS OF A GAMERS LIFE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE GAME. PLEASE EDIT AND REMOVE IT. Thank you Plazmalord Soban Question: When you make that information public to everyone in your alliance with complete disregard for your own self respect, how can you suddenly claim that it's personal and no one has the right to repeat it? It's not as if I'm his freaking friend, or even know him personally, but he's publically told a whole slew of people this fact, including most of them in KOS. If you didn't know, consider yourself informed, but I don't think I'm 'revealing' anything anymore personal than what he already has. and it is relevant to the topic of discussion if we're going to discuss ones character, one's habits in life, and the sterotypes associated with them, would have a large bearing and do well to explain one's personality in the game and how they treat others. Cliff Notes: demogod is an ass, in and out of eve, so it doesn't suprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. that said from a tree hugging democrat... if you were demos friend in anyway pal... u wouldnt have tried to over generalise who he is based on who he votes for or what he does for work. people like u try to put HUMAN beings into nice neat little catagories... get real man.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:50:00 - [21] lol you fail to mention there was a significant amount of KOS in that fight. helped us yes we all did it together. Good times. But in no way ever has KOS been a burden to you. With the number of KOS fighting your front lines for you in aiding you. kos lv and v were strong together. Kos realised we were alone and thats the gist of it. After Dying and sitting at gate camps for 5 days or more for LV and V werhave grown tired. We ask ourselves why bother.. why should we be the morons standing in the way of RA's. everyone has got this myth kos is the weaker link thus why Everyone in the game comes down to get some kills. its no wonder we die when the enitre universe is bucking to kill us. while u sit back and ignore reports in shockwave that a 40 man plus ra fleet and 100 plus goon is over in KOS space.... why bother goin there when ur goin to die and not look spiffy on your kill boards. why bother if u cant outnumber your foe 5 to 1... LV gave us wicked lol. ur killin us with that line. Saved the weak KOS pilots... who have been fighting since we have formed. A Constant war one of which wasnt even our fight. LV wanted us to fight RA KOS didnt mind cause we believed a long while back they were helping SE. thats how we got in this crap. Were tired of it. were not your slaves. Were goin elsewhere leaving the Uber Leetest BS behind. If followed we will continue to fight and U can be sure we wont back off of that one. Find another meatshield. I believe i saw a few up an coming alliances who are willing to stand in the line of fire for you. Send em in there. See how they do.
Plazmalord Soban Amarr Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:43:00 - [22] Edited by: Plazmalord Soban on 26/10/2006 19:43:45 lost 3 corps... one of which spread the misinformation about kos's intentions of setting allies to negative after a retreat...

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