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Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 733	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:25:44 - [1] - Quote This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will. Sincirely, Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation Ella's Snack bar
Mag's the united 19210	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:40:45 - [2] - Quote Humour. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1210	Posted - 2015.04.01 08:30:20 - [3] - Quote Better back off before he reports your harassing behavior. D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
Alana Charen-Teng Sword of the Saviour 315th Circuit Court 548	Posted - 2015.04.01 09:56:40 - [4] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will. Sincirely, Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation Giving you antigankers a taste of your own medicine.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 733	Posted - 2015.04.01 10:14:58 - [5] - Quote Alana Charen-Teng wrote: Dracvlad wrote: This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will. Sincirely, Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation Giving you antigankers a taste of your own medicine. Well that statement is rather incorrect, while you may have people who have been ganked do a petition, the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. But if it makes you feel better stick to that line, for our part we all found that mail hilarious, even if there was only the remotest chance it was legit... Ella's Snack bar
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23387	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:30:56 - [6] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1219	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:53:17 - [7] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: ....loot scooping. .... Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 733	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:04:19 - [8] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax Ella's Snack bar
Gemina Gidrine The Safety Fire 3	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:14:01 - [9] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax So it's not an exploit then, just a use of existing game mechanics. Your condescending tone does not hide the fact that you are indeed talking out of your arse. Jonah calmly pointed this out to you, maybe you should say thank you.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 733	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:20:25 - [10] - Quote Gemina Gidrine wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax So it's not an exploit then, just a use of existing game mechanics. Your condescending tone does not hide the fact that you are indeed talking out of your arse. Jonah calmly pointed this out to you, maybe you should say thank you. Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars! Ella's Snack bar

Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1211	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:35:54 - [11] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars! Please, tell me the story of your people. I'm all ears. Saying A and not saying B could be considered teasing Say it ain't so Of course you have a perfectly reasonable complaint. Following gankers around might not be harassment to the letter. Following anyone around is creepy, however. Stop it. D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 733	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:56:48 - [12] - Quote Danalee wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars! Please, tell me the story of your people. I'm all ears. Saying A and not saying B could be considered teasing Say it ain't so Of course you have a perfectly reasonable complaint. Following gankers around might not be harassment to the letter. Following anyone around is creepy, however. Stop it. D. Well the person concerned was following a bumper around to stop them from hyperdunking, perfectly acceptable, however I think he was being ironic, but still pretty funny. The CODE pilot was saying something incorrect about those fine AG people so I just corrected her. Ella's Snack bar
Cannibal Kane Cannibal Empire 4852	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:22:23 - [13] - Quote So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system interfering with his game play. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 734	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:52:19 - [14] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play. Never really thought about it that way around though. Actually that's rather amusing, he is having a dig at CCP then. However isn't he acting very much like the carebears he despises so much? Then someone can make the same point about someone in null space following someone running sites for example, the mind boggles. Ella's Snack bar
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1058	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:07:46 - [15] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play. Never really thought about it that way around though. Actually that's rather amusing, he is having a dig at CCP then. However isn't he acting very much like the carebears he despises so much? I suppose if we ignore certain common sense differences then someone can make the same point about someone in null space following someone running sites for example, the mind boggles. More accurately he's simply following the same harassment rules that CCP holds for the miners. That doesn't make him acting like a carebear, it means that he simply expects CCP to extend the same rules to include other aspects of the game other than only to ganking miners. He's being very reasonable. He also was kind enough to warn the offending players of their petition-able actions prior to filling an official petition. As null sec I do believe the rules would be not as well defined as if they are running missions in your space, then you are defending your space from invaders, regardless of where they go. If you are in their space, then you are hunting and disrupting hostile players, regardless of where they happen to go. Those are both very reasonable things to expect from a null sec PVP pilot and would not be petition-able.
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 7	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:26:10 - [16] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play. Never really thought about it that way around though. Where does this protection begin and end, though? What if the 'ganker' is being paid to kill that person for the gain or benefit of another(disruption of opposition income, loss of opposition's time, etc)? What if the person being followed is merely feeling the repercussions of prior interactions with another player? Seems like a slippery slope to let anyone call down CCP this easy, even conditionally.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 734	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:26:41 - [17] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: More accurately he's simply following the same harassment rules that CCP holds for the miners. That doesn't make him acting like a carebear, it means that he simply expects CCP to extend the same rules to include other aspects of the game other than only to ganking miners. He's being very reasonable. He also was kind enough to warn the offending players of their petition-able actions prior to filling an official petition. As null sec I do believe the rules would be not as well defined as if they are running missions in your space, then you are defending your space from invaders, regardless of where they go. If you are in their space, then you are hunting and disrupting hostile players, regardless of where they happen to go. Those are both very reasonable things to expect from a null sec PVP pilot and would not be petition-able. Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player following a PvP player with the intent to prevent him from getting a kill as part of his own play style of attempting to keep the supply lines to Jita clear while the other is seeking to destroy those supply lines. If he tried to petition that I would expect the GM to have a coughing fit while muttering HTFU..., Ella's Snack bar
admiral root Red Galaxy 2597	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:08:13 - [18] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player But they are a PvP player. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 734	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:23:55 - [19] - Quote admiral root wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player But they are a PvP player. Well one of his corp mates petitioned the GM's on his behalf and was told that they make that distinction, so the OP and you are both wrong. I hope the player concerned just leaves it at that and does not petition against a threat of using the petition system to influence his game play, I would just laugh it off and I hope he does too, its a game after all. Ella's Snack bar
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 520	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:01:37 - [20] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will. Sincirely, Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation Reading this I was all like, lol-awww-lol-ffs-WAT!?! I hope this is fan fiction... Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 568	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:21:11 - [21] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play. Never really thought about it that way around though. Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1481	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:26:42 - [22] - Quote o.O Back slowly away from the chicken Veers. I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23399	Posted - 2015.04.02 07:59:39 - [23] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. Coming from you, this is absolutely hilarious Quote: By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. You mean criminal acts like mining without a permit? Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 544	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:04:48 - [24] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him. I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play. Never really thought about it that way around though. Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. Bumping isn't a criminal activity. The harassment is a special snowflake rule for miners. There aren't any rules like this when it comes to following haulers, wardec targets, space celebrities and the list goes on. Just imagine James 315 rolling around in space in this day and age. Half of highsec would be tagging along system to system. Some for the photo-op, others for the pod. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2685	Posted - 2015.04.02 15:22:05 - [25] - Quote I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly.
Joan Miles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2015.04.02 16:48:55 - [26] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly. +1 And please keep the chat logs or mails if you do. They will be priceless!
SanZo Fengi Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club 3	Posted - 2015.04.02 19:56:55 - [27] - Quote C&P still seems to be the cesspool of the forums... Keep it up!
Paranoid Loyd 4485	Posted - 2015.04.02 21:05:34 - [28] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: o.O Back slowly away from the chicken Veers. The blood and feathers are gone, it's just barbules and platelets now. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Noragen Neirfallas Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 88	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:10:17 - [29] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? Very entertaining Much content So Eve Such Blogging http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
Vector Symian 0 Fear 608	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:21:00 - [30] - Quote Another symptom of a tip for tap system...it is escalating constantly

Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 570	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:22:52 - [31] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game. Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1213	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:33:27 - [32] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game. Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence. HAH! CCP wrote: CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking. D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 570	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:35:01 - [33] - Quote Danalee wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game. Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence. HAH! CCP wrote: CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking. D. Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment. Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game.
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1214	Posted - 2015.04.03 06:05:56 - [34] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment. Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game. Look, I'll give it another go, slow day at work; You claim that if an action is inherently interactive with others, the player doing said action has no ability to complain of harassment. Correct? Please: yes or no answer. If no: Please refrase your statement. If yes: Unless the miner finishes every mining action with a jettison and destruction of what he mined he is in fact inherently interactive with others. He decreases available ores, he changes market prices for everyone (albeit by small amounts but so does the ganker/bumper) he probably also sticks his T1 drones on rats again causing inflation/deflation depending on the situation. So you actually say that miners shouln't whine as much and CCP should change their stance on what is harassment. At least we agree on something. D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 735	Posted - 2015.04.03 08:01:34 - [35] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. Ella's Snack bar
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 903	Posted - 2015.04.03 18:28:37 - [36] - Quote Ahahahahahaaa.. this is gold 1. Carebears complain about people following them around in the game and cry for help from CCP 2. CCP create a rule that following others around is considered harassment to calm down the carebears 3. Carebares start crying because it may now be consideret harassment when following people around Did I miss something? Ganking and bumping are considered normal gameplay, just like "anti-ganking". So feel free to continue harassing other players if you feel this rule does not apply to you because you think you are a special space sheriff. But don't come back crying if the ban hammer hits you in the face. the Code ALWAYS wins
Froggy Storm Paragon Trust The Bastion 353	Posted - 2015.04.03 18:48:27 - [37] - Quote Im clearly confused. At no point in this was a miner sited by the OP and mail writer. It was an AG player right? A player activly engaged in direct oposition to another player. Taking actions across (presumably) a number of systems to stop another player from having any game play. So if a player following another in an effort to disrupt their game play may be harassment, then why is a person bumping a barge or freighter any different than when AG tries to do the same? If it is good for the goose it should be good for the gander as the saying goes.
Mag's the united 19236	Posted - 2015.04.03 21:29:00 - [38] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. It was your use of the term exploit, that was frowned upon. And yes, I am fully aware of the dictionary usage of that word, but you know full well it's usage in regards to Eve. Which is why you used it. At least have something original to troll over. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23440	Posted - 2015.04.04 00:33:12 - [39] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, How wrong you are, ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite. Get your facts right instead of spouting ignorant crap. Quote: mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, It's not an exploit, and CCP can change it at any time if they feel like it . Quote: so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters. BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 532	Posted - 2015.04.04 02:14:07 - [40] - Quote One time in Uedama we were transferring billions in material from a wreck to a fleet hangar using shuttles and noob ships. Every shuttle, noob ship, and not a few pods were systematically destroyed in what must have looked like a massacre to the triumphant white knights. Local chat was flooded with 0 isk and CONCORD killmails. Fleet morale plummeted. In the end we had to admit total defeat on comms. We had lost about 50,000 isk worth of shuttles and free noob ships and only gained several billion in material that we used to buy more ganking gear. It was a dark day, let's not talk about loot scooping bitte Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 741	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:31:37 - [41] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: ]Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, How wrong you are. Ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite. Quote: mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, It's not an exploit and CCP can change it at any time if they feel like it . Quote: so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters. BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them. Objective achieved by that post, umad sis? Ella's Snack bar
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 741	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:35:08 - [42] - Quote John E Normus wrote: One time in Uedama we were transferring billions in material from a wreck to a fleet hangar using shuttles and noob ships. Every shuttle, noob ship, and not a few pods were systematically destroyed in what must have looked like a massacre to the triumphant white knights. Local chat was flooded with 0 isk and CONCORD killmails. Fleet morale plummeted. In the end we had to admit total defeat on comms. We had lost about 50,000 isk worth of shuttles and free noob ships and only gained several billion in material that we used to buy more ganking gear. It was a dark day, let's not talk about loot scooping bitte Nice story, wonderfully told, but who are the white knights, don't know them? Ella's Snack bar
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6534	Posted - 2015.04.04 18:36:20 - [43] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will. Sincirely, Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation People who can't handle emergent play might consider playing something else, a single player game perhaps. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 185	Posted - 2015.04.04 19:47:44 - [44] - Quote Reading through this thread was fun. ^_^ "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote. "AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
Vector Symian 0 Fear 643	Posted - 2015.04.04 23:32:10 - [45] - Quote hmmm instant popularity....let veers speak... devilishly clever OP
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1229	Posted - 2015.04.05 09:14:40 - [46] - Quote Vector Symian wrote: hmmm instant popularity....let veers speak... devilishly clever OP Sorry to use Godwin's on you but Adolf ****** wasn't known for being a popular dude... D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 931	Posted - 2015.04.11 13:26:34 - [47] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Reading through this thread was fun. ^_^ So true. Remove insurance.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1562	Posted - 2015.04.12 00:15:38 - [48] - Quote This thread got bumped? April Fool's day was so 10 days ago. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2015.04.12 03:22:34 - [49] - Quote Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means.
Noragen Neirfallas Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 185	Posted - 2015.04.12 03:32:49 - [50] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way... Very entertaining Much content So Eve Such Blogging http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/

Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2015.04.12 04:38:13 - [51] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Drez Arthie wrote: Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way... No, I am saying that a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it.
Vector Symian 0 Fear 739	Posted - 2015.04.12 04:40:38 - [52] - Quote Danalee wrote: Vector Symian wrote: hmmm instant popularity....let veers speak... devilishly clever OP Sorry to use Godwin's on you but Adolf ****** wasn't known for being a popular dude... D. To be destroyed by the flavouring of words.. interesting... Propaganda stand in the way of all possible actions...I cannot have that
Noragen Neirfallas Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 186	Posted - 2015.04.12 04:44:15 - [53] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Drez Arthie wrote: Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way... No, I am saying that a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it. you are mistaken on my intentions sir. I require many other people to play the game differently to me otherwise I would have nobody to pray upon. so currently eve seems to meet your criteria of 'a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it' So what is your complaint I've misunderstood it seems Very entertaining Much content So Eve Such Blogging http://eve12monthchallenge.blogspot.com.au/
Rawmeat Mary Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 8	Posted - 2015.04.12 06:56:37 - [54] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Bumping isn't a criminal activity. It is if the Bumping Permit have not been duly paid for. 'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.' Yeah, we're like that.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1562	Posted - 2015.04.12 13:52:59 - [55] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. "Overlapping Playstyles" isn't a thing in your brain, is it? Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1097	Posted - 2015.04.12 19:05:17 - [56] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite.]I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters. BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them. Of course we have to ask C&P regulars about how you play the game, because the character you post on and the corp he is in has no kills and no losses, you could be a carebear for all I know. So who do you believe, someone who posts on an alt (YOU) or someone who posts on their main (ME!) Cry more please, the only thing you have left is to be a grammar n a z i , pathetic... Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahajajajajajajajajaahahahahahahahahahahaha! Jonah an alt! Jonah a ganker! Ajaahahahahahahahahahahaha! Keep typing this is golden. You should really read up more on people before you toss accusations around. You're just demonstrating your ignorance of the people you are talking about.


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