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Suur Ala
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:05:26 -
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Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD! |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:45:07 -
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Suur Ala wrote:Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!
Let's do some calculation.
According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day.
Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right?
Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year.
Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic)
So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.02 07:02:34 -
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As I have a minimal position in this commodity, I can say that there is strong support in the 110-120 mln ISK area for ready hulls.
The Yacht is useful for carrying BPOs, boosters and other low volume high-value miscellanea - a rather specialised use, unlike the Gnosis battleship, which we can look at as an example. Gnosis, however, was discounted further by 5-run BPCs from the Collector's Edition, and seems to have settled where current Combat BCs are - 60-70 mln ISK range.
Can't that the Yacht won't dip into below 100 mln ISK territory, but considering the innate ship bonuses to cloaking, bubble immunity and generally very good battlecruiser-like EHP, along with very fast warp speed - the event of that happening is unlikely. 
Personally, I have flown it through null and the only downsides is that the cloaking reactivation delay is 30 seconds, which can be mitigated by turning off cloak mid-warp, in order to make it available after the jump into the next system. However, even if you jump immediately after disabling cloak, there is enough time for it to become available thanks to the system jump cloak. Three Warp Speed rigs bring it to around 10.6 AU/sec, which also magnifies the mentioned annoyance.
Also, A T2/T3 destroyer with a sensor booster can catch you before you cloak, if you're unlucky, so I recommend fitting 2 (two) Warp Core Stabs to minimise the chance of that happening. 
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Ruvin
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Posted - 2015.04.02 08:12:46 -
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bubble imunity ? ITs nullified ?
And its EHP wasnt battlecruiser like afaik , but more in line with cruisers if im not mistaken .
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.02 08:20:46 -
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It's 4k hp across each tier of protection - that's Hurricane BC level. And yes, it is nullified - buy, buy, buy.  |
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
44
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:23:43 -
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Ruvin wrote:bubble imunity ? ITs nullified ?
And its EHP wasnt battlecruiser like afaik , but more in line with cruisers if im not mistaken .
It has identical resists to a Thorax, but double the hull, armor and shield. However, only 1 mid slot. |
Derp Durrr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.03 01:57:50 -
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Dont forget the following:
- Not everyone will end up building it (dont underestimate the power of the derp)
- players come and go, but only players who were around to claim this BPC will actually have a chance at this ship. 6 months from now, quite a lot of people who were around right now might not be here anymore, some of which holding these BPC's/ships in their holds
- as the volume of this ship decreases, bottlenecking and stockpiling will become easier. chances are high some of us may very well be sitting on a few dozen samples by now.
add these factors to your numbers and I think we're losing quite a few more than your projected 10-20 ships a day. when I buy something, you may very well consider it lost until I sell it, which can be in sizable chunks at a time.
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Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2015.04.03 03:36:58 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Suur Ala wrote:Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD! Let's do some calculation. According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day. Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right? Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year. Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic) So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.
Actually your numbers are a bit off. Going by login ratios (since CCP stopped announcing sub numbers once eve sub numbers started declining) there's probably about 250k active accounts. Assuming 80% of those accounts redeem their stuff gives us 200k. LEt's assume 20k per year die and another 30k are lost to player churn. Suddenly in 3-4 years you have a decent investment.
Whether the ROI over 3 years, even if the double in price each year, is worth it as well as the effects of a shrinking player base and declining player attachment to the game effects the price is left as an exercise to the reader.
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erg cz
Tribal Core
180
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Posted - 2015.04.03 08:06:16 -
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This ship is usefull. And you only have one per account. Are you sure you will sell it? Cause I am gonna keep mine and something tells me, that plenty of high sec carebears / miners will do so even though they do not really need nullified ship with 30 m3 cargo space. Cause it is A YACHT !
So I seroisly doubt Gnosis or even Leopard price history can be good arguments in this case. More likely the price will keep slowly going up, cause carebears do not want to sell this nice shiny thing and null bears will keep losing it. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
70
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:46:18 -
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Another thing to consider: https://zkillboard.com/ship/34590/losses/
Out of the many that had been lost, only two were carrying useful cargo - blueprints in both cases. It could mean one of two things, either: 1) Either the shipment success is very high, or 2) They are not being used for their intended purposes.
I personally use my Yacht for business travel around Empire - 15 AU/s warp speed with great align times certainly helps.
P.S. WTB Yacht BPCs upto 95m and ready hulls upto 110m subject to location.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.04.05 22:19:08 -
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I for one also love them - I got a few extra, purely for private use. I don't expect them to be going up in price any time soon 
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Cixi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.06 14:20:58 -
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Their price can only go up in the long term, when will it go up is another story
I bought 10 BPC for 150m each, even if I don't make a profit out of that, it is still a good transport ship for BPs |
Coelomate
The Suicide Kings
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:54:34 -
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I'm buying as many as I can at good prices (cheap BPCs in weird stations, etc.) - steadily over days. I can't predict the price in a week, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't a good investment over the course of a year or two.
Love,
~Coelomate
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:19:31 -
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As expected, this spaceship commodity has found support at 110-115 mil for hulls and 100-105 for BPCs. There are many buy orders, with one in particular - for 60 units at 120 mil ISK in the Forge region, if anyone is willing to take the other side of the bet.
Whether this holds in the long term is yet to be seen.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:28:44 -
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Yacht hulls selling under 100 mil in Jita.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Ruvin
179
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:59:05 -
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GankYou wrote:Yacht hulls selling under 100 mil in Jita.
why did you decide to sell domi quafe bpc , a bit early and cheap :| 2 weeks still left .
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
97
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Posted - 2015.04.15 12:19:21 -
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It is supposedly a blue spaceship, and I'm colour-blind. So no use for me. 
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
574
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Posted - 2015.04.15 13:50:23 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Suur Ala wrote:Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD! Let's do some calculation. According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day. Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right? Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year. Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic) So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.
I knew investing in the Leopard would be a bad idea. Those resilient Leopards... dying even less than the Yachts are! Players with stockpiles be damned.
If anyone is looking to unload their Leopard or Yacht investments, please contract them to me at twice the build cost. That's right, I'll pay you double the value. I'm just here to help.
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1274
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:54:29 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Suur Ala wrote:Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD! Let's do some calculation. According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day. Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right? Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year. Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic) So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.
Sorry, Sir, I disagree with you.
Your numbers are no based on any solid data.
How many of these BPCs have been redeemed finally? How many BPCs have been lost by ganking T1 indu ships?
Speculation everywhere :)
I think you can compare it with the Leopard... every subscribed account had the chance to redeem one and the prices are pure speculation.
Nobody knows, if CCP goes crazy and releases a BPO for the Leopard. Or "nerfs" the Yacht and removes the bubble imminity. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:55:44 -
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The question of supply is an interesting one: As can be seen here - https://zkillboard.com/ship/34590/losses/ around ten are destroyed on a good day. Then, there is a certain number which are either claimed and lost to errors, forgotten about, or no longer available due to an inactive account.
A lot of attrition variables are in play.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:02:41 -
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GankYou wrote:The question of supply is an interesting one: As can be seen here - https://zkillboard.com/ship/34590/losses/ around ten are destroyed on a good day. Then, there is a certain number which are either claimed and lost to errors, forgotten about, or no longer available due to an inactive account. A lot of attrition variables are in play.
Or imagine this: it's been 5 years since the giveaway, price is going up and suddenly CCP decides it's time to make a blueprint for the yacht, and your 1000 pieces in the hangar begin to dive in the pacific  |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:12:38 -
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Where are the these notions of BPOs coming from?
You have to consider what this unique Yacht signifies - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/fanfest-2015-worlds-collide/
Quote:The real reason you should cheer for your champions is that every player active on the winning server at the time of the match will receive a special ship: the Victorieux Luxury Yacht. It is an opulent vessel in which the contraband-mongering Intaki Syndicate bosses traverse the universe with in utmost comfort and style--perfect for the mighty capsuleers and fitting as the prize for such a marquee event
This ship will be given once - and only once. The losing server will never receive it. Ever.
We won.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:28:55 -
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GankYou wrote:Where are the these notions of BPOs coming from? You have to consider what this unique Yacht signifies - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/fanfest-2015-worlds-collide/
Quote:The real reason you should cheer for your champions is that every player active on the winning server at the time of the match will receive a special ship: the Victorieux Luxury Yacht. It is an opulent vessel in which the contraband-mongering Intaki Syndicate bosses traverse the universe with in utmost comfort and style--perfect for the mighty capsuleers and fitting as the prize for such a marquee event
This ship will be given once - and only once. The losing server will never receive it. Ever. We won.
I almost feel bad for the Chinese. But they manufacture pretty much everything else in the World, so they'll get along with it |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:56:20 -
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ok. i correct my calculation. in 2034 it finally gets more value. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.29 04:05:10 -
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u3pog wrote:GankYou wrote:Where are the these notions of BPOs coming from? You have to consider what this unique Yacht signifies - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/fanfest-2015-worlds-collide/
Quote:The real reason you should cheer for your champions is that every player active on the winning server at the time of the match will receive a special ship: the Victorieux Luxury Yacht. It is an opulent vessel in which the contraband-mongering Intaki Syndicate bosses traverse the universe with in utmost comfort and style--perfect for the mighty capsuleers and fitting as the prize for such a marquee event
This ship will be given once - and only once. The losing server will never receive it. Ever. We won. I almost feel bad for the Chinese. But they manufacture pretty much everything else in the World, so they'll get along with it
I've made a remark on how they roll over there in the following post - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5701514#post5701514
It is also interesting to note that variety and customisation is the heart beat on Serenity - http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2tg4kh/chinese_mach_skin_i_want_one/ & http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2tg4kh/chinese_mach_skin_i_want_one/cnyr4yd
Comes with the culture.
Only we in the West could be content with the same monotonous designs for over a decade, though the introduction of various T2 trees did spice things up, and I remember aiming to train for certain ships merely because they had a different colour palette at that time.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.10 02:45:20 -
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The Yacht bestspaceship is selling for the price of a Gnosis right now, if you discount the building cost.
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SFR SaFeRa
DBD RELOADED
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2015.06.17 09:21:40 -
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GankYou wrote:The Yacht bestspaceship is selling for the price of a Gnosis right now, if you discount the building cost.
I personally bought 10 of them, as one of my first investments. I see them as valuable for a couple of reasons, among which are the reasons I used them :D. First, they provide bubble immunity for people who don't have skills. As a new player in null, this was my only option for moving around safely. With 3 align time rigs I had about a 1 second align time. If you're mart and put 4 stabs in the low slots, the probability of death is ludicrously small. They're also great for scouting; they have the cov ops, to stay cloaked, but also don't get caught by the bubbles they're looking for. They also look great. Plus, I really don't seeing them dropping in price very much, because they've been stable for a while. And of course, once prices start to creep up just a bit due to ship losses, people will start rushing in to buy them, which is great if you get in early. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
533
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:19:07 -
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Aye, but one second align times would be an exaggeration - around 2 seconds is doable w/ Serpentis Inertials.
No skills required, bubble-immune, EHP of a Battlecruiser, 6 AU/s base warp speed, Covops cloak! Best spaceship.
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SFR SaFeRa
DBD RELOADED
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:50:17 -
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GankYou wrote:Aye, but one second align times would be an exaggeration - around 2 seconds is doable w/ Serpentis Inertials. No skills required, bubble-immune, EHP of a Battlecruiser, 6 AU/s base warp speed, Covops cloak! Best spaceship.
*Cough* Um..... I think that sounds like a D'Deri'Dex except nerved :) |
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1351
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:50:24 -
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GankYou wrote:Aye, but one second align times would be an exaggeration - around 2 seconds is doable w/ Serpentis Inertials. No skills required, bubble-immune, EHP of a Battlecruiser, 6 AU/s base warp speed, Covops cloak! Best spaceship.
I can confirm that
1 second = 1 second plus 2 second decloak delay = 3 seconds at all
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