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TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.03 23:38:00 - [1] We in the Curse Alliance have stated over and over again that no one in the Curse Alliance tolerates pirating. It's been well over 2 months since Sinister and Red Corsairs change in policy...IE "We are no longer Pirates". There has not been a single act of pirating by either Corporation or No one in Black Omega or Oracle or VOTF or any of the other Corporations have committed a pirate act. No extortion, no podding unsuspecting noobs. There has been no flame on the Crime and Punishment board about any of us. But here are a list of active pirate corporations that I see on a daily basis gate camping and podding noobs and where they live(for those of you who can not read or have comprehension problems go get mommy and daddy to help you out k?) List as follows pulled from Crime and Punishment board: S.A.D Space Invaders Zombie Paladins of the Red Skull 10k Biomass To all you active rats out there so sorry if I missed you all. None of these Pirate Corporations are part of the Curse Alliance and it makes no sense to say that we are pirates when we have taken an active anti pirate stance. I have been in scraps with Space Invaders...hell, I even took on Che with my Caracal!!! You can ask any of these corporations how they feel about us. they hate us because we open up on them anytime we see them! And yet SA and FA and NVA and CFS have the same problem as we do....these corporations attacking all of us. IS IT JUST ME? AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEE'S THIS IS JUST NOT LOGICAL? We all should be stomping the SH!TXOR out of them! not each other. OBE And p-3EN is the biggest pirate hang out!!! and yet you all still call us war mongers and pirates! I said it before and I will say it again! this crap that you all spout is going to come back to haunt us all! They don't want to see us united. Could you all imagine what they fear the most! Omega Corp and Everlasting and Evol and Sinister and Red Corsairs and Black Omega and VOTF and all the rest comming up with all our uber PvP skills? Something to think about. I say we have done more good then evil and its about time people let go of the past. because while you all dwell on the past....they get stronger by the day...and they will come for all of us. and it will be too late because we have cut each other down. Just my 2 cents (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.11.03 23:46:00 - [2] Considering Obe and Jan are probably bookmarked up the ying-yang by its inhabitants, the jump-ins are regularly camped, and none of those corporations are worth chasing because they are even better at running than CA......... You go first LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.03 23:55:00 - [3] Quote: Considering Obe and Jan are probably bookmarked up the ying-yang by its inhabitants, the jump-ins are regularly camped, and none of those corporations are worth chasing because they are even better at running than CA......... You go first Thats the kind of attitude I am talking about (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Pogy Bait	Posted - 2003.11.03 23:57:00 - [4] Quote: Considering Obe and Jan are probably bookmarked up the ying-yang by its inhabitants, the jump-ins are regularly camped, and none of those corporations are worth chasing because they are even better at running than CA......... You go first Yeah, too much work. Let's just go attack CA and say that they're all pirates. Much more convienient and we can still pretend we're anti-pirate!!! /yawn PogyBait Can I go home yet?
TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.03 23:59:00 - [5] So basically its all about this whole dried up bullsh!t excuse that some in CA who really don't play anymore where pirates......again dead horse. find another excuse!! no one buys it anymore! (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Asimir Kurdugal	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Asimir Kurdugal on 04/11/2003 00:01:44 Good point, and one that I did not realise until recently. There is an alliance of admitted pirates kicking the snot out of the NVA right now up in Venal. But, I haven't heard anyone but NVA members getting their panties in a twist about it. ________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you
dalman	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:02:00 - [7] Are you guys still don't understanding that both of SA and FA has legit reasons to attack you even if you are not pirates As Joshua said. Those guys like the inside of stations more than your friends do. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Asimir Kurdugal	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:06:00 - [8] Quote: Are you guys still don't understanding that both of SA and FA has legit reasons to attack you even if you are not pirates Then stop with the empty accusations. ________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you
Dray	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:08:00 - [9] I dont really care if they are, were, or never were pirates, but the argument that will fly back at you is blatantly obvious, even without the help of mom and dad, and it is this, just because they say they aren't pirates any more dosent change the past or the fact that people just wont trust them, they were pirates, its like a murderer saying that he shouldnt be sent to jail because he dosent kill people any more, that he may be telling the truth isnt the issue, its wether people will believe him, and his past says he's not to be trusted, this isnt a flame and im not having a go at you, this is as simple as black and white to me, i really dont see why you bothered posting this, if they dont want to pirates any more then so be it, but a lot of people will say "if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas" just my opinion on other peoples opinions, i dont care if they were tbh, im SA and i fight for them because i have to, to honour the agreement of the alliance, your alliances past makes no diff to me, but please leave the topic alone its been done to death. Let me once again say that this is a step back and look, and an offered view as to why it gets people going, i have no wish to be flamed im just giving what i think is the general view that people will take, i really dont care that you have ex pirates in the CA. Keep up the good fight all involved, good luck and good hunting. /me goes off to find some fireproof clothing as the flamewar begins Dray - Redemption Inc. Master of the ***** batter and all things crass! Oh one more thing, Trigger get a bath you yorkshire soap dodger, SA ops with you require a gas mask these days I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
Pogy Bait	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:08:00 - [10] Edited by: Pogy Bait on 04/11/2003 00:13:22 Quote: Are you guys still don't understanding that both of SA and FA has legit reasons to attack you even if you are not pirates Then start listing them, instead of using this weak anti-pirate cr4p. It's getting stale and quite frankly it just isn't true. Attack us because you don't like us, attack us because it's convenient. what ever. Just for once I'd like to see an honest reason instead of rhetoric that has been proven false. /yawn Pogy Bait

TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:08:00 - [11] Edited by: TIvian on 04/11/2003 00:09:04 Quote: Are you guys still don't understanding that both of SA and FA has legit reasons to attack you even if you are not pirates As Joshua said. Those guys like the inside of stations more than your friends do. HMMM I re-read Joshuas post....there is nothing mentioned about why other then the same old same old. and last I checked I don't have any reading dissorders... And to be as UNPRODUCTIVE as you folks>>>>> Both sides run to dead space and stations. so you can let that dead horse go to dust as well... NEXT UNPRODUCTIVE STATEMENT PLEASE? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Pogy Bait	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Pogy Bait on 04/11/2003 00:11:11 vile double post
Runefinger	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Runefinger on 04/11/2003 00:16:39 mmm were was that big post with logs from some some curse corps stating they needed a good home base so they can buildup for invading FA/SA.... that alone is reason enough for war... not even considering the big attacks off those corps inside Fountain space in the past, we kinda did not forgive them for that yet... and somehow don't really trust them to leave us alone in the futur.....
TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:23:00 - [14] Quote: Edited by: Runefinger on 04/11/2003 00:16:39 mmm were was that big post with logs from some some curse corps stating they needed a good home base so they can buildup for invading FA/SA.... that alone is reason enough for war... not even considering the big attacks off those corps inside Fountain space in the past, we kinda did not forgive them for that yet... and somehow don't really trust them to leave us alone in the futur..... Sounds like crap to me....produce those please! NEXT UNPRODUCTIVE STATEMENT PLEASE!! (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Noctoz	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:34:00 - [15] Quote: Edited by: Runefinger on 04/11/2003 00:16:39 mmm were was that big post with logs from some some curse corps stating they needed a good home base so they can buildup for invading FA/SA.... that alone is reason enough for war... not even considering the big attacks off those corps inside Fountain space in the past, we kinda did not forgive them for that yet... and somehow don't really trust them to leave us alone in the futur..... You are quoting an individuals oppinion dating back to the time before we even moved down and joined CA. Do you seriously think that is a valid argument here? I don't mind fighting you but please don't claim it's because we are pirates. If you really are after pirates there are as mentioned above lots of them to deal with. ------------------ NoctoZ Black Reign Curse Alliance
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:34:00 - [16] Ok, here is one. "We don't think you're kewl any more" Keep on flaming, lamers.
dalman	Posted - 2003.11.04 00:39:00 - [17] Edited by: dalman on 04/11/2003 00:45:16 Quote: Quote: Are you guys still don't understanding that both of SA and FA has legit reasons to attack you even if you are not pirates Then start listing them, instead of using this weak anti-pirate cr4p. It's getting stale and quite frankly it just ins't true. Attack us because you don't like us, attack us because it's convenient. what ever. Just for once I'd like to see an honest reason instead of rhetoric that has been proven false. /yawn Pogy Bait I've listed them a hundred times already, but ok, here I go again with why I'm in war with CA. It boils down to conflicts with Sinister and Red Corsairs, followed by a war declaration from the new CA. The well known pirate corp Sinister wasn't really a problem at all. And they were bound to the old agreements made by m0o. However, in a very bold move m0o/sinister teamed up with RUS, and thereby they became an enemy to us. Oracle was also KOS to SA due to their involvement in the jove event. But I enjoyed to have such a roleplaying corp in EVE, and we never hunted them. During the same time, there was a formal war between us and Red Corsairs. Declared by us about 3 months ago. At that time Red Corsairs was a stated pirate corp. As RUS were beginning to fall, more effort was put into hunting RC in Curse (as well as RUS-1-UKR, which is a sub corp of RUS). None really complained about us hunting RC. However, 2 corps, Shinra and VoTF started to help RC and was drawn into the war. And Shinra members were frequently camping gates in Catch. This was the time it started to become very turbulent in Curse. However, talks with CA started. Basics was that RC claimed to no longer be a pirate corp and CA didn't want us attacking them in Curse. Hence RC should surrender the formal war and we would leave those corps alone. A "cease fire" was agreed, and we were ordered to not enter Curse while the talks were ongoing. Then came CA's responce. That RC would not surrender and that CA would fight on behalf of RC. And at the same time, CA expanded with new corps, among other Sinister, who already was an enemy to us. And Sinister did not contact us prior to this, and NEITHER DID THEY OFFICALLY STATE THEY WERE NO LONGER PIRATES. On the very first night, prior to any SA attacks, CA sent a fleet of 20 ships into Stain. After this SA made counter attacks and CA was pushed back into Curse. A few days after this Evolution entered Curse. Their reasons has also been stated a hundred times. It was CA that attacked SA first. And not until after this attack did Sinister state they were no longer pirates. So when they stated this, they had already started the war between SA and CA. edit And unless you didn't know: Prior to you forming a big nearby enemy to us, SA forces regularly visited the north of EVE to make M3G4 and Paladins of the Red Skull spend some time in their stations. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.11.04 01:40:00 - [18] Edited by: Nirvy on 04/11/2003 01:43:47 Dalman I do beleive you can get to the North of Eve via other routes apart from curse. Seriously, in a years time will you still be trying to exact revenge on sinister and RC? Your not stupid, you know that out of the CA, maybe 30 people used to pirate, you also know that your chances of finding one of them are slim. We both know winning a war against competant forces is next to impossible in eve at this point. It does seem strange that the new Pirate alliance who wants to kill the other alliances is active, and yet no one is fighting them apart from NVA (who has personal reasons for that conflict. It may be me, but wars appear to get Stale pretty fast, and degenerate into hot and run missions, where there are never decisive victories. Getting rid of the PR crap, you know that we can fight you for ever, just as you can us, its not possible to kill each other of. The way things are going i can see all the alliances still re-hashing the tired old reasons for war we see today. Im personally holding out for player made stations and mining platforms, but it seem they wont be here for a long long time, and will be so expensive they will be madly guarded. Mercenary \| The Azath
dalman	Posted - 2003.11.04 01:48:00 - [19] You still don't see what I'm saying. We were talking with the old CA about ending the conflict with RC. Then a new CA was formed and it declared hostile intentions and attacked us on the very first day. You guys really don't know that it was your fellows in CA that started the current war. Not by acts of piracy, but by attacking us. Of course we don't go through Curse to get to the north of EVE. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.11.04 01:57:00 - [20] Quote: You still don't see what I'm saying. We were talking with the old CA about ending the conflict with RC. Then a new CA was formed and it declared hostile intentions and attacked us on the very first day. You guys really don't know that it was your fellows in CA that started the current war. Not by acts of piracy, but by attacking us. Of course we don't go through Curse to get to the north of EVE. Sigh why are people so obsessed with who started what, and whose fault it is. Watching CFS and CA argue over who started the war and why put me off these forums for a good few weeks. I'd rather listen to my cousins argue about who started their little fight first to be honest. I'd like to see you address my other questions though :) (ooc if you mention who started the war again imma throw my mouse of out the window in frustration, so you can eliminate one CA pilot that way if you wish ) Mercenary \| The Azath

Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.11.04 02:47:00 - [21] Giving you nothing but positive vibes ... Mongo speaks !!
Enraku Reynolt	Posted - 2003.11.04 03:41:00 - [22] Your words are true but face it old grudges are quick to grow, and slow to die ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the sa
UnFriendly Fire	Posted - 2003.11.04 03:50:00 - [23] You do realize that Dirus has been pirating in JKFIX since before he joined Shinra, and then continued to do so afterwards?
Rath Amon	Posted - 2003.11.04 04:59:00 - [24] Quote: They don't want to see us united. Could you all imagine what they fear the most! Omega Corp and Everlasting and Evol and Sinister and Red Corsairs and Black Omega and VOTF and all the rest comming up with all our uber PvP skills? This sounds pretty interesting but honestly the only CA corp I'd trust enough to fly with would be Oracle (and they'd probably try to kill me even though I only keep a modest complement of well-treated Minmatar servants). And even if we did fly all the way there we'd never get any of those pirates because they'd just run or log.
TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.04 06:29:00 - [25] Quote: Quote: They don't want to see us united. Could you all imagine what they fear the most! Omega Corp and Everlasting and Evol and Sinister and Red Corsairs and Black Omega and VOTF and all the rest comming up with all our uber PvP skills? This sounds pretty interesting but honestly the only CA corp I'd trust enough to fly with would be Oracle (and they'd probably try to kill me even though I only keep a modest complement of well-treated Minmatar servants). And even if we did fly all the way there we'd never get any of those pirates because they'd just run or log. Just a thought? what is wrong with my corp? we never have been pirates. and have had a non pirate stance since the forming of BOS. my whole point is that this Grudge or in game hatred...and I hope that is all it is. is not going to be the end of it all for all of us. we know that NVA is having their hands full. and if I am not mistaken so has FA. it would make more sence to settle old differences and take out the trash. Just remember.....they get stronger as we continue to focus our efforts on dead issues. and worthless causes. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
TIvian	Posted - 2003.11.04 06:30:00 - [26] Quote: You do realize that Dirus has been pirating in JKFIX since before he joined Shinra, and then continued to do so afterwards? then you need to take this up with Xirt or Sarcos. and make sure that you are not just talkin trash. proof of purchase needed please (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
StoreSlem	Posted - 2003.11.04 07:25:00 - [27] Quote: We in the Curse Alliance have stated over and over again that no one in the Curse Alliance tolerates pirating. It's been well over 2 months since Sinister and Red Corsairs change in policy...IE "We are no longer Pirates". There has not been a single act of pirating by either Corporation or No one in Black Omega or Oracle or VOTF or any of the other Corporations have committed a pirate act. No extortion, no podding unsuspecting noobs. There has been no flame on the Crime and Punishment board about any of us. But here are a list of active pirate corporations that I see on a daily basis gate camping and podding noobs and where they live(for those of you who can not read or have comprehension problems go get mommy and daddy to help you out k?) List as follows pulled from Crime and Punishment board: S.A.D Space Invaders Zombie Paladins of the Red Skull 10k Biomass To all you active rats out there so sorry if I missed you all. None of these Pirate Corporations are part of the Curse Alliance and it makes no sense to say that we are pirates when we have taken an active anti pirate stance. I have been in scraps with Space Invaders...hell, I even took on Che with my Caracal!!! You can ask any of these corporations how they feel about us. they hate us because we open up on them anytime we see them! And yet SA and FA and NVA and CFS have the same problem as we do....these corporations attacking all of us. IS IT JUST ME? AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEE'S THIS IS JUST NOT LOGICAL? We all should be stomping the SH!TXOR out of them! not each other. OBE And p-3EN is the biggest pirate hang out!!! and yet you all still call us war mongers and pirates! I said it before and I will say it again! this crap that you all spout is going to come back to haunt us all! They don't want to see us united. Could you all imagine what they fear the most! Omega Corp and Everlasting and Evol and Sinister and Red Corsairs and Black Omega and VOTF and all the rest comming up with all our uber PvP skills? Something to think about. I say we have done more good then evil and its about time people let go of the past. because while you all dwell on the past....they get stronger by the day...and they will come for all of us. and it will be too late because we have cut each other down. Just my 2 cents how come tlbc and m0o arent on your list? go die, pirate.
StoreSlem	Posted - 2003.11.04 07:27:00 - [28] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Runefinger on 04/11/2003 00:16:39 mmm were was that big post with logs from some some curse corps stating they needed a good home base so they can buildup for invading FA/SA.... that alone is reason enough for war... not even considering the big attacks off those corps inside Fountain space in the past, we kinda did not forgive them for that yet... and somehow don't really trust them to leave us alone in the futur..... Sounds like crap to me....produce those please! NEXT UNPRODUCTIVE STATEMENT PLEASE!! if you don't find this 'productive', it's exclusively because of your ignorance. I cannot see why we even need to justify our actions to the likes of you. **** off plz.
StoreSlem	Posted - 2003.11.04 07:28:00 - [29] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Runefinger on 04/11/2003 00:16:39 mmm were was that big post with logs from some some curse corps stating they needed a good home base so they can buildup for invading FA/SA.... that alone is reason enough for war... not even considering the big attacks off those corps inside Fountain space in the past, we kinda did not forgive them for that yet... and somehow don't really trust them to leave us alone in the futur..... You are quoting an individuals oppinion dating back to the time before we even moved down and joined CA. Do you seriously think that is a valid argument here? I don't mind fighting you but please don't claim it's because we are pirates. If you really are after pirates there are as mentioned above lots of them to deal with. it's not because you are pirates, it is because we have a war. how ******* hard is that to comprehend?
Balmer	Posted - 2003.11.04 08:14:00 - [30] As much as you may wish that we would divert our efforts away from CA it simply isn't going to happen. In fact, if CA continues to stretch its borders and add to the already long list of enemies by attempting attrition (read GWP), it will surely fall. You cant possibly hope to keep all your borders safe. I know OC alone has downed 5 CA battleships in the past 48 hours. You REALLY think you can keep that up? And guess what, we're just getting warmed up. See you in Curse...at your frontdoor...with some really big guns. ------------------------------ Proud Member of Curse Alliance ------------------------------



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