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Antihrist Pripravnik
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:19:27 -
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I have tried to search for a post in F&I about increases in Zydrine and Megacyte usage, as announced in the latest o7 show, but the search did not return any result. If I've missed the info and the search results were bad, I apologize in advance for bringing up this topic.
With that said, the latest o7 show, broadcasted yesterday at 20:00 (http://evenews24.com/2015/04/01/the-o7-show-changes-new-stuff-and-pew-pew/) brought the announcement that Zydrine and Megacyte volumes used in manufacturing will be going up for about 50%.
That's all fine, it's a balancing thing and it's not my intention to discuss it. However, by looking at the market history graph I can see that someone has used this information on the 19th of March.
Here are the 3 month average prices for Zydrine and Megacyte . Since those are average prices, you'll need to go to Jita and open 1 Month graph to see the exact date of the spike (graphs are posted for illustration purposes here).
So, naturally, I have a question:
Is this spike in material usage known to the community before yesterday's o7 show?
If not, then there are a lot of other questions more suitable for petition system and CCP's internal affairs.
Thanks for reading.
P.S. I once more apologize in advance if I've missed the info on this in the forums. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:25:49 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:If not, then there are a lot of other questions more suitable for petition system and CCP's internal affairs. Good thing I just restocked the pitchfork emporium.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:27:59 -
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This thread has been moved to Market Discussions.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:31:15 -
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The change in usage wasn't known.
The fact that the Null ores were being adjusted was revealed at fanfest. With what was said there, it was obvious the balance was being adjusted in favor of the lowend minerals in the ores, to bring them more in line with the production curve.
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/link/10000002/39 Zydrine https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/link/10000002/40 Megacyte
you may want to adjust the times to just see the last month.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:38:30 -
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Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:41:26 -
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So the sudden interest in Zydrine and Megacyte could be about what was announced on Fanfest instead of material usage spike. Makes sense.
Thanks for the info |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc. Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:44:36 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:So the sudden interest in Zydrine and Megacyte could be about what was announced on Fanfest instead of material usage spike. Makes sense. Thanks for the info
Yep, the first spike have been the clever guys that counted 1 and 1 together and then realized it must be a channge in Zyd and Mega that is in the works.
Yesterday was more or less a "GO BUY MEGA AND ZYD!" - command from Fozzie, that even the slowest viewers got (myself included).
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:02:53 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413509&find=unread Dated (2015-03-20 09:54:07 UTC)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413489&find=unread Dated (2015-03-20 06:20:10 UTC)
I completely understand that some people are butthurt about not being able to make tens of billions in a few minutes with little to no effort, but have some humility, will you?
Myself, and a few other prudent investors, traveled across the whole of Empire space far and wide: from Aridia to Devoid to get everything that wasn't nailed down around March 19-20th.
With that attitude, you'll miss the whole move and development in this historic change for Eve industry.
If you're selling right now, I'm buying.
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Kinis Deren
StarHunt Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:04:16 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals.
Good call!
Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte.
A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post).
OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:09:14 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals. Good call! Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte. A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post). OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed.
A 99% of ships in Eve have a Zyd to Megacyte ratio of 3 on average. Since the year 2003. |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:26:50 -
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GankYou wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413509&find=unread Dated (2015-03-20 09:54:07 UTC) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413489&find=unread Dated (2015-03-20 06:20:10 UTC) I completely understand that some people are butthurt about not being able to make tens/hundreds of billions in a few minutes with little to no effort, but have some humility, will you? Myself, and a few other prudent investors, traveled across the whole of Empire space far and wide: from Aridia to Devoid to get everything that wasn't nailed down around March 19-20th. With that attitude, you'll miss the whole move and development in this historic change for Eve industry. If you're selling right now, I'm buying.
Yeah. Attitude can be caused by misinformation, which is in my case true That's why I asked fellow players who are more informed than me to shed some light. Thanks for your input on the subject |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:43:11 -
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GankYou wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals. Good call! Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte. A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post). OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed. A 99% of ships in Eve have a Zyd to Megacyte ratio of 3 on average. Since the year 2003.
I don't industry. Like, ever
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.04.02 21:31:40 -
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"doubling the use" is not 50% increase. |
virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:39:24 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:"doubling the use" is not 50% increase.
what he just said |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:50:16 -
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GankYou wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals. Good call! Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte. A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post). OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed. A 99% of ships in Eve have a Zyd to Megacyte ratio of 3 on average. Since the year 2003.
pretty much, also with how little the yacht actually cost to produce I really doubt the spike would be that big.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.03 03:08:44 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:GankYou wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals. Good call! Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte. A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post). OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed. A 99% of ships in Eve have a Zyd to Megacyte ratio of 3 on average. Since the year 2003. pretty much, also with how little the yacht actually cost to produce I really doubt the spike would be that big.
I'm just legitimately curious here and don't know the answer: So let's say there are 300,000 subscribers to Eve. Each of them got a BPC for one yacht, so they each need 1000 Zydrine to make use of the BPC. There is now a universal demand for Zydrine at a singular moment where there wasn't before, and for the larger portion of players purchasing the Zydrine is going to be the preferable way of acquiring it. In theory, that doesn't increase the demand for Zydrine and subsequently the price?
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:01:58 -
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The yacht requirements for the materials is utterly utterly insignificant to other needs for those materials in the grand scheme of things. You can ignore the yacht completely, it is a total red herring with regards to the prices. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.03 13:21:45 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:GankYou wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Can't remember off the top of my head if the Yacht we all got needed those two to be built.....I think it did? Might have something to do with it. Everyone wanting to build the ship at the same time we make for a good time to profit on some minerals. Good call! Victorieux Luxury Yacht BP requires 1000 Zydrine and 350 Megacyte. A quick search of the forums suggests the BP hit SiSi early March (see this dev post). OP, in this particular case, CCP's Internal Affairs services don't appear to be needed. A 99% of ships in Eve have a Zyd to Megacyte ratio of 3 on average. Since the year 2003. pretty much, also with how little the yacht actually cost to produce I really doubt the spike would be that big. I'm just legitimately curious here and don't know the answer: So let's say there are 300,000 subscribers to Eve. Each of them got a BPC for one yacht, so they each need 1000 Zydrine to make use of the BPC. There is now a universal demand for Zydrine at a singular moment where there wasn't before, and for the larger portion of players purchasing the Zydrine is going to be the preferable way of acquiring it. In theory, that doesn't increase the demand for Zydrine and subsequently the price?
*Sigh*
All I'll say is that the Yacht is a considered to be a cruiser hull, hence cruiser-like mineral build requirements. And yes, any new additional ships will influence demand of all build components that is used for their production. But as virm pasuul said, the effect of this particular ship is negligible.
An Armageddon uses upto 11k of Zydrine. With the current build bill of materials. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:05:10 -
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Then again the Fanfest info and the one from the o7 show... which one was more detailed
Akrasjel Lanate
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:41:01 -
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Both.
Fanfest laid out Ore changes and hinted at certain mineral consumption increase. o7 Show reiterated on coming Ore changes and confirmed the above hint with details being: Zydrine & Megacyte input doubling for most manufacturing.
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/638754943 March Fanfest Nullsec Mining presentation from 2:28:00 http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/popout?videoId=a644494144 April o7 Show comments from 21:15
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