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Viktor Kusanagi	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Viktor Kusanagi on 26/10/2006 02:23:59 Edit: This is in Shousran! Right now! Come see! Just logged on to do some mining today and guess what i found, our relative quiet, now has 17 people in it, me and another pilot i know but who are these other 15 people? well they have names like this. These guys are all members of Science and Technology Institute for 4 months and 11 days: bigubif dfgtyryr dfkhthtt fdfdgk hgfhgfhv jfdjfjd oitfgfg siroracle sjhdfgsf vcxed The following are members of Federal Navy Academy for 22 days: younker06 tantara06 lionet06 normandy06 Yep! Thats TWO sets of macroers/farmers! TWO! what the hell do i petition this as? they are mining all of my ore! harassment? exploit?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:25:00 - [2] If they are not using macro scripts then really there is nothing you can do except steal their ore and petition.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
smenkhare Ordered Kaos Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:26:00 - [3] not sure if it is even petitionable. steal all their ore?
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:29:00 - [4] do they mine ina group? if so buy me a geddon with smart bombs and 1600 plates. lemme blow them up SERIOUS offer! - Think your having a bad day? Imagine this, Your a siamese Twin joined at the hip,Your brother is *** & your not, His lover is comming around and you only have one bottom.
sonofollo Caldari 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:42:00 - [5] if i was CCP an immediate ban stick would be put in but im not so leave em be Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Viktor Kusanagi Edited by: Viktor Kusanagi on 26/10/2006 02:23:59 Edit: This is in Shousran! Right now! Come see! Just logged on to do some mining today and guess what i found, our relative quiet, now has 17 people in it, me and another pilot i know but who are these other 15 people? well they have names like this. These guys are all members of Science and Technology Institute for 4 months and 11 days: bigubif dfgtyryr dfkhthtt fdfdgk hgfhgfhv jfdjfjd oitfgfg siroracle sjhdfgsf vcxed The following are members of Federal Navy Academy for 22 days: younker06 tantara06 lionet06 normandy06 Yep! Thats TWO sets of macroers/farmers! TWO! what the hell do i petition this as? they are mining all of my ore! harassment? exploit? You would think macroers wouldnt be stupid enough to name their char "ddidfbd", but, heh Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
DuckM4n Vo	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:49:00 - [7] By the way, they are actually working together. The people with 06 in their names are the haulers for the other people who sit in covetors.
bahamut pelennor	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:09:00 - [8] i can't believe, another human miner! thought i was the only one left... i saw these macroers, same group. they stripped systems im wandering in too. i have many macroers in my buddies list, i petitioned some of them, the gm who contacted me (no names here), said he/she will check them, anyway they are still online. i have dedicated anti macro alt (to no avail), in fact im posting this with it, because you know, some chinese guys who join and quit together with certain macro group, tried to put some pressure on me while i was mining peacefuly with my main. i guess they tried to force me out of the system so they can do what they do. its kinda sad, i've waited many and many years for game like this - i'm big space game fan, just to see it exploited in such a way. i can understand why macroers do it, i can understand CCP too - game market is hard one, and loosing a few disappointed players is better for them instead of banning hundreds or maybe thousands macroers, but the fact is that players are players and macroers are not players, and we - human players - pay money to get some fun, and i dont get much fun in jumping from system to system just to see the belts stripped. i hope CCP crew understands that they are breaking their own EULA, by doing something like nothing (or what they do is not effective) against macroers who exploit their software. anyway, i mean no flame and no offence, thats great game. i'm just... disappointed.
Gjs312 Caldari Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:13:00 - [9] "siroracle" actually makes sense, you sure that name did accidentally get cought up in there?
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:25:00 - [10] paying for the accoutns affords u some protection from action as does answering GM requests for convos (if they dont respond they get banned but CCP takes the view if they can respond to convos then there is no evidence) try talking to em and they respond therefore they wont get banned
bahamut pelennor	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:25:00 - [11] siroracle was hauling for macroers, just a few hours ago
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:38:00 - [12] WTF.. I just dont understand.. Why does eveyone hate macrominers? Its free ore to ore thieves.. Cheap as hell minerals to the people who put up insanely cheap mineral buy orders and lets producers build stuff on the cheap as most players hate mining with a passion? [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Dwight Hammerhead Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:47:00 - [13] Noob corps are the bane of this game. Steal enough of their ore, use it to build a smartbom apoc, get them all with it _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:51:00 - [14] [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Angry Alt on 26/10/2006 06:05:37 Originally by: Viktor Kusanagi Edited by: Viktor Kusanagi on 26/10/2006 02:23:59they are mining all of my ore! It's not YOUR ore, it belongs to anyone who wants to grab it. Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus WTF.. I just dont understand.. If you don't understand the problems with macroing... Well, seek out some assistance in the likes of someone who has a clue. They're hurting legitimate miners, the market for ore and the game itself. "OHNOES, I'll have to pay a few more ISK for somthing probably undervalued because of those cheats!" It is obvious they're most likely macroing. Anyone actually 'playing' the game would not choose such obviously random names for their chars. Do you really believe they're not macroing and breaking the EULA? If so I've got a nice long brigde to sell you, along with many cars in 'mint' condition and an actual snowball that's happilly freezing in hell, heck I'll even escrow them all in Jita for a 'good' price whenever you are ready.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:08:00 - [16] Then go mine in low sec.. I make 10's of millions there.. And before you go "OMG i'll get wtfpwnd in low sec by piwates" no you won't.. Before you start a mining op use a fast frig to set bookmarks far from the 15km warp in point and align your mining ship to a SS and keep an eagle eye on local.. How hard is that? [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
bahamut pelennor	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus WTF.. I just dont understand.. Why does eveyone hate macrominers? Its free ore to ore thieves.. Cheap as hell minerals to the people who put up insanely cheap mineral buy orders and lets producers build stuff on the cheap as most players hate mining with a passion? well, what you are talking about reduces the game to these 3 steps, from your angle: 1. steal ore 2. buy cheap ship 3. lose it to another player like you and, you know, for me thats boring. im sure many people enjoy mining/industry/trade, invest their time in skills and such, dont make the game pointless for them. eve is not some shooter ffs, its much more complex and thats its beauty.
Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Then go mine in low sec.. I make 10's of millions there.. And before you go "OMG i'll get wtfpwnd in low sec by piwates" no you won't.. Before you start a mining op use a fast frig to set bookmarks far from the 15km warp in point and align your mining ship to a SS and keep an eagle eye on local.. How hard is that? Is that really your best argument, "mine in low sec"? LOL, I don't even mine. So much for that point. If you really think people that macro only do so in high-sec, you've got a lot to learn. Lots are based out of 0.0 and many in low-sec space in mainly safer systems with few pirates. Sure there's a concentration in high-sec, where risk is minimal, it makes sense for them. I'd rather pay more for an item, than less than something ill-gotten from a cheating **** who contributes nothing except low-priced ore while screwing the market flooding it with cheating and breaking the EULA. It's too late to even try ATM although ignorance is not an excuse.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:36:00 - [19] Oh dear.. I guess i've struck a nerve.. I'm sorry that players who band together to mine macro's or not are messing up your easy empire mining ops.. Empire mining is supposed to fund new players who dont quite know what direction they are going to persue be it pve.. pvp.. or industry.. any serious miner is going to be raping the low sec no sec roid fields for their isk/production needs.. Ask any serious mining/production corp.. Oh wait you want risk free mining my bad.. well contend with the fact that your up for some stiff competition for resorces mate.. grow some nads and expand your horizons.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Shusaku	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:45:00 - [20] Edited by: Shusaku on 26/10/2006 09:47:57 Quote: Empire mining is supposed to fund new players who dont quite know what direction they are going to persue be it pve.. pvp.. or industry.. any serious miner is going to be raping the low sec no sec roid fields for their isk/production needs thats not neccisarily so, i both mine in low-sec and empire. i just love empire mining because you can relax and not have to worry about any Yarr ppl flying in. But macrominers in my region are spoiling the fun i have to look for atleast half an hour to find a good spot to mine ahwile couse they emptied all the belts. Made me mine ahwole lot less And im not gonna ***** about the market couse the weird thing is the trit buyorder price has gone up from 1.5 to 2.1 or sometimes more
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:21:00 - [21] Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 26/10/2006 11:23:41 So what EXACTLY were they doing that told you they were using Macros? Mining is not illegal. Organized mining is not illegal. Whole fleets strip mining a systems is not illegal. Only the use of a macro to automate the process is illegal. So how are you able to see onto their PC to be able to tell they are all using macro's? Seems like Farmers to me NOT macro miners. Sure organised farmers are a pain. I don't like them en-mass, but they are also not illegal. Stop crying 'macro' when it's quite clear very few of you have a clue what a real macro miner is. Start crying 'Farmer' and you'd stand a better chance of being correct. I'm guessing the reason you cry 'macro' is because 'farming' won't get you the same response.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:27:00 - [22] Im pretty sure your not allowed to steal ore from macro miners. Selling/refining materials that were braught into the game using an exploit means your profitting from the exploit aswell so you are also in the wrong. Your best bet is to destroy the ore by moving it into your own can then blowing it up.
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:31:00 - [23] Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 26/10/2006 11:31:51 I believe you are correct Brent, you are not allowed to steal the ore. Moving it to your own can and then attacking them if they take it back is permitted, so long as you never actually take the ore home. No one is allowed to profit from Macro's or their use.
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Laughlyn Vaughns on 26/10/2006 11:43:43 the answer to the empire macro miner problem isnt "So mine Lowsec" peopel have been minign in empire way before these muppets came in and started ruining legitimate miners games. i used to mine for a large part of my gametime in a hulk with Modulated Strip II's and Miner II drones in 0.5 space, hired noobs to haul my kernite away for a 5% cut. at abotu 3 - 3.5 x 27,500m3 jetcans an hour u can imagien what these noobs was gettign lol then the MAcroers came wanderign in and every belt i went too was empty of every asteroid rock by 6-7 hours after DT (when i get in from work) in abotu 5 systems around this spot. it was really annoying. yes u may say oh they are farmers but i took advice from websites and forum posts on how to try spottign macroers things like if i took their ore even in ahuler they didnt aggro back they just all autopiloted to station and logged, they never spoke if u asked them if they wa sok, and even when u try openign up convo ect, u can tell a macroer pretty easily after a week or so of monitoring them. in the end i sold off my entire mining equipment plus hauling (itty V with 5 x 27.44% expanders) and i bought enuff stuff to try missions. i feel as if all my time training minign skilsl was wasted and i had to start excelling all my combat skills over time. on the bright side it has made me into a half decent combat pilot as well and the minerals i getfrom missions and drone missions i can at least build battl;eships ect at perfect lol the only probs is that if sumone as spent almost all their time training mining and they dont have any cmbat skills then its a shame that they are havign to stop playign the game how they want to, i dont agree with macroers but nowdays missioning is a lot more fun, looking back at it tho it was kinda nice to start off some nobs with a good amount of cash/minerlas and start them off on their career path
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Angry Alt If you really think people that macro only do so in high-sec, you've got a lot to learn. Lots are based out of 0.0 and many in low-sec space in mainly safer systems with few pirates. Sure there's a concentration in high-sec, where risk is minimal, it makes sense for them. System names, locations, lo sec macro operators. Proof before you begin spewing rubbish. I have observed macro miners numerous times the only ones I have seen ACTUALLY macro are those that operate in Ore fields and even then they are rare (despite what people say, if your system is mined out its probably a mining corp making BSes I used to do it all the time for my corp). The rest is just 10 accounts and one guy hoping between them gathering minerals. I have not experianced any "macro" missioners but thats due to the fact I don't do missions. -------------- Dang nabit
arjun Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:49:00 - [26] the reality is, that there are thousands of them its not a minor problem. its HUGE. if the game is to survive for not few but many more years this has to stop. there are probably hundreds odf people earning their daily bread inside this game. they ruin it for many others because they camp and use resources an fun player cant fight with this agressivity.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:51:00 - [27] My twopence worth. CCP has never in my experience ever acknowledged the presence of Macro Miners. Any progress they have made to remove the presence of them is never made public, they take no credit for removing them. If they don't wish to be publicly transparent about these activities, there is no reason why you should feel that there ore is Off Limits, as nobody has ever said there is a problem, let alone what you personally are supposed to do about it. The few times they do mention, a common line is "It's very hard to determine they are using macros." which is why they never appear to do anything about it. So I ask you, if CCP cannot determine the account is illegal under the partially enforced EULA, then how can you make that determination either? We're just happy to believe they are, but it doesn't make it 100% true, so as the doubt exists, there is no reason to believe the ore is Off Limits. If CCP actively did what they are supposed to in this area, and they were seen to be doing it, I would advise you that the ore is definitely Off Limits, as I advocate the Do-As-CCP-Do line. That way you can not go wrong. If CCP start retrospectively penalising players accounts because they took ore from somebody who they later deemed to be using macro tools, then things could get weird and fast. So far we've seen ISK terrorism being employed by the Macro outfits to get genuine players penalised heavily. That is your greatest threat at the moment. Worry about 500 million isk showing up in your account from seemingly nowhere, there's not much else to really worry at the moment. Personally, I have probably stolen over 200 million in ore from Macro* Miners, destroyed maybe 50 million in ore, and I've destroyed ships and equipment to the tune of 300 million, and snarled up their operations for a total time probably reaching a billion isk. This is small beer compared to the amount they are pumping into the Eve economy, CCP are never going to look at my contribution to this mess as anything other than insignificant. Just take what you need, destroy what you can, and watch out for ISK terrorism. If you --really-- want to waste your time, petition them. The term Macro is used figuratively and imaginatively and not intended to describe the exact mechanism by which input commands are entered into the Eve client. Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better.*
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:56:00 - [28] That is exactly what I mean. You dont knwo they are using macros. In fact if you are mining in a barge you'd be stupid to attempt to fight anyeon who steals your ore. Just yesterday a fellow corp member had someone steal his Ice. He retaliated with drones and lost his ship and his cargo. He even went and got his Cruiser to seek revenge, but the thief ran away. They didn't even take the ore, they were 'testing' for macroers, but still felt justified to kill a defenseless barge miner, solo mining ice. If someone fights back, or runs to the station and logs, you can bet your next paycheck they are not macroing. If You are a macro hunter and one of your targets does agro on you. Manners would dictate you appologize to the offended party for your rude intrusion and make a hasty retreat without inconviniencing them any further. DONT go destroying their ship just because you can. YOU are the one harrassing them, not the other way around. Just to finish off, stop shouting 'macroer' when you really have no clue.
Sha'eira Zar	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot If You are a macro hunter and one of your targets does agro on you. Manners would dictate you appologize to the offended party for your rude intrusion and make a hasty retreat without inconviniencing them any further. DONT go destroying their ship just because you can. YOU are the one harrassing them, not the other way around. signed
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 26/10/2006 11:23:41 So what EXACTLY were they doing that told you they were using Macros? Mining is not illegal. Organized mining is not illegal. Whole fleets strip mining a systems is not illegal. Only the use of a macro to automate the process is illegal. So how are you able to see onto their PC to be able to tell they are all using macro's? Seems like Farmers to me NOT macro miners. Sure organised farmers are a pain. I don't like them en-mass, but they are also not illegal. Stop crying 'macro' when it's quite clear very few of you have a clue what a real macro miner is. Start crying 'Farmer' and you'd stand a better chance of being correct. I'm guessing the reason you cry 'macro' is because 'farming' won't get you the same response. How the fact that you can steal from them for several hours sometimes b4 they notice or the fact that they are online 23/7. Account sharing is in breach of EULA as well "farming", "macroing" whatever you call gets generalized as macroing, both are in breach of EULA.

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