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Darkness Dreadlord	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:50:00 - [1] I'm sorry if this has been gone over before, it probably has considering how LAME it is.. but.. I'm a new player, only playing for a couple of weeks or so, and today thought to myself, hey, I know a bit more than I did when I started and I could have done my skills in a much better way.. oh I know, Ill start a second char and do it right, and maybe ill play with a different style as well, yea I'm PAYING for the privilege to play this game, I'm sure I can do that... So yes, I start a new char, all goes well, cept for the usual sitting there for 20 mins finding an unused name :) Oh, yay I'm in with the new char, cant wait to start off in a new region with a new char and have some fun, so I think, hey, Ill train learning 1st to help speed things up.. I click on train skill and BANG ! OMG, I get this message that I just cant believe... "You cant train this skill as another char on your account is training please stop that one 1st" I sit in shock saying "you have to be kidding" I thought it was a mistake, so I click train again.. same thing.. I really cant believe they do this ?? what possible reason could there be for this ?? two totally separate chars cant train at the same time.. Does anyone know why this is ? It seems like a ploy to just get us to stay in the game and pay longer.. as who wants to stop training 1 char to start another... and as most other things in the game seem to be designed to just make players wait, and stay paying for longer, I thought this one was going a bit to far :( Sorry for the rant.. but I really REALLY am disappointed by this.. I came so close to hitting the end account button, as it is I still might as this has just ruined a big part of my enjoyment of the game :( EVERY other online game ive played has allowed this, Guild Wars, WOW, City Of Hearos etc.. We pay to play the game monthly, we pay and we get 3 char slots, but we cant use them ! Shame shame shame Anyway, end rant.
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:51:00 - [2] If you play some other MMO, how many character can you level up at the same time on one account? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Caleb Paine If you play some other MMO, how many character can you level up at the same time on one account? That's just arguing symantec's and you know it :) Learning skills if a different type of thing, and with 2 different chars, that you cant play at the same time it makes no sense. So I cant train my main char for 2 weeks while my new char is training for that time ? I'm sorry but that's just stupid.. Name one other MMO that cripples one char while your playing another ? Does WOW stop one char from lvl'ing for 2 weeks because a second char just made lvl 2 or something ?
Darkness Dreadlord	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:04:00 - [4] And the times of training involved (that I wont start on) :) makes it pretty much useless even starting a 2nd char unless you have been playing for ages and you dont really need to train your 1st char more.. Though I bet the training never ends for the 1st one anyway.... Hell, maybe its just me ? maybe im the only one that thinks its very VERY stupid and wrecks what could be a great way to enjoy the game more.. Oh well.
Sandeep Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:04:00 - [5] Example use of multiple slots: Character 1 has very high Per/Wil - Combat spec - trains combat skills faster Character 2 has very high Int/Mem - Science spec - trains science skills faster Other uses include having additional lab slots and market orders.
Darkness Dreadlord	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Darkness Dreadlord on 26/10/2006 04:07:23 Originally by: Sandeep Example use of multiple slots: Character 1 has very high Per/Wil - Combat spec - trains combat skills faster Character 2 has very high Int/Mem - Science spec - trains science skills faster Other uses include having additional lab slots and market orders. Yea but it still takes twice as long training those chars with only 1 training at a time, and with the training times already long, I couldnt imagine doubling it :( yay 2 months to train both chars to a lvl 5 skill ? and one char at a time sitting there doing nothing and getting nowhere for the rest of the time..... oh what joy :)
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Caleb Paine on 26/10/2006 04:12:16 Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Caleb Paine If you play some other MMO, how many character can you level up at the same time on one account? That's just arguing symantec's and you know it :) Learning skills if a different type of thing, and with 2 different chars, that you cant play at the same time it makes no sense. So I cant train my main char for 2 weeks while my new char is training for that time ? I'm sorry but that's just stupid.. Name one other MMO that cripples one char while your playing another ? Does WOW stop one char from lvl'ing for 2 weeks because a second char just made lvl 2 or something ? You're quite wrong... WOW for instance (your own example) you can only play (and thus level) one character per account at any given time. If you play your hunter he will get XP and not your warrior, so that means you can do only one AND it will ALWAYS train the one you're playing. EVE is better, you can STILL only level one character per account at any given time (so in line with other games) BUT you can choose which one is training, it doesn't neccesarily have to be the one you're playing at that time. I don't see how using many words to turn that around with bad arguments changes the FACTS... -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Sandeep Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Darkness Dreadlord Yea but it still takes twice as long training those chars with only 1 training at a time, and with the training times already long, I couldnt imagine doubling it :( yay 2 months to train both chars to a lvl 5 skill ? and one char at a time sitting there doing nothing and getting nowhere for the rest of the time No. It does not take twice as long. If it takes a combat spec 42 days to train a trade skill and it takes a trader spec 27 days to train the same skill, you earn 15 days by using the trader char instead of the combat char. Of course, this is once you get past the learning skills, which are really short.
Strak Yogorn Amarr Mythical Ops The Scandinavian Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Strak Yogorn on 26/10/2006 04:19:36 and dont forget, you train while being OFFLINE, what other mmo allows you to do that ? .... edit: typo
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Mideget Pirate on 26/10/2006 04:33:10 I guess it comes down to your point of view :) Sure you cant lvl 2 chars in other games "at the same time" thats obvious, but whatever your doing to one char doesnt affect another char in any way shape or form in any other game. They are 2 different chars, so why does one affect another with learning? its pointless, and makes no sense.. its like if in WOW you get a great weapon, now your 2nd char cant ever find or have the same one cause a different char now has it. Maybe it doesnt bother you.. and thats great.. for you :) Originally by: Strak Yogorn Edited by: Strak Yogorn on 26/10/2006 04:19:36 and dont forget, you train while being OFFLINE, what other mmo allows you to do that ? .... edit: typo What other game takes a month to learn 1 skill ? :) As for the learning while your offline, I dont think it could be done any other way, imagine if it only trained while you were online.... so its not like thats a huge bonus to us. And its obvious why they do it, a lot of things in the game are geared towards keeping you online and paying for longer.. you cant argue that one, and hey, its how they make money so im not complaining, they game is worth paying for, but this one I think is pushing it a bit too far. But you know what they say about a-holes & opinions :)
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:33:00 - [11] Errr, I don't get it. How does affect one char on your EVE account the other? Other than the fact you can't level both at the same time? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Caleb Paine Errr, I don't get it. How does affect one char on your EVE account the other? Other than the fact you can't level both at the same time? Thats what im saying, what one char is doing SHOULDNT affect another char at all.. or whats the point of having more than 1 char at all ?
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Caleb Paine Errr, I don't get it. How does affect one char on your EVE account the other? Other than the fact you can't level both at the same time? Thats what im saying, what one char is doing SHOULDNT affect another char at all.. or whats the point of having more than 1 char at all ? It DOESN'T, apart from the fact that you can't level both at the same time. Which is the same for every other MMO, so what's the gripe about? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Mideget Pirate on 26/10/2006 04:42:26 Its just a new char is exactly that "NEW" and totally separate and in no way related to any other chars you have, they cant really help each other out, they cant mine at the same time, prob not even in the same region of space if you picked a different race. So why have a common limitation ? that's my main point I guess, they are completely SEPARATE.. yet still limited and related in the same way. What one is doing DRAMATICLY affects the other.. But its obvious im getting nowhere.. so I wont bother wasting any more time with further replies that are just repeating a simple idea.
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:45:00 - [15] Meh, your reasoning is along the lines of "Why don't we get 10 character slots?", "Why can't we be logged in on more than one character on the same account at once?" and "Why can't we start with all skills at lvl5?" --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:46:00 - [16] Why didn't I win the lottery twice, why didn't I get that ferrari for free.... that kind of reasoning? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Caleb Paine Why didn't I win the lottery twice, why didn't I get that ferrari for free.... that kind of reasoning? Yea keep those intelligent comments coming.. sigh.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Michayel Lyon Meh, your reasoning is along the lines of "Why don't we get 10 character slots?", "Why can't we be logged in on more than one character on the same account at once?" and "Why can't we start with all skills at lvl5?" Sigh, yea I really see it as the same, I want an equal learning system for different chars, and thats the same as wanting to start all skills at lvl 5.. Whatever
Jin Jemai Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Caleb Paine Why didn't I win the lottery twice, why didn't I get that ferrari for free.... that kind of reasoning? Yea keep those intelligent comments coming.. sigh. Why are you so surprised that people are commenting like that? They're giving you perfectly valid and logical explanations as to why you can only train one character per account, yet you're choosing to ignore it. ----- Lighten up a little bit. It's only the end of the world.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Jin Jemai Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Caleb Paine Why didn't I win the lottery twice, why didn't I get that ferrari for free.... that kind of reasoning? Yea keep those intelligent comments coming.. sigh. Why are you so surprised that people are commenting like that? They're giving you perfectly valid and logical explanations as to why you can only train one character per account, yet you're choosing to ignore it. Im choosing to "disagree" with it, not ignore it, and was trying to simply explain my reasoning, but of course I get jumped on. You guys think its ok to have what one char does limit a different char, then fine.. Its not like I expected the Eve guys to care and change it for me anyway :) Dont worry, I wont lose any sleep over a game :) just wanted to vent and I have.
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:30:00 - [21] You don't get jumped on, you keep disagreeing with facts and how things work for 99% of the games out there. That's like disagreeing with physics. At first I figured you misunderstood but when it became appearant that it was nothing more than a "I want things for free without acknowledging facts" kinda thing, in other words a whine... I replied to the whine. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:00:00 - [22] You can train your alt while training your main if they are on seperate accounts, like any other MMO. If they are on the same account then you can only train one at a time (train main, stop training, log out, log in alt, train alt, stop training, log out, etc...), like any other MMO. EVE gives you the bonus of training a char of your choice per account while not even being logged in. Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Jin Jemai Originally by: Mideget Pirate Originally by: Caleb Paine Why didn't I win the lottery twice, why didn't I get that ferrari for free.... that kind of reasoning? Yea keep those intelligent comments coming.. sigh. Why are you so surprised that people are commenting like that? They're giving you perfectly valid and logical explanations as to why you can only train one character per account, yet you're choosing to ignore it. Im choosing to "disagree" with it, not ignore it, and was trying to simply explain my reasoning, but of course I get jumped on. You guys think its ok to have what one char does limit a different char, then fine.. Its not like I expected the Eve guys to care and change it for me anyway :) Dont worry, I wont lose any sleep over a game :) just wanted to vent and I have. the point people are making (that you don't seem to be getting) is this - if you play WoW for 20 hours a week, you spend 15 on one and 5 on another, then you've levelled both, right? so, if you want to train up two chars in EVE on the same account, you train one for 15 hours and the other for 5, and then, you've levelled both. right? i understand your point of view very clearly as I used to think the same way - until i realised that it IS possible to train both during the same time period (the 20 hours from the example above) but you ARE able to play and train both in the same degree you can in WoW. The fact that perhaps in that time-frame neither character finishes the skill is neither here nor there - the very same principle applies to any other MMOG that's level based - you'll get both where they have to be, but they won't get there at the same time. thank you, and good night. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Seeker Ash Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:24:00 - [24] Why only three characters? Why does it take 10 hours to delete one? And why can I only train one at a time? I used to ask those questions, except only to myself. The answer is simple when you look at the bigger picture: To avoid exploitation. _________________ "Even space ships pilots get the blues."
Zeonos Amarr NOPHEX PRISIM Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:31:00 - [25] you can only train one at the time. if you take wow or guild wars. or any other game for that matter. try see if you can log in on two characters on same account, and play them both. if you could train all three. you could make hell of alot of money. by traing two chracters for selling all the time :) so do as everyone have pointed out. get a second account if you want two characters :) that whats all we others do. and for the we cant use three slots. well we can :) i have an alt hauler i greated in less then a day. so i wont lose my implants on my main.
Syz Fryz	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:12:00 - [26] Easy solution: Get two accounts
Hober Zarel Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:03:00 - [27] I did'nt read all the answers so sorry if it's been posted. To the OP: You can train any of you're characters at any time, but not simultaniously. However I think you have misunderstood the training a little bit. You can END training for any characters when you want. Lets say you start a 14 day skill on character 1. Then you want to play with character 2. This presents no problem. However if you then want to train something on character 2 you have to log in to the first character, STOP THE TRAINING, log in with character 2 and you can train as much you want. You do NOT have to wait 14 days for the skills to finish. If you stop training you KEEP all sp already earned. You can pick up from where you left of at any time. I abselutely love how skilling is done in EVE, and can only understand you're post if you did'nt know that you could stop a skill in mid-training without loosing ANY of the SP already earned.
Mideget Pirate	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:14:00 - [28] yay some normal non attack style replies :) Anyway, I know what you are all saying, you cant lvl 2 chars at once on any game, I know and fully understand this. What I dont understand and what I dont like, is the chars dont interfere with each other on any other game if you know what I mean, except Eve. I dont like how learning on one char will stop whatever your learning on the other. To me at least it makes no sense as they are totally different chars, its not cheating or anything like that in any way I can see. But it seems im in the minority so I'll quietly just go away :) Thanks for the replies guys.. (most of em at least) As for paying for 2 accounts just to train another char at the same time.. errr no thanks :)
Hober Zarel Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:20:00 - [29] Hope you don't mind asking a bit, since I want to understand what you think is wrong I'll give it a try. You're saying that the fact that you need to log into one account and stop training when you want to train another is the problem? I can see that this (in a way) is interfering with the other character. However I think the fact that you continue to train when you're offline outways that little annoyance by a long shot. Have I understood you correctly?
Nigh7F0x	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:25:00 - [30] First you need to drop the idea that the two characters interfer with each other because they don't. Your greatsword example above is inaccurate. You need to think of training as leveling in any other game. You can not log in more than one character on the same account and level them both. It would be the same as trying to log in a hunter and a wizard and party together to fight badgers in the forrest. It just can't be done. The two characters are limited by the same laws that limit two charactes in Eve from leveling/skill training at the same time. And someone already mentioned why CCP set it up this way and that was to prevent exploitation and constant selling of characters. It's a shame that you can't wrap your hands around this simple concept. BTW...CCP is out to make money and to try and keep people in Eve as long as possible, and they are succeeding. The average character age has increased from about 10mo to 14mo now.

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