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MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:53:00 - [1] yeah /flame on It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Tetani Iradani Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:01:00 - [2] I suppose the obvious question is... Why? In what way is making this change going to improve the game?
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Tetani Iradani I suppose the obvious question is... Why? In what way is making this change going to improve the game? how rats suppose to defend their space and assest without treating against players? be more roleplaying It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:07:00 - [4] Im all for making rats harder. Just not more hp so it takes 10 years to kill one.
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:08:00 - [5] As someone who's main form of income was for the better part of 2 years rat spawn chaining..... SIGNED!!! Its FAR to easy to make 100-200 mil an hour chaining rat spawns, the "special actions" that each of the factional rats do (Caldari use jammers for example) need to be increased so that chaining spawns is FAR harder.
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:11:00 - [6] And mission rats should use faction modules making them twice as hard as 0.0 rats. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:13:00 - [7] Linkage <- MUCH better And I'm a carebear, but still support that Oh, wait, I proposed that _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Tetani Iradani Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:15:00 - [8] Most ships who rat in 0.0 already have a defense high enough to tank the rats indefinately. Whether they be in an AF or something bigger. Using scramblers will simply make taking them down take longer. It wont be more difficult. Make them use more webs, target painters.. Perhaps even a boost to DPS and tracking. That'll make people work for their money.
D2O HeavyWater Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:16:00 - [9] Why not go the whole hog and put 0.0 rats in titans, motherships and carriers?? Seriously I say keep npc's as they are they provide an income to enable players pvp.
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:16:00 - [10] yeah and its too easy to kill dark blood/true sansha etc ones.. theres no real different in power of npc - it must be kind of boss so u could'nt kill it alone It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:22:00 - [11] Originally by: D2O HeavyWater Why not go the whole hog and put 0.0 rats in titans, motherships and carriers?? Seriously I say keep npc's as they are they provide an income to enable players pvp. and why not? as pvp screwed in kali - belt ***'ing must become more interesting It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by:** Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:26:00 - [12] Make NPC ships equivalent (almost) to player ships. Change bounties to about 1/100 of ship insurance payout. Enable spawns of all sizes of ships, including titans if must be. But good luck trying to destroy a NPC Avatar if it runs a capital armor repairer all the time. AND shoots at you with all weapons, webs you, NOSes you, jams you and launches drones at you. Or a Phoenix double-webbing, triple-target-painting you while in siege mode after it selects the best damage type after a few shots. Yeah, now that's a NPC spawn. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T Make NPC ships equivalent (almost) to player ships. Change bounties to about 1/100 of ship insurance payout. Enable spawns of all sizes of ships, including titans if must be. But good luck trying to destroy a NPC Avatar if it runs a capital armor repairer all the time. AND shoots at you with all weapons, webs you, NOSes you, jams you and launches drones at you. Or a Phoenix double-webbing, triple-target-painting you while in siege mode after it selects the best damage type after a few shots. Yeah, now that's a NPC spawn. THATS THE IRONY It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Tharim Minmatar Code-Blue	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Drilla And mission rats should use faction modules making them twice as hard as 0.0 rats. Heh. you havent done many missions have you? www.eve-files.com/media/0602/CCP_tharim.gif[/IMG] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Lars Erlkonig Caldari Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:29:00 - [15] Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:31:00 - [16] Originally by: MECTO THATS THE IRONY Well, not quite "ironic" if you consider just how stupid NPCs are. A handfull of Ravens with rage torps and one large shield transporter dominix for remote shield-boosting on whoever gets aggro first, and even the titan goes down eventually in say half hour. And ~500 mil worth of bounty, even split 5-10 ways, that's still a bleepload. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up. well why ur in corp, eh? u should ask for friends to come and save ur ass in like a hour It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
Lars Erlkonig Caldari Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:40:00 - [18] Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up. well why ur in corp, eh? u should ask for friends to come and save ur ass in like a hour Since I play during odd hours, I don't feel like waiting half an hour for someone to make ten jumps and fit a raven to help my sorry ass out of a BS scram situation. Though this encourages team play, a plus; it discuorages fun, big minus. I play because I can find enjoyment in participating in the game, not because I enjoy the tedium of waiting for NPC's to get bored and hauling others away from their own fun.
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up. well why ur in corp, eh? u should ask for friends to come and save ur ass in like a hour Since I play during odd hours, I don't feel like waiting half an hour for someone to make ten jumps and fit a raven to help my sorry ass out of a BS scram situation. Though this encourages team play, a plus; it discuorages fun, big minus. I play because I can find enjoyment in participating in the game, not because I enjoy the tedium of waiting for NPC's to get bored and hauling others away from their own fun. meh maybe npc then should scream for help of another spawns that theil overwhelms u while u can't kill them smtg like chance based [1-5%] It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it? Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up. well why ur in corp, eh? u should ask for friends to come and save ur ass in like a hour Since I play during odd hours, I don't feel like waiting half an hour for someone to make ten jumps and fit a raven to help my sorry ass out of a BS scram situation. Though this encourages team play, a plus; it discuorages fun, big minus. I play because I can find enjoyment in participating in the game, not because I enjoy the tedium of waiting for NPC's to get bored and hauling others away from their own fun. Your in a really big alliance and if you cant get one peson to help you if in some ****, mebey you should look for another corp. --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Tetani Iradani I suppose the obvious question is... Why? In what way is making this change going to improve the game? so he doesnt have to fit a warp scrambler when he goes hunting people in belts ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Karlemgne Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:24:00 - [22] Originally by: JoeT Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Having gone 0.0 ratting in a ferox before getting decent raven skills, I have to disagree with you on having all the BS's run scrams. My ferox could easily tank a triple BS spawn, but sometimes neither me nor the spawns had enough dps to break the tank on each other. So basically the NPC BS would scram me, we'd try attacking each other till realizing things were pointless--well I'd stop wasting ammo at least, and I'd be stuck in a belt until logging off/downtime because the NPC still had me scrammed. That sounds like tons of fun. Sign me up. well why ur in corp, eh? u should ask for friends to come and save ur ass in like a hour Since I play during odd hours, I don't feel like waiting half an hour for someone to make ten jumps and fit a raven to help my sorry ass out of a BS scram situation. Though this encourages team play, a plus; it discuorages fun, big minus. I play because I can find enjoyment in participating in the game, not because I enjoy the tedium of waiting for NPC's to get bored and hauling others away from their own fun. Your in a really big alliance and if you cant get one peson to help you if in some ****, mebey you should look for another corp. I'm not in a really big alliance, and I've had the same issues before. Were I out in 0.0, I'd be alone, and I'd be stuck in the belt indefinately, until downtime, or until someone comes along and pops me. Sounds like a BLAST for people in corps/alliances that don't own large swaths of 0.0 and have 100 friends at the ready to help. This would actually discourage people from going to 0.0 at all, not something, I think, that CCP wants. -K
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Drilla And mission rats should use faction modules making them twice as hard as 0.0 rats. Why would you want to make missions easier?
Yendri Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:56:00 - [24] don't be daft. they need that slot to fit the civillian sheild booster ready to be dropped...
Cmdr Sy Off Balance Sheet Entity	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:06:00 - [25] The state of PVE in EVE is pathetic, few advances made in the last two years, except in the form of relocation of all missions to deadspace, which is arguably several steps back into canned content territory. A dungeon just for me? YAY! Linky Linky And this is the problem. We have a stormtrooper effect of ineffectual NPCs dying in human wave attacks, noob-level NPCs with bounties as low as 3.5 - 17.5k ISK being commonplace in L3 missions, so much so that one single properly thought-out NPC stands out as an experience of greater note than that entire night of mission running. Considering mission and belt NPC bounties make up most of the ISK input into the EVE economy, and their killing is the main profession of the largest section of the community, it seems a bit strange that no attention has been given to NPCs on an individual basis, with the sole exception of base stats and combat orbital distance. It would be really nice if CCP were to look at NPC AI instead of copying and pasting more and more years-old templates into environments where the creative possibilities are limited to re-arranging the furniture and deciding on the colour of the particle cloud. I don't mean this to sound like a rant, I have been happily running missions for over two years, but as of last month, I'm done.
Cmdr Sy Off Balance Sheet Entity	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:10:00 - [26] Oh, and in case anyone thinks the post above is off-topic - believe me, belt NPCing currently offers even less of interest, except for the possibility of a bugged faction spawn which drops generic junk.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:11:00 - [27] Edited by: Galk on 26/10/2006 18:11:33 Originally by: Tharim Originally by: Drilla And mission rats should use faction modules making them twice as hard as 0.0 rats. Heh. you havent done many missions have you? Heh. What he means to say is battleship sized mission rats fit small and med stuff dont'ch know. Apprantly some dont even fit mods at all Ohh and yeah the op is just asking for a npc scramble so he can lock down npc'ers ______
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:32:00 - [28] I like the idea
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:41:00 - [29] What you really mean is make npcs scram in 00 so when you warp into system you can get them alot faster? -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus

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