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Ezekial Crow Gallente Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:18:00 - [1] Currently I am working to Recon ships, while looks at the cloaks, I was wondering if Recons are like Stealth bombers. Do they have some unseen bonus to targetting time? As I have seen friendly and hostile players with SB uncloak, launch/damp cloak, can you target faster than the Sensor Calibration time? Just wondering before I put a 50 mil mod on something thats paper thin.
Shin Jai	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:23:00 - [2] I wouldnt cloak, its absolutely neccesary you lock the opponent as soon as it decloaks from a jump in.
Deadeye Dave Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:28:00 - [3] If you want a Gallente Recon that can cloak, get an Arazu.
ZigZag Joe The Republican Guard	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:53:00 - [4] I would go cloak, if you are dealing with something you can't handle you can E-war em off(if need),cloak, and run. For instance: (elite) frigate. THe Lachesis I killed in my Ishkur responding to a call for help (ally died without doing noticeable damage as I came in ) had no time to cloak and warp out, I scrammed and droned him. Too close for E-war(damp). He died. (On a related note, damage ctrl is FTW. finished with 28.3% structure...) Cloak would have let him survive. << zigzag forever. >>
El Yatta Caldari Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:13:00 - [5] Originally by: ZigZag Joe Edited by: ZigZag Joe on 30/10/2006 00:56:16 Edited by: ZigZag Joe on 30/10/2006 00:55:49 I would go cloak, if you are dealing with something you can't handle you can E-war em off(if need),cloak, and run. For instance: (elite) frigate. The Lachesis I killed in my Ishkur responding to a call for help (ally died without doing noticeable damage as I came in ) had no time to cloak and warp out, I scrammed and droned him. Too close for E-war(damp). He died. (On a related note, damage ctrl is FTW. finished with 28.3% structure...) Cloak would have let him survive. And a note, most Recons, exempting the Amarrian ones, are paper thin. Best used as support ships, not solopwnmobiles....for instance, Falcon attacks my Ishkur(and later my rax) with unaggroed drones out, they force him to warp off in short order without doing major(read: more than 11/missile) damage. Completely disagree. Anyone who puts a cloak (massive recalibration time and scan res nerf) on a boat that HAS to lock first to be of any use (scrambling and damping, ffs) is a mentalist. Tbh it was quite probably a bad lachesis fit that you killed - most t2 frigates under 3 lachesis damps should have a pathetic targeting range, (sub 5k) and a good lachesis fit for solo/small gang should have a multi or two, which would sort of put the nail in your coffin. ---\|\|---
Ezekial Crow Gallente Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:11:00 - [6] Damps work if they target you, it just takes a second. I have been flying my Celestis alot more and using the crap cloak on it for a day or two. My only problem is the Sensor Calibration time, I was wondering if the Lach got a bonus like Stealth bombers with sensor calibration and cloak time
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:35:00 - [7] The Lach isn't the Gallente cloaking recon - it suffers the same penalties as any other ship when you put a cloak on it. The Arazu, however, is made for a covops cloak, which has a very small recalibration time (as well as other benefits). If you want to cloak, get the Arazu and use a covops cloak. The Lach is more of a fleet support cruiser. Omerta Syndicate Biotechnical Research
Ezekial Crow Gallente Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Ezekial Crow on 30/10/2006 05:40:11 Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi The Lach isn't the Gallente cloaking recon - it suffers the same penalties as any other ship when you put a cloak on it. The Arazu, however, is made for a covops cloak, which has a very small recalibration time (as well as other benefits). If you want to cloak, get the Arazu and use a covops cloak. The Lach is more of a fleet support cruiser. Jesus H Christ, I know the Diffirence between the Arazu and Lach. Question being Sensor Calibration, if it like a SB with the unseen bonus to locking time and cloak activation. Note - I just noticed my first question said Recon, I meant Combat Recon, not Force Recon.
Sir Bart	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Ezekial Crow Currently I am working to Recon ships, while looks at the cloaks, I was wondering if Recons are like Stealth bombers. Do they have some unseen bonus to targetting time? As I have seen friendly and hostile players with SB uncloak, launch/damp cloak, can you target faster than the Sensor Calibration time? Just wondering before I put a 50 mil mod on something thats paper thin. There's 2 cool things about the lachesis. 1, it's not very expensive and can 1 v 1 just about any ship in the game. Putting a cloak on the ship offers zero benifit for offence (since you uncloak and can't target for about 60 seconds) and it also increases the cost of the ship by a lot. If I killed a lachesis and noticed he had a cloak on board, I may go so far as to call him a ... gasp newb.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:34:00 - [10] Do you know that in item database both Arazu and Lachesis have same "stealth_bomber_sensor_recalibration_time 5" ? (or sth along those lines) Question is if it works. If it DOES work then using cloak on some setups might be pretty ok'ish idea.
Zakgram Apocalyptic Raiders Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 11:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Do you know that in item database both Arazu and Lachesis have same "stealth_bomber_sensor_recalibration_time 5" ? Where do you see that? I see: covertopsstealthbombercloakmoduledelay 5 This allows us to re-cloak after a few seconds of decloaking but gives no other bonuses. This makes a cloak for solo work useless since waiting 20 seconds or so after decloaking before you can do anything is... not good...
ZigZag Joe The Republican Guard	Posted - 2006.10.30 22:50:00 - [12] He had 3 damps(iirc) fitted, but I was at <2km during the fight. also, I imagine he was out of cap; he had a MWD on and only 2 CPRs in lows to sustain his cap.(and 2 nos of mine) He did try to damp me at one point in the fight, but stopped (probably due to cap). No multi, though... << zigzag forever. >>
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Ezekial Crow Currently I am working to Recon ships, while looks at the cloaks, I was wondering if Recons are like Stealth bombers. Do they have some unseen bonus to targetting time? As I have seen friendly and hostile players with SB uncloak, launch/damp cloak, can you target faster than the Sensor Calibration time? Just wondering before I put a 50 mil mod on something thats paper thin. Recons can not lock targets instantly, although force recons can lock them faster than Combat Recons, at least it seemed that way when I switched to Lachesis briefly after my Arazu had an unfortunate accident. Another thing you may want to consider, especially if youre used to stealth bombers... Combat recons (like the lachesis) do not get a bonus to speed while cloaked, so they will go as slow as most other ships do when cloaked. Force Recons with cov ops cloaks, on the other hand, move full speed when cloaked, and dont seem to suffer full recalibration time when uncloaking. If you have decent targeting skills, its entirely possible to sit in a force recon cloaked at a gate, and still be able to decloak, lock, and engage anything that youd be able to engage anyway. In other words, in my Arazu I can decloak and usually lock fast enough to catch anything but interceptors and shuttles, and I cant catch those even if im not cloaked when they jump in. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Ezekial Crow Jesus H Christ, I know the Diffirence between the Arazu and Lach. Question being Sensor Calibration, if it like a SB with the unseen bonus to locking time and cloak activation. Note - I just noticed my first question said Recon, I meant Combat Recon, not Force Recon. No, combat recons dont have any reduction to recalibration time, nor do they have a hidden bonus to offset the speed nerf of having a cloak fitted. If you put a cloak on a Lachesis, you will cruise at around 50 m/s when cloaked, and have normal recalibration time when uncloaking before you can lock targets. In other words, you will die. If you want to cloak, get an arazu. This signature space for rent

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