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Akachi Ak
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.18 12:18:00 -
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hello,
im leaving highsec to move to curse with my corp, and i was thinking maybe ill be able to finance my activity by doing belts and anoms.
The problem is i dont actually have t2 guns/ships exept for the small blasters/lasers/rails/light drones.
could i do some ratting with a blaster/rail destroyer to start up? could someone explain how to do that? and maybe link a vid if possible?
Any help will be greatly appreciated
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2405
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Posted - 2015.04.18 13:39:53 -
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Uhm ...
What you should do ...
... is running the tutorial missions.
Everything else will most likely be a waste of time and effort.
If you are that clueless as you seem to be ...
... then that's the best thing to begin with.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Akachi Ak
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:09:19 -
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wow thats cold !! i know ratting could be done with something as small as a frigate in nullsec... what i wanted help with is fits and ship ideas to be more efficient from people who know and want to help...
i ll be sure to ask you if i needed someone to tell me to do tutorial missions....this is EVE New Citizens Q&A forum... i might ask a question cause im new but nothing obliges you to give scathing answers like you just did |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
486
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:36:08 -
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Don't worry that guy is a real forum troll, 24/7. Just looks for new posts to scavenge, anywhere, at all times. Pretty sad.
How come you're not asking the corp you're moving with? They should help you out with this, if they're not I'd think twice about moving there with them.
Personally I would try a Vexor or Vexor Navy Issue and if you enjoy that move up to an Ishtar, or maybe a myrm. Train up your drones.
I disagree
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Akachi Ak
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:50:47 -
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ty i figured he was a troll, i asked because we re usually doing pvp in frigs and dessies so ratting was never a thing for any of us... your answers will go toward maybe making a pve doctrine for us ^^ |
Memphis Baas
308
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Posted - 2015.04.18 15:14:37 -
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Well, the strength of the belt rats depends on the true security rating of the system (truesec), which I don't really know if is show in-game or if you have to check dotlan maps for it.
In any case, rats appear as groups of 2-6, so you're looking at cruisers to battlecruisers to maybe battleships, with the worthy loot happening if they're officers. Wiki has an article on it with some details. I've never tried it with small ships, but I imagine as a group you'll need sufficient DPS to punch through NPC battleship defenses, and as far as your own defenses, use the speed and agility of the small ships you're flying to avoid getting hit.
There are exceptions, but typically the rats don't insta-engage, and also they don't always warp scramble, so your group could cherry-pick through the belts in the area and find the easier fights first. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1152
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Posted - 2015.04.18 15:22:49 -
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depending on your frigate skills a worm is pretty good at ratting since you can just zip around and let your drones do the work |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
112
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Posted - 2015.04.18 15:56:31 -
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An assault./Pirate frigate can handle the belts rats if fight and flown correctly, and some cherry picking in regards to which belt to hit. You won't make much ISK till you get cruiser level DPS (T3 dessy may be a good option here, or a Gnosis). Alternatively you cna belt rat in a Stealth Bomber frigate.
I would not bother with anoms, their bounty per ship is lower and more useful for large ships that can eat NPC Battleships for breakfast where availability of targets is greater than pay per target. (700+ DPS)
Once you fly a ratting ship (Any BS, heavy drone cruiser) you can begin to work on Anoms
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1045
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:06:59 -
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good thing you don't need t2 guns/ships to do ratting. When it comes to pve bigger is almost always better. sure it is possible to go to big too fast, but if you can fit a mostly t2 fit with t2 light drones then some meta 4 guns, heck even just a MJD, you are in pretty good shape for ratting.
I guess you could use a t2 fit frig/destroyer, but well, probably better income mining in highsec. Killing NPC bs with a frig is one of the most boring things I've done in eve. It is a bit interesting to see if it can be done, but then the reality quickly turns into orbit, f1, and take a nap while you chew threw the NPC.
or maybe just stay in the mining business, null ores and some industry things are getting changed soonGäó
@ChainsawPlankto
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Praxis Ginimic
Best Kept Frozen.
875
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:36:05 -
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There are some pretty serious small gang pvp'rs in curse. I would second the notion of AF's and pirate frigs. Stay small, go out in groups and pve in pvp fits.
Edit: make sure you can run the angel sound epic arc before you move out. The missions are easy as hell and it will give you a cynabal to play with. The minmatar data center missions will give you standings for the right corp. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
581
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Posted - 2015.04.18 23:13:55 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:There are some pretty serious small gang pvp'rs in curse. I would second the notion of AF's and pirate frigs. Stay small, go out in groups and pve in pvp fits.
I'm with you on PvEing with PvP fits, but if the guy hasn't trained T2 weapons I'd kind of suspect that AFs would be a bit out of his range at the moment.
As for actual advice on _how_ to mix some pvp fit into your PvE:
-- Fit some basic tank (e.g. an EANM or maybe an explosive resist rig on an armor boat) on anything bigger than a frigate, even if the PvE stuff you're hunting is going to be kited.
-- Tilt your resists at least partially toward Omni-tank, regardless of rat damage types (DCU is your friend)
-- Stick the necessary skills for at least T2 small guns (or missiles, or whatever) in your queue, you'll want them eventually even if you never touch a T2 hull.
-- If a cheaper module is 'good enough', initially go cheap until you've been flying the same design around for a week or two, then upgrade. Don't lead with your officer-fit nonsense.
-- Fit at least one of the following in case you're jumped and it turns into a spontaneous brawl:
1. EW modules
2. Tackle including a webber
3. Neuts/Nos
There's also something of a difference in flight style between vanilla PvE and null/lowsec looking-over-your-shoulder PvE
-- Build a filter that shows player ships, probes, and nothing else for use with D-scan
-- Know the distance and direction of the nearest celestials, gates, etc
-- If you're in a low-population system where it's usually just you and corp-mates, watch local. If you're in a system where non-hostile non-corpmates are hanging out regularly (e.g. you have an alliance active in the area), learn _not_ to watch local, and obsess over d-scan and actual space instead.
-- Spend enough time probing that you know how it works, and have some idea of how long you can see probes in your safe spot with a given ship before you need to move (hint: pretty much instantly). |
Red- Light
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.04.18 23:23:49 -
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i kinda prefer if you go straight for a naga/tornado/talos fit large ranged guns then warp at a distance then blap the npc.... hybrids hit on the lowest resist of serpentis so you cant go wrong there XD or i hope so at least
ill prefer if someone who tried that can confirm?
for anoms/complexes i dont think this ll work at all, these ships dont have enough tank ( again someone who knows better could confirm if its true)
Im really interested if this idea works |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
492
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Posted - 2015.04.19 00:48:03 -
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you can belt rat in smaller ships but I would aim for a cruiser. Like other's have said T2 cruiser or BS for anoms. belt ratting you don't want any hull bigger than cruiser size just due to all the warping belt to belt. BCs work ok but I think a HAC or a T3 cruiser is ideal for that.
You can make good isk belt ratting much better than mining. Not sure where your skills are but I'd aim for a cruiser that has good resists against the local rats and good damage against them as well. Then work on getting a halfway decent tank and then focus on dps as you dont' have to tank incoming dps from dead NPCs. Which ever way that you go probably want to stick with medium sized weapons ships until you have good support skills before moving into large ships. So what I am saying is go T2 or T3 cruiser or BCs and get a good baseline.
PvE is decent isk. Belt ratting even in a crappy ship should get you more isk than high sec mining and if you guys are going in a group you can run anoms in fleet, just make sure to focus everyone on the same NPC. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
492
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Posted - 2015.04.19 01:38:29 -
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My experience in null sec is with Sansha who use tracking disruption as their Ewar. I can't speak from experience with the serpentis if that is who you will be up against in curse. I'll try to help you theory craft here a bit but in the end the best thing that you can do is find your own answers. I don't just mean this to be a smart ass or skirt the question but it is honestly a good way to get some experience with combat and how the ships work. PvE can't fully prepare you for PvP but it certainly can get you familiar with: ships, modules, how to fit, how to pilot your ship, how to apply damage and how to avoid it.
It looks like Galente and Caldari both have some good options for you. Minmatar would probably do fine but I'd stick with the other two if all things are equal skill point wise. You will have to decide if you want to focus on guns, missiles or drones. If you want to go missiles and drones you could even stick with Amarr but you'd have to switch from drones in the Arbitrator with T1 hulls to missiles in the Sacrilege when you move up into HACs. Not the end of the world as you'll have to train them all eventually anyway and if you have Amarr skills now it might be a decent option for you.
Tanking and avoiding damage is something that you are just going to have to get used to. Exactly how to fit your ship depends on your playstyle and skill points but if you pick a race I could maybe work up some fits.
The way that I handle the TD with the sansha is by using drones as it's more targets to TD and if I keep aggro my drones can do good damage. This could work against the serpentis damps as well as your drones will still be able to do damage. To avoid damage you could either stay close with the Arby and use it's TD bonus to keep incoming damage down and maybe fit blasters as you'll have to stay close when damped anyway.
Sniping might be another good option especially if you go caldari, just stay out of damp range. If you do this you won't need so much tank so focus on mods that increase range, damage and mobility.
The final option of course is fitting sensor boosters to combat the damps.
In the end you'll have to let experience be your guide. You should note that when belt ratting you'll want to fit a scram as some spawns will warp off when they see you ass pounding their buddies. Especially faction spawns.
Most important thing is to play around with stuff as this is a game. Play, have fun and let experience show you the way. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2711
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:25:18 -
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Akachi Ak wrote:ty i figured he was a troll, i asked because we re usually doing pvp in frigs and dessies so ratting was never a thing for any of us... your answers will go toward maybe making a pve doctrine for us ^^ I'm not actually, he's just a bitter person.
Anyhow I apologise for misreading your post in hastiness.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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