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killertoaster Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.04 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote ok i got a friend trying to start up a service for corps and miners he sad one evening got this idea what if he just contracted ships whit its build cost and a 10mil production fee i have to say his skills is not great in manufaction but he tries hard to make it cheaper whit skill training but can it really be true that no people really want such service it have been run like a week now and was just wondering
Arjola Elongur Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.04 16:49:00 - [2] - Quote killertoaster wrote: ok i got a friend trying to start up a service for corps and miners he sad one evening got this idea what if he just contracted ships whit its build cost and a 10mil production fee i have to say his skills is not great in manufaction but he tries hard to make it cheaper whit skill training but can it really be true that no people really want such service it have been run like a week now and was just wondering Oh, I know this... It's the people, right? RIGHT?!
Halcyon Ingenium Warm Holes 40	Posted - 2011.12.04 16:49:00 - [3] - Quote Wow. Well, for starters, most businesses don't make profit their first year irl. So any business, real or internet spaceships, is not going to be a cash printing machine right away. Second, your trying to turn a profit on something any pilot can do himself with so little effort that paying for that effort to be taken away probably strikes most as foolish and wasteful. tl;dr Come up with a better idea that provides an actual useful service, and then actually put some time and effort into it. People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?" Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money. -Gene Simmons
grazer gin Raving Rednecks 22	Posted - 2011.12.04 16:50:00 - [4] - Quote That production fee is making it more expensive than buying it off the market or buying it in bulk from trusted corp/alliances.
killertoaster Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.04 16:56:00 - [5] - Quote i would'n say that 10mil and the material is a lot because we are talking about t3-bc all four races and they are like what 40mil or lower in material to build and fee of 10mil its around 50mil per ship and those on market ask for 64-70mil per ship so i really cant see why they wont buy from him and as his skills get higher in production his material cost will get lower to and so the need for material so maybe 5mil less for a ship thats like 20-30 mil per ship saved or am i just stupid at math
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 132	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:04:00 - [6] - Quote killertoaster wrote: i would'n say that 10mil and the material is a lot because we are talking about t3-bc all four races and they are like what 40mil or lower in material to build and fee of 10mil its around 50mil per ship and those on market ask for 64-70mil per ship so i really cant see why they wont buy from him and as his skills get higher in production his material cost will get lower to and so the need for material so maybe 5mil less for a ship thats like 20-30 mil per ship saved or am i just stupid at math ok...how about this: 1. build Battelcruisers for 40 mil each 2. put them on the market for a lower price than your competitors 3. ???? 4. profit! ...THEN WHO WAS PHOON?
Ioci Space Mermaids 1	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:09:00 - [7] - Quote grazer gin wrote: That production fee is making it more expensive than buying it off the market or buying it in bulk from trusted corp/alliances. This. Not a crit for the unavoidable but 8 years old, nerf bats have put everything in EVE so close to the wire, you need to be end game proficient either by way of outpost, standings or POS bonus to turn profit in EVE markets.
Maia Demoncast The Tuskers 0	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote Well there are many things that could be going wrong here. Is he advertising this service? If not, how will anyone know about this and go look to buy from him? If he is selling near Jita or another major trade hub, then 10 mil production fee might be a bit too much. A hurricane costs about 15 mil to make, and guess how much it is selling in jita? If he is selling his ship at your corporate station then that's different because he can provide convenience of not having to go to a trade hub to replace a ship. I would then suggest he also fully fit the ships to make it more appealing. When you can get both the ship, module and ammo without having to go to the trade hub, people are more likely to buy. Could be something more obvious and he just does not have the Production Efficiency, or good me research on his blueprint and that's inflating the costs too much.
Ioci Space Mermaids 1	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:11:00 - [9] - Quote Ioci wrote: grazer gin wrote: That production fee is making it more expensive than buying it off the market or buying it in bulk from trusted corp/alliances. This. Not a crit for the unavoidable but 8 years old, nerf bats have put everything in EVE so close to the wire, you need to be end game proficient either by way of outpost, standings or POS bonus to turn profit in EVE markets. - Add on: Most "big profit" is obtained in following trends and bubbles but even that requires capital and often 6 months to a year of planning and market observations.
killertoaster Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:17:00 - [10] - Quote its in a non jita and diodixi just to make it clear so no freighter hauler is that much in danger and that whit the material cost is just so he havent to go look for new materials all the time just pick blueprint make setup for contracts and so on and maybe he just have some evil plan to eleminate high cost t3-bc who knows
Pavel Bidermann whips chains and ballgags Care Factor 22	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote Well, there's a lot of careful planning and work to market pvp. First off, is he building ships or products the market is currently looking for? you have to check the volumes of items moved to determine this. Use EVE central market or other 3rd party web sites (miss EVE-Metrics a lot for this!) If he's buying materials it's going to be tough to make much profit. Since his skills are low he'll be paying much higher taxes and manufacturing fees too. He can also cut some of these fees by improving his standings with groups that own manufacturing stations. He has to see what the sell prices are locally but don't forget that other system's market hubs may be close enough to compete. He'll need to check those too. Beware of pricing that's been set up to undermine profits in the area. either hold off in that event or strategically price for when the sold-at-loss pricing runs out. You still have to be competative. There's A LOT more to this, but that's a really short idea of what to do. It's complicated and takes both skill and luck. With a good system, market pvp is very rewarding game-play.
killertoaster Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.04 17:38:00 - [12] - Quote i just hope it gets better for his service and thx for some great feedback and he is not naive enough or what we are calling it to hide in a player station the wars are out there so he is a highsec station carebear atm.
Pavel Bidermann whips chains and ballgags Care Factor 27	Posted - 2011.12.05 07:10:00 - [13] - Quote Industry is a tough road to get started in. The profits seem to crawl and everything seems to have a million steps and details. It's something you do because you like it. If he can get to it I recommend making thrashers and cormorants. Don't start making the modules. If anything, make ammo but check what's selling. The other 2 ships that are decent money makers would be drakes and hurricanes. Both good ships. Small ships have cheaper original blueprints (BPO) but the battlecruiser prints cost more. Buy bluprint copies of these in the available contracts section. Button for this is on the left side of the screen. Read them CAREFULLY! ALWAYS verify the price, nuber of ships the copy (BPC) will make and that it is the type of item you're looking to buy. People scam in contracts but it isn't hard to do well if you read them. Good Luck!
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2011.12.05 07:16:00 - [14] - Quote Arjola Elongur wrote: killertoaster wrote: ok i got a friend trying to start up a service for corps and miners he sad one evening got this idea what if he just contracted ships whit its build cost and a 10mil production fee i have to say his skills is not great in manufaction but he tries hard to make it cheaper whit skill training but can it really be true that no people really want such service it have been run like a week now and was just wondering Oh, I know this... It's the people, right? RIGHT?! You jest, but thats the truth of it. Whole world would be better without them. But who would make such distinction ?
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 363	Posted - 2011.12.05 07:24:00 - [15] - Quote The problem with EVE???? I... ... was NOT... ............ THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Kesshisan 68	Posted - 2011.12.05 07:33:00 - [16] - Quote killertoaster wrote: i would'n say that 10mil and the material is a lot because we are talking about t3-bc all four races and they are like what 40mil or lower in material to build and fee of 10mil its around 50mil per ship and those on market ask for 64-70mil per ship so i really cant see why they wont buy from him and as his skills get higher in production his material cost will get lower to and so the need for material so maybe 5mil less for a ship thats like 20-30 mil per ship saved or am i just stupid at math killertoaster, lets recap. You: "I have a 'friend' who can't sell his industry stuff." People: "He's changing too much." You: "I don't think so, because X Y and Z." Did you just claim that stuff that is not being sold is the appropriate price when it is not selling? If "your friend" is unable to: A) do research to make sure he can make a profit B) learn from mistakes C) adapt to the dynamic market of EvE Then he should most definitely not do anything involving industry and marketing. If "your friend" can accomplish all 3 of the above, then he should be just fine. .

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