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KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.04.20 14:44:57 - [1] - Quote Greetings! I am looking for extra funds to increase my trading. Loan: 1B Rate: 12% Collateral: Not much, I would give my Drake Navy Issue BPC & Caracal Navy Issue BPC as that is all I really have and can afford to leave my hands. A little about me I have recently started trying my hand at trading which with my funds is pretty slow profit, but I am enjoying it and would like to increase the size of the market I can play with. Currently I do only small time station trading in Dodixie but the loan would allow me to create many more buy orders and will be the start of me doing regional trading in the FW area. Terms I would pay 12% interest for the 30 day period. Risks Killing my hauler, it's a possibility but I don't see it happening. I will get all my bought stuff hauled over with Red Frog over to the highsec station next to a popular lowsec FW area. And do the one jump in a cloaky hauler with an alt watching the gate. No profit: If this ends up making no profit, you keep the BPC's and I will pay off the rest from my personal wallet, I guess I could buy a plex if I really need to and somehow I lose all of it completely. Any questions?
Lord LazyGhost Profit to burn 475	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:26:37 - [2] - Quote well as ur colat is valued at about 200m ish... not sure if i see this happening 1bil loan with nowhere near enough colat
Cista2 Phoibe Enterprises 81	Posted - 2015.04.20 21:34:41 - [3] - Quote KUMAR OK wrote: recently started trying my hand at trading Key word right there is "recently". Your post gives the impression that you have just gotten this idea that you want to be a trader now, and hey would it not be great if someone would give you 1 bn isk because, well that would be more than what you have now. You need to install confidence in your future investors that you know what you are doing. Report how much you have traded for and for how long, and how much profit you have made. Since your presentation so far has not been convincing, I recommend offering some api information that proves that you are indeed a trader and handling whatever bulk that it is you are going to claim. 12% is a good rate for you.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:53:45 - [4] - Quote Thanks for your honesty guys, I thought the rate was pretty good and would explain the collateral a little bit. The reason I guess I don't sound very convincing is because I don't lie I am quite new to trading. My limited ISK is tied up in buy and sell orders station trading. While I like finding products to buy/sell, I don't love the 0.1 isk war that goes on. I want to go into the market of FW, because a lot of ships explode right there, and pilots will buy odd modules they haven't mass ordered in at a good price. I know which area to go to, I know what to sell there. I feel like there will be less of a 0.1 isk war there, and easier to make straight out profit (although with more effort) and corner a market than a highsec tradehub. Basically I will keep doing slow station trading in Dodixie and see if I can improve there, but I feel that isn't exactly relevant to this loan as it's a different type of trading. This full investment will go into setting myself up right in the middle of FW which is going to be lucrative enough for me to be asking for this loan, otherwise I simply wouldn't be confident earning enough to pay it back within a certain time period. If anyone wants to know deeper info don't hesitate to send me a mail.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:36:27 - [5] - Quote So been a little bit and I am still trading! Much more successfully now I have to say. I still want to open a little market in FW as my next goal so I am bumping this, without touching my trading fund. This has been my last week trading results as I reached 1b! http://i.imgur.com/IgsSFEW.png I did remove the BPC part collateral.
JohnathanGalt Northern Sky Industries 63	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:14:14 - [6] - Quote Kumar, I am interested in partially funding your load request. I would be willing to put up 500m isk, if you are willing to start using www.eve-mogul.com to keep track of your profits and share the weekly report on this forum. This is what it produces: https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/weekly/78/j7FmGFmU8WosLwtzCVF4Rtdrctl5Xreh Let me know what you think. Maybe someone else will step up to fill the rest of the loan.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:46:33 - [7] - Quote Thanks for the interest Jonathan. I've looked at eve-mogul before but not liking the monthly subscription attachment I have to be honest. I like jEveAssets as long as it's cleanly managed but I do see the benefits of the reports. I guess if it was to be included in the actual loan for the month I wouldn't mind using it for the duration of the loan.
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 0	Posted - 2015.05.08 21:10:10 - [8] - Quote JohnathanGalt wrote: Kumar, I am interested in partially funding your load request. I would be willing to put up 500m isk, if you are willing to start using www.eve-mogul.com to keep track of your profits and share the weekly report on this forum. This is what it produces: https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/weekly/78/j7FmGFmU8WosLwtzCVF4Rtdrctl5Xreh Let me know what you think. Maybe someone else will step up to fill the rest of the loan. I will happily add the 500M. KUMAR OK wrote: Thanks for the interest Jonathan. I've looked at eve-mogul before but not liking the monthly subscription attachment I have to be honest. I like jEveAssets as long as it's cleanly managed but I do see the benefits of the reports. I guess if it was to be included in the actual loan for the month I wouldn't mind using it for the duration of the loan. Register and get an Elite subscription and I will pay for your months sub. (You will need to provide a link to your report to prove it).
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:49:56 - [9] - Quote Pator thank you very much, on those conditions I would be happy to go into business with yourself and Jonathan. I will send both of you an EVE mail to confirm, then I will sort out the start date for the loan, set up eve-mogul and think about any other details before I receive any ISK as I want to do this properly.
Triturus Alpestris Bad Taste. 10	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:11:10 - [10] - Quote @Pator Aumer So you will pay 150M to make 60M AND possibly get scammed for another 500M.
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 0	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:37:14 - [11] - Quote Triturus Alpestris wrote: @Pator Aumer So you will pay 150M to make 60M AND possibly get scammed for another 500M. All about giving people a chance
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.10 14:03:43 - [12] - Quote Just an update as I haven't heard anything from Jonathan yet, if he doesn't reply by the 16th I will have to look for a different investor.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 356	Posted - 2015.05.10 15:07:18 - [13] - Quote Pator Aumer wrote: Triturus Alpestris wrote: @Pator Aumer So you will pay 150M to make 60M AND possibly get scammed for another 500M. All about giving people a chance ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 3	Posted - 2015.05.10 17:39:08 - [14] - Quote KUMAR OK wrote: Just an update as I haven't heard anything from Jonathan yet, if he doesn't reply by the 16th I will have to look for a different investor. I will honor the full 1B if he doesn't reply.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:18:46 - [15] - Quote Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May.
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 5	Posted - 2015.05.20 18:18:45 - [16] - Quote KUMAR OK wrote: Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May. Loan amount has been sent 1B. 150M to cover the evemogul membership has been provided as a gift.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.20 19:44:11 - [17] - Quote Full loan of 1 Billion ISK has been received. Pay back date 20/06/2015 of 120 Million ISK interest including full loan amount of 1 Billion ISK. May be extended on loaner confirmation. Eve-Mogul subscription has been paid: http://i.imgur.com/HFOquts.png Will link report to Pator when active, and maybe public on this forum. Thanks again Pator, to profitable times ahead for both of us!
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 415	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:37:44 - [18] - Quote New Eden is not without Good people. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research 587	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:45:57 - [19] - Quote Pator Aumer wrote: KUMAR OK wrote: Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May. Loan amount has been sent 1B. 150M to cover the evemogul membership has been provided as a gift. I would also like a loan where you gift me more ISK than the interest I said I will pay . .
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 415	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:51:22 - [20] - Quote Elizabeth Norn wrote: Pator Aumer wrote: KUMAR OK wrote: Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May. Loan amount has been sent 1B. 150M to cover the evemogul membership has been provided as a gift. I would also like a loan where you gift me more ISK than the interest I said I will pay . The debtor can now, in good faith, forfeit the interest payment, as the creditor is not look to make money at all. Next on the line would to return, or not to return the principal amount. Though repaying the loan back in full, along with interest, opens up the door for Would like give pledge uncollateralised 40b. One then has to decide at which point - 20, 40, 80bn - one should abscond with the space monies. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:48:40 - [21] - Quote Elizabeth Norn wrote: Pator Aumer wrote: KUMAR OK wrote: Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May. Loan amount has been sent 1B. 150M to cover the evemogul membership has been provided as a gift. I would also like a loan where you gift me more ISK than the interest I said I will pay . To be completely honest. While I do appreciate it (and I have to say I like mogul and its profit reports) I don't 100% understand why Pator was so adamant on getting that paid on good will, and I offered to look at different solutions. This has added a new goal to my loan though, to make sure I make Pator proud (eyes on my statistics now ) and make it profitable for him as well. Whether that means extending the loan or in some other way, I'm not sure yet. GankYou that definitely was an interesting read, but I'm now looking to be a trillionaire, not a billionaire . Just as an update, Pator has been linked the report and the loan has officially started. Looks like my profit on my first day could be up to a 100% increase as to normal, scaling up is a fun experience. Will keep this up to date now and then.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.27 21:12:01 - [22] - Quote First week for investment will soon be over. Was a good learning experience for me! Earned between 1b and 1.1b in the last 7 days in over 1000 transactions, so has been very successful for me. Here is a screenshot of my jEveassets tracker: http://i.imgur.com/l9ohT87.png You can see just before/after I received investment to see how what impact that had on me. We'll see how the next 3 weeks go, I hope just as if not more profitable!
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 438	Posted - 2015.05.28 00:07:53 - [23] - Quote The 300 million 1 Tritanium valuations are indeed great. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 5	Posted - 2015.05.28 07:22:50 - [24] - Quote Looking good!. Keep up the good work, do you choose items based on their movement volume & margin?.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.28 11:24:38 - [25] - Quote GankYou wrote: Custom edit valuations are indeed great. I'll send you a link to my Eve-Mogul which will show the same when downtime is over, but I have indeed edited and removed some values in the jEveAssets as they unfortunately show incorrectly sometimes after updating, not sure why that happens yet but others in scc-lounge seem to have similar issues, I like to keep my tracker correct as per my actual sell/buy orders assets and wallet away from hoping it pulls correctly. Pator Aumer wrote: Looking good!. Keep up the good work, do you choose items based on their movement volume & margin?. Thanks! Choosing items is difficult, I would like to say yes, but reality is just about every detail in regards to an item helps in the choice of trading in it yes or no for me personally. It's not like I have some calculation on movement and margin to see if it's worth it for me, the largest profits this week have come in from strange opportunities. Just as an example for the above strange opportunity, but I have had similar experienced with other items is the meta 4 web. I had quite a few of those bought up and the prices were going up, up to a total of of 5,9m per 1 meta 4 web. It looked like someone had bought them all up and started relisting (I hadn't seen this before and it was funny to see the effect) them. I made quite a fair bit of money on this, however I was very surprised just how quickly prices went back to normal. I actually can't see how the person who did this made more money than myself, and isn't stuck with a bunch of meta 4 webs bought from sell orders. Either way I've realised more that Dodixie is a little bit strange sometimes, and I have actually increased my station trading and this is where most profits are still coming from, Dodixie being strange seems to play in my favour, but overall I think diversifying is most effective. I am trading in just about everything from cheap items high volume high margins (yes they exist) to expensive items low volume with low margins, just keep transactions going and profits coming in.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.29 05:13:27 - [26] - Quote The jEveAssets tracks everything perfectly, you just have to input values for commodities like Faction/Pirate BPCs yourself. Values that you bought them for, and preferably, the going price if it changes. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.29 10:27:18 - [27] - Quote Unfortunately not always, same for me as several others I have spoken to it is not always correct. I'll be updating and it's missing 300m from buy orders for example. At first I thought it wasn't able to see 'newer' items, but it is and I haven't been able to figure out exactly what it is. Updating more than once per day seems to be a way to go around the odd wrong update. But I haven't been too worried about it since having Eve-Mogul. Also I don't trade in BPC's.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.29 11:12:07 - [28] - Quote To include Buy orders, you have to tick 'Include market buy orders' in Settings under Tool/Assets. However, I did have several BPCs not appear at all in the Assets until after a second update. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.05.29 11:34:34 - [29] - Quote Thanks I have done that, but I don't think it's related. Sometimes it shows correctly, other times it doesn't. Another user I've spoken to who says has the same issue seems to think it is because it misses/drops or cuts off the data incomplete while updating. I just done an update and everything was correct however.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.29 11:44:49 - [30] - Quote Just discovered: BPOs in containers are not recognised as such and are valued at 0. Curious. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.04 13:25:39 - [31] - Quote Second week for investment is over. Earned just under 600m in the last 7 days, quite a bit less than last week but it was a very busy week for me with a few days of no trading. Here is a screenshot of my jEveassets tracker: http://i.imgur.com/3eoMG7d.png A total of 105 items traded in since the investment, and just over 500 transactions this week. A total profit of 1.6-1.7b so far. I will be happy to reach 3B profit for the full investment.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.20 15:46:55 - [32] - Quote So, the loan is finally over. Apologies for no update over the last two weeks, it's been an extremely busy time for me. I have learned a LOT over the time of this loan, considering I was(and still am) pretty new to trading. 1 Billion has been repaid as for the original loan 120 Million has been paid as interest on the original loan 150 Million has been paid as a gesture of good will, which was to pay back for the eve-mogul subscription. First of all, it was a great success. I didn't know I could make the profits I did, and 0.01 isking really does work. Second of all, other people suck, many of my great profitable items to trade in simply vanished into the abyss. Meaning people absolutely destroy profits, something I didn't care for at first and I was similar, just put your items on the market to sell, not to make the most amount of profit. These people hurt. Finding new items to trade in is crucial, and items that were previously not worth trading, might now be worth trading. On average I have been trading in around 100 different items. I now have a small fortune to play with, and came out just under my goal of 3B for the month. I don't want to extend the loan, as I actually had the cash to repay the above for the past week sitting and doing nothing. I have to realign on everything, find different methods and scale up. Right now extending the loan wouldn't benefit me. If anyone who reads this, and wants to go from 100m to billions, don't hesitate to get in contact I wouldn't mind a little trading channel. I can give info and help, but you won't get my items . Also a quick shout out to Pator, who trusted in me, did the full loan on very limited information and gave me extra ontop of the loan to introduce me to Eve-Mogul. I loved certain functions of eve-mogul, but I won't continue using it. Thanks again Pator!
Cista2 Phoibe Enterprises 105	Posted - 2015.06.20 16:56:21 - [33] - Quote Grats, and nice to see a succes on this board :) KUMAR OK wrote: These people hurt. Hate to point it out, but that is in fact why we do it. It is a competition, not a dinner party :) Slow traders act to make it unprofitable for the daytraders. My channel: "Signatures" - Recommended: "The Biomass Bar" (for corpse selling)
Pator Aumer Vast Industries Inc 5	Posted - 2015.06.21 08:18:07 - [34] - Quote Confirming all ISK receieved. 1B, 120M and 150M. KUMAR OK has kept me up to date during the loan duration with regular updates. Good luck with your future plans.
KUMAR OK Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.23 16:33:12 - [35] - Quote Cista2 wrote: ] Hate to point it out, but that is in fact why we do it. It is a competition, not a dinner party :) Slow traders act to make it unprofitable for the daytraders. We usually make more profit that way (not that every slowtrader is succesful all the time lol). I didn't think these people were traders, that puts it into a little bit of a different perspective. Thanks for confirming Pator, was a pleasure doing business with you.
Lan Wang V I R I I Triumvirate. 834	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:46:50 - [36] - Quote this thread makes me smile EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Jeronica Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 385	Posted - 2015.06.24 02:40:56 - [37] - Quote GankYou wrote: Elizabeth Norn wrote: Pator Aumer wrote: KUMAR OK wrote: Jonathan has unfortunately not replied, but it seems Pator kindly will be covering the full loan. I have sent confirmation, and am ready for the loan to start from 20th of May. Loan amount has been sent 1B. 150M to cover the evemogul membership has been provided as a gift. I would also like a loan where you gift me more ISK than the interest I said I will pay . The debtor can now, in good faith, forfeit the interest payment, as the creditor is not look to make money at all. Next on the line would to return, or not to return the principal amount. Though repaying the loan back in full, along with interest, opens up the door for Would like give pledge uncollateralised 40b. One then has to decide at which point - 20, 40, 80bn - one should abscond with the space monies. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202157 Classic scenario. I'll pledge to that EVE-Mogul: https://www.eve-mogul.com CEO/Programmer Trade Profit Tracking Service

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