Might not be the best idea ever

However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident.

With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system.

You can't do this with caps

Uhm. If the money you get of escalations is not enough, then your group is clearly too big and should split up ...

On-topic: An automatic despawn timer of 1-2 weeks for be much more reasonable. There is actually supposed to be such a mechanism (2 weeks, I believe), at least that's what CCP claims. Doesn't appear to be working though.

good for who though?

We get on in the evening only to find no money for us to buy ships to give other wormholers content.

You can't do this with caps

Let me try:

WITH FORCE YOU TO FARM IN YOUR STATIC/STATICS AND NOT IN YOUR HOME SYSTEM.

I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean though.

According to reputable sources, the despawn is currently set to one week if the site isn't activated otherwise.

if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while

if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while

how will this help at all when people despawn those sites as well? Full clears mean you get 1 round of isk and the remaining waves give very little compared to escalation waves.

Plus you're assuming we have capital alts and shizniz, we're a small corp with limited time during working days.



And if I get to spend 2 hours making ISK during a weekday, 300m is half a T3.

[quote=MooMooDachshundCow]If you don't have time to do anything but home sites, you should maybe reconsider your choice of neighborhood. Many wormholes have bad "weather" in that they don't respawn sites very quickly in that constellation. You may want to look into some more detailed information about this phenomenon and perhaps change your location to somewhere the anoms respawn faster.

or

you could move to HS where the activity is more catered towards people with limited time.

or

learn to run static sites efficiently. C3 sites are very easy to solo and can make plenty good enough money to pay for pvp ships. Assuming that you have a few extra hours per week for bearing and that you don't lose your ships too terribly often, this should be possible. If you can be bothered to scan a bit, the money can be tremendous (solo C5 relics for example).

or

work an extra hour IRL and buy plex.

IDGAF which option you choose, but there are plenty of answers to this problem. If you can't make fast money in the WH then you need to learn to utilize the resources that surround you.

P.S. If nothing else, just go on evebet and put it all on black, works every time!

Like Reggie Miller and puns, you may not understand how an expo works, maybe? You go away for a week and bear chain some c5s and set yourself isk wise for a few months.

being a primarily a PvP focused corp who wants to start brawling with the big boys

idk i think you jumped to conclusions too fast. despawning sites --> no content? i just dont agree.

there are just so many ways to get the isk you need, relying on home sites are a thing of the past. most relevant corps have jew holes now. which is a big step in chaining wormhole meta. FFS nulsec super pilots have their own jew holes! thats just one example tho.

ur in low class, why cant you use one of their jew holes?

Besides, you just might have pissed somebody off enough to make sure to keep spawning your sites daily. Maybe the old residents of that c6? I have seen that before.

From my experience with WHs, running home sites actually has the slowest return on ISK when you have a limited amount of time for jewing. Where as encouraging people to go out and farm the static/do other jewing type activities in surrounding holes not only increases the amount of ISK the average person in the corp gets, but it also gets more people out of the hole to look for PVP and scanning down the chain.

If you missed the peak for server banks, I'm sorry for you, but seriously, spread the f out and ninja sites. It's good money, as long as you can be bothered to actually scan lol.

1.3b for one site, yeh? now look at worst case of 10 people, that's 130m/person/site (you're doing it wrong if you're doing it with 10 people and not doing other sites on the side FYI), 6-8 sites/night turns out to 780m-1b a night. So at least one T3 if not two in one night. Now you're doing this for 4 nights. If you're blowing through 4b in a month you might just need a better FC.

again, look at all these solutions, but you reject them yeesh. If you want to farm a lot, aka if 4b+/mo can't sustain you, then move holes or get a separate jew hole. Easy as that .

Solution to your problem is out there, just stop being such a babby about it.

It's not just a problem I'm facing with my corp. From the posts here it seems activating people's sites is common practice. I can't say I haven't done it before (usually in empty systems where the constellation is the same as our home) but as I said it's not healthy for the whole community.

I don't know what kind of experience you have but I haven't found a way to make 500m in one hour in any part of w-space. It's not about space honour or anything like that, In my opinion you're only hurting yourself in terms of content if you wreck someone's income for what could be up to a week.

Also let's think about it like this: risk vs reward. Risk of popping someone's sites in a covops? Literally none. Reward? Technically could shut down any kind of home site running for up to a week, more if spawns are bad. People in that corp stop logging on or stop taking fights they usually would because they can't afford to lose more shinier stuff, you get less fights and of worse quality.

PL moving to wormhole space now? Cool

So to summarize:

- you want to do escalate sites to your heart's content. There should always be 10 sites in your hole, so you can mad isk whenever you feel like it.
- 150isk/h is not enough, you want dank 500isk/h

Feel entitled much? If I was you, I would apologize and shut up before someone starts looking for your hole. Maybe too late though

PS: This the system that you live in?

We want to escalate when we have the people together in the limited time working people have.

500m/h is not unreasonable considering the resources we are fielding to make this ISK.

Sure 150m/h is fine if you're just trotting around in ishtars in a C3, but again Risk should mean reward.

It's absolutely nothing to do with feeling entitled.

[quote=Kashadin]but seriously, spread the f out and ninja sites. It's good money, as long as you can be bothered to actually scan lol.

That's assuming we have 2 sets of those ships :)

Like I understand what you're saying but you're making up some hypothetical dream situation that doesn't exist.

We always have multiple scanners online, however as you pointed out, the server bank boom has died and making money outside of escalating home sites is rather pitiful. I understand you technically can make more outside the home hole but again it takes far more TIME.

we've already established that ninjaing data sites is NOT good money anymore. Doesn't matter how much you scan, the best money will be at home (unless this happens)

again, it is NOT common practice for people to activate other wh's sites. SOME do it, but the VAAAAAAAAAAAAST majority gives 0 *****.

...want to have a closed island to farm sleepers in.

Pretty much this.

Think this will be better than cloaky camping a null system B)

This, in my opinion, is really BM.

However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident.

So I propose this: combat anoms have a 24 hour lifetime regardless of someone activating them or not.

Might not be the best idea ever but maybe we as a community can come up with something better.

We want to escalate when we have the people together in the limited time working people have.

Ok, so you propose anoms that last one day, meaning you always need to run them down - yet you complain about other giving you a 4-day timer to run your anoms which you so urgently need to fund your pvp but you can only run them 2 days a week?

Not the best idea ever is an understatement..

read the op, my thoughts:

http://i.imgur.com/9X7ZnkW.jpg

Yeah, some dev posted this info on the forums a couple of months ago. Still pretty sure, it's not working as intended.

This, in my opinion, is really BM.

However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident.

So I propose this: combat anoms have a 24 hour lifetime regardless of someone activating them or not.

Might not be the best idea ever but maybe we as a community can come up with something better.