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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:50:00 -
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I'm impatient to wait for the Tribune's week 5 report, so what's the low down. The kill boards seem quiet, though I hear ASCN may have lost 2 stations in period basis recently, can anyone give details either way?
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Gibmundur
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:53:00 -
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G== spurning litli.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:56:00 -
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boring. once a war goes beyond a month, i just don't see the point of caring, use the map to find out who own what station, and the kb to see who is killing more. other than that, wait for eve tribune or something, because no one here will give you the true face of the story, especially if mcgreedy goes on a posting rampage.
Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:04:00 -
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ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
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Recluse Viramor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:12:00 -
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period basis, paragon soul, all the same right
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse Viramor period basis, paragon soul, all the same right
Yeah, last I heard Band of Brothers was flying through Syndicate to get to ASCN space. Wait, I mean Stain. Same thing right?
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |

Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
I'm sure it was a mistake, no need to get your panties all tied up in a knot.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Dianabolic ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
I'm sure it was a mistake, no need to get your panties all tied up in a knot.
i guess you don't know dian.
Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
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BoinKlasik
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Dianabolic ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
I'm sure it was a mistake, no need to get your panties all tied up in a knot.
i guess you don't know dian.
thong?
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Unleashed
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:49:00 -
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sounds more like atomic wedgie ___
>currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:50:00 -
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Yes, it's good to see that classy people do exist in BoB that they'd post on a forum for no other reason than to belittle an ally of theirs because of a verbal slip.
And here I thought I was on the side that wasn't *****s.
Yes you are right, all corps have some I guess... ... ...
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ImMeGaLoN
Caldari Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:13:00 -
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Its ok Drake, but as a punishment now you have to take an ASCN station on your own to learn the region names. 
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:22:00 -
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I'm all for that, the rest of us obviously are going to fail at it.
Anyway, nothing shocking happening atm, another cyvok blog but one that's relatively uneventfull nor very surprising. At least he's learned something from the flak he took for the more delusional content in his earlier work.
We'll probably have more to talk about after the weekend.
Old blog |

Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:23:00 -
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That's it??? You mean all I have to do to make up for my mental slip is to 'show up' in ASCN space by myself???
jeesh...my corp is too easy on me... ...
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RogueWing
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:24:00 -
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The station in Fountain is still under Celes/ASCN control.
ASCN lost 2 stations in Paragon Souls. ASCN has regained control of 1 of the station (unless it got station ping-ponged today while I was at work). The other station is in GQ2 which is still seeing much heavy action with both sides setting up for a long drawn out POS war.
Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost" |

Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:26:00 -
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... as a general rule.. if news hasn't made its way onto the EVE-O forums its because there isnt a whole lot going on.
When some news does happen e.g. AXE lose 9? dreads, ISS go through some big culling... etc.. etc.. the news will be on the EVE-O forums in the blink of an eye.
Somebody always leaks or posts the juicy stuff... on that you can always count.
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Modain That's it??? You mean all I have to do to make up for my mental slip is to 'show up' in ASCN space by myself???
jeesh...my corp is too easy on me... ...
you could perhaps maybe, oh i dunno, edit your post. 
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Modain That's it??? You mean all I have to do to make up for my mental slip is to 'show up' in ASCN space by myself???
jeesh...my corp is too easy on me... ...
Shut up and go mine him some more Strontium alredy! 
P.S.: Sry dian, too funny lol
- Gob
Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:37:00 -
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Why should I edit my post? As if you fools are somehow immune to mis-typing something in your lives? Oh Noohhhz I typed the wrong system. Let's all log into the forum and say the absolutely dumbest thing I've heard in a good month or 2 on these forums 'that wsa the biggest self ownage' some sort of 10 year old comment like that horray horray that'll show'em.
nawww...I think I'll just leave it there and let the jerks show their true colors
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:10:00 -
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Yes, for a moment I forgot that these forums aren't for informational inquiries and to heaven forbid get a quick bit of info from both perspectives here but instead are only for propoganda.
So if I understand correctly:
1: I shouldn't be posting on the forum asking basic general questions that a huge majority of Eve tends to ask here.
2: I shouldn't imply someone was being a jerk to me or stick up for myself in any way because now I'll be kicked out of my corp because said person who did this is a leader. (Maybe you ought to go read what he wrote)
3: By all means kick me out. If being a dedicated member of COIN who helps contribute in any way he can to help (you) and is guilty of nothing more than **** mis-typing a system name and getting ***-reemed for it is justification for getting me removed, then by all means, go to town.
4: Now comes the part where I get reprimanded even further for responding to your ipmlication I'm about to be booted from COIN even though you posted it on here essentially instigating this response.
Wow..aren't I in a win-win situation.
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet Back away from the forums now and mute yourself please
I thought BoB don't censor their members...
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Kw4h
Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus Celes helped ASCN take a Xelas station.
BoB took 2 Stations from ASCN.
ASCN retake H8-
ASCN have deployed loads of carriers and a Mothership in GQ2.
ASCN die in battle BoB die in battle
Pretty much a summary.
I took the liberty to un-bias that quote of yours.
I either had the choice to add 'BoB are pos spamming...etc etc' or remove ours. I chose the latter 
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Harington
Originally by: LadyScarlet Back away from the forums now and mute yourself please
I thought BoB don't censor their members...
This is not about censoring belive me
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet This is not about censoring belive me
Certainly looks like it...
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Harington
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is not about censoring belive me
Certainly looks like it...
think of it as a act from greenpeace
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 03/11/2006 20:36:26
Originally by: Kw4h
Originally by: ponieus Celes helped ASCN take a Xelas station.
BoB took 2 Stations from ASCN.
ASCN retake H8-
ASCN have deployed loads of carriers and a Mothership in GQ2.
ASCN die in battle BoB die in battle
Pretty much a summary.
I took the liberty to un-bias that quote of yours.
I either had the choice to add 'BoB are pos spamming...etc etc' or remove ours. I chose the latter 
So care to explain us how many poses did ascn anchor and how many bob did ? Also maybe add that you didn't manage to put into reinforce nothing bigger than small tower. In last 5 weeks. 
We don't like POSes so we rather kill enemy ones than anchor more. ----------------------------------------------- Remove flashes from capital torps.
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Kazim
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:37:00 -
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So.. is the op being kicked from COIN for mouthing off to a bob leader?
Just a curious pedestrian here 
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kw4h
Originally by: ponieus Celes helped ASCN take a Xelas station.
BoB took 2 Stations from ASCN.
ASCN retake H8-
ASCN have deployed loads of carriers and a Mothership in GQ2.
ASCN die in battle BoB die in battle
Pretty much a summary.
I took the liberty to un-bias that quote of yours.
I either had the choice to add 'BoB are pos spamming...etc etc' or remove ours. I chose the latter 
umm I told no lies in my first summary.
Your telling me we are NOT killing loads of your Fighters?
Your telling me that you are NOT pos spamming both systems.
And you are telling me you are not helping Pirates in Fountain?
I mean seriously wtf? I posted what I deemed a fair summary of what has been going on for the past week. And you say its bias cause I am telling the truth wow./.
anyways back to reading a blog on how you are gonna wait us out and pos spam us and not fight our fight and such other rabble.
see ya on the battlefield IN ASCN space WHERE the FIGHT is at..  ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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munchy
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
any chance of you undertaking an operation to pull your head out of your ass? i really dont know how you can breathe up there ---
Originally by: Kaaii (UCC)
We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark.
oh sig, please come back to me =(
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Tobias Raddick
Caldari Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:36:00 -
[30]
I'm in a BoB thread! \o/
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus And you are telling me you are not helping Pirates in Fountain?
Just out of intrest, given that TASOP and Dice have been known to commit piracy in empire, I heard TSAOP pirated a carrier in low sec not that long ago. Do you refer to them as 'Pirates' as well? Just an Average Joe! |

Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Modain post
I wouldn't let it get to you, i remember when there was the stain- alliance thing and cyvok's "now fly zone", some people just like to run other people down to make themselves feel big, its the beauty of the internet, shame but true 
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Slowboat on 03/11/2006 22:37:25
Originally by: ponieus
ASCN retake H8- (pos spam ftw)
Yeah because... you know... BOB isn't doing the exact same POS spamming or anything. 
Edit:
Oh and Drake.. Your falling victim of the BOB Propaganda machine. They dislike anything that doesn't agree 100 percent with their side of things. Unfortunately that includes your opinion of how not to react to a slip of the keyboard.
Just ignore them.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:33:00 -
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The PNQY outpost is totally under the control of ASCN.. they have the sov and they have the outpost.
we can now do other things. praise the lord.
d solo.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:35:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
so witty
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Oh for the love of... GROW UP will you? I'm starting to think all of BOB are actually 12 year olds. Sheesh.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:46:00 -
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I would like to say to original poster, I TOLD YOU SO.
You will not get anything other that bull by posting threads like this, none will give you a proper reply. best bet its to stay away from situations like this, if there is a war, iam sure one of the leaders will post their own updates when they feel it necessary and thats usually after a major even, like station taking. other than that, this war if none give up, could last until end of spring next year.
the LV vs RA war is still going stronge right now despite when you may hear, you have any idea when it started?
Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Drake Modain
nawww...I think I'll just leave it there and let the jerks show their true colors
err.. Dianabolic may have overreacted a bit.. but you did get your regions totally mixed up in the OP, which is a bit odd seeing as your post was a single paragraph.
Either edit your post or admit you made a pretty elementary f-up... calling people jerks for pointing out your glaring mistake is childish to say the least.
Funny for a second I was afraid you were doing some damage control for bob - then I remembered you are a neutral observer, whew!
- Gob
hmm just noticed this post...
When I read the OP the first thing I thought of is.. wtf is this guy on, the fighting is happening in Paragon Soul? .. although I didn't bother typing anything ..... so does that make me a jerk too? cause I thought of pointing out that pretty big mistake...
wait.. don't answer that question... I think I know what your answer is. 
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Pretty lame tbh
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Admiral Achura
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Oh my god.. the person who made that page has no life. i dont know if i should feel sorry for him or what. It the most lame thing i've seen to date.. 
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces When I read the OP the first thing I thought of is.. wtf is this guy on, the fighting is happening in Paragon Soul? .. although I didn't bother typing anything ..... so does that make me a jerk too?
Quite possibly. I'd have been even more certain if you'd thrown a wobbly and then got the rest of your alliance - oh, wait... - on damage control.
Quote: cause I thought of pointing out that pretty big mistake...
Did you think of doing it in a childish and over-the-top manner?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Harington
Did you think of doing it in a childish and over-the-top manner?
well.. I think my response, had I made one, would have been something along the lines of...
"err ... don't you mean Paragon Soul"...
ofc I would be missing one vital piece of information.. the fact that Constuctive Influence is a BoB associated corporation... (until know I honestly thought they were a spoof corp).
Knowing that may have elevated my response to something more scathing...
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:33:00 -
[44]
I swear, this thread is like a really bad joke or something?
I'm done 'defending' myself in this stupid thread. The fact that there's now a 2 page diatribe because someone accidentally had a mental lapse (me) and typed in the wrong region (heaven forbid). Honestly guys this is grade school crap going on here. I'm done replying in any way to this thread, feel free to flame all you want. Frankly, It will forever mistify me how someone reading this thread can't gaze and marvel at the lack of maturity here.
Drake Modain - corp affiliation unknown appently until I get home from work.
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:37:00 -
[45]
can a moderator close this please?
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wobbly
Amarr UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:43:00 -
[46]
Edited by: wobbly on 03/11/2006 23:43:10
Originally by: Karina Harington ..... I'd have been even more certain if you'd thrown a wobbly and then got the rest of your alliance .....
I can categorically say that I wasnt thrown anywhere  |

Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:55:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 04/11/2006 00:02:41 Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
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Fedaykin Naib
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:55:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Drake Modain can a moderator close this please?
Quickiest way to have them to do this would be to send them a email.
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Fedaykin Naib
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
Personal attacks against people in an out of game sense is
Sounds like something someone should email the mods about.
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:28:00 -
[50]
you belong to bob so whats the point of this stupid post? --------------------------------
Spain ftw! |
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:32:00 -
[51]
Edited by: ElCoCo on 04/11/2006 00:32:18 "ACTAULLY JUST DONT EVER FIGHT AND WE CANT LOSE"
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:39:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Drake Modain can a moderator close this please?
its your fault, this was highly expected.
Quote: "Don't touch the RED b
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:49:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 04/11/2006 00:02:41 Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
CYV0K is his RL name too? if not, then its legit IN Character attacks, and should not be seen as attack on the RL person, until his real name is used.
Any other interpretation is either paranoya in best case, or sheer stupidity. ------------------ Save Tranquility!  |

Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:57:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Is this blog copy authentic? (other than the pink notes of course).
It seems to me that even some parts of the text are hallucinations  ------------------ Save Tranquility!  |

Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 00:58:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/11/2006 00:59:47
Originally by: Gungankllr
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
aaah.. comeon GK, you should know better than to drag CYVOK's RL stuff into this, its neither here nor there.
Goberith practically called me a jerk earlier..
I'M GOING TO SUE HIS BEHIND... ingame ofc.. I'm calling my lawyer in Jita as we speak !!!
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.04 01:04:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/11/2006 00:59:47
Originally by: Gungankllr
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
aaah.. comeon GK, you should know better than to drag CYVOK's RL stuff into this, its neither here nor there.
Goberith practically called me a jerk earlier..
I'M GOING TO SUE HIS BEHIND... ingame ofc.. I'm calling my lawyer in Jita as we speak !!!
Actually, it was a lame attmpt at a slap in the face "OOC" as it were as it alludes to reasons he hasn't been able to log in and play as much as he might have wanted to recently. So.. no, it wasn't "in game" only. Otherwise the mention of WOW would never have come up since WOW is most definitely not a part of this game.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.04 01:32:00 -
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also the oh so original reference to living in mom's basement and pizza boxes (not pink text either?)
I kinda like it when people copy CYVOK's blog for me to read, but annoying when it's modified and seems some sad person put a lot of work put into adding the childish personal attack text ;P
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NoWeR
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.04 01:55:00 -
[58]
Edited by: NoWeR on 04/11/2006 01:55:01
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Pathetic.
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Irimi Nage
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:00:00 -
[59]
The op made an honest mistake, he got blasted a bit much, but fair enough considering that he should have known better.
I think you'll find the references to Mum's basement etc is what's known as "Sarcasm", you see, a certain someone who shall rename nameless accused us of being people who lived in their mum's basement and were "quake kiddies" or something.
Also, saying someone isn't active, in no way attacks them IRL. It's saying they're not active.
People seem to read WAY too much into things... but then, who cares.
Lets just all eat sandwiches: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/sandwich.jpg
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:21:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Irimi Nage The op made an honest mistake, he got blasted a bit much, but fair enough considering that he should have known better.
I think you'll find the references to Mum's basement etc is what's known as "Sarcasm", you see, a certain someone who shall rename nameless accused us of being people who lived in their mum's basement and were "quake kiddies" or something.
Also, saying someone isn't active, in no way attacks them IRL. It's saying they're not active.
People seem to read WAY too much into things... but then, who cares.
Lets just all eat sandwiches: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/sandwich.jpg
Saying someone is inactive is one thing, saying they are ignoring their alliance in a war by playing WOW instead is completely different given the stated circumstances of Cyvok's absence.
As to the Blog modification, you don't see anyone from ASCN editing Molle's posts in that kind of childish attempt. The more I see of stuff like that from BOB members the more I start thinking how much you DO resemble quake kiddies. That is the exact behavior the term encapsulates.
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:01:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 04/11/2006 00:02:41 Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
I am sure his personal OUT OF GAME life is fine. I take nothing away from the man.. But that has no place here.. This is a game.. I dont care I am still going to drag him and his alliance threw the mud. Deal with it its a war in a GAME> ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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DTee
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:56:00 -
[62]
I would like to take this opportunity to tell ASCN that I have alot of respect for you guys at the front line. You've been fighting and trying your hardest. Well done. I've enjoyed alot of good fights with you and hope that it only gets better.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:39:00 -
[63]
Originally by: DTee I would like to take this opportunity to tell ASCN that I have alot of respect for you guys at the front line. You've been fighting and trying your hardest. Well done. I've enjoyed alot of good fights with you and hope that it only gets better.
getting better for them or you? it can't be both. Its not time yet to call this BATTLE OF THE TITANS with all due respect you re both titanic alliances, but i was referring to the ship type.
Quote: ASCN will be lot cooler without madeye
Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:47:00 -
[64]

Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |

God's Army
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:09:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
pfff , wth is that.. how long tooks ya to type that ****.
grow up .. and stop that irony propaganda in eve-o , if u beatin ascn , good job for ya .. and if u getting pwned by ascn , gj for them ... WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR REPORTS , jeeez lol
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God's Army
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 04/11/2006 00:02:41 Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
I am sure his personal OUT OF GAME life is fine. I take nothing away from the man.. But that has no place here.. This is a game.. I dont care I am still going to drag him and his alliance threw the mud. Deal with it its a war in a GAME>
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: God's Army
Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 04/11/2006 00:02:41 Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/11/2006 23:56:06
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
When BoB belittles us as an alliance, I kind of expect that, it's part of their whole visage they portray.
To-date, and in the future, ASCN doesn't condone nor sponsor attacks in an out-of-game sense versus anyone.
If you want to call (Me for instance) a coward, then feel free, you're calling the character/avatar Gungankllr a coward.
CYVOK IRL Is a proud veteran of the Military of the United States of America, who recently was honorably discharged after completing several years of service in defense of his country.
I don't think he deserves in the slightest bit to be tallywhacked in this way during this period of transition while he eases back into civilian life.
Grow up.
I am sure his personal OUT OF GAME life is fine. I take nothing away from the man.. But that has no place here.. This is a game.. I dont care I am still going to drag him and his alliance threw the mud. Deal with it its a war in a GAME>
stfu .. get back to pvp and stop that pathetic nag...
why dont you get off my sack. I didnt bring the RL into it.
ohh yeah pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot..
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Astari DeLaci
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:50:00 -
[68]
AFAIK, blogspot is not run by CCP, nor is it a part of Eve. Instead, it belongs to a RL network known as the internet.
=)
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente Hybrid Stigmata
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Posted - 2006.11.04 06:54:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Astari DeLaci AFAIK, blogspot is not run by CCP, nor is it a part of Eve. Instead, it belongs to a RL network known as the internet.
=)
Post with your main 
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Dark Matter
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:14:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Gungankllr Post no 59
Gungan weren't you booted from CLS earlier last year for some spurious reason by Cyvok? You're behaving like a child defending an abusive parent, which leads me to question your own ability to judge in these matters.
ps Why is it you feel entitled to reply in this thread and not anyone else from ASCN?
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John McCreedy
Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:24:00 -
[71]
Things are going pretty much as you'd expect at this stage of a major war. ASCN lost two stations last weekend to BoB. This week we promptly captured them back. Then we lost one. Then we captured it back. Then we lost it etc. It's now descended into station ping pong.
Make a Difference
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Dark Matter
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:27:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 07:32:04 John do you have any comment on the Eve Tribune article?
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
edited to add url
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:40:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 07:32:04 John do you have any comment on the Eve Tribune article?
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
edited to add url
I swear.. do BOB members like you go to a special school to learn how to be arsehats on the forums? If so I see you graduated with honors.
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Bobbeh
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Roxanna Kell boring. once a war goes beyond a month, i just don't see the point of caring, use the map to find out who own what station, and the kb to see who is killing more. other than that, wait for eve tribune or something, because no one here will give you the true face of the story, especially if mcgreedy goes on a posting rampage.
Not that its nothing to do with you. Since you ran away from DICE crying. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |

Dark Matter
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:01:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 08:01:50
Originally by: Slowboat
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 07:32:04 John do you have any comment on the Eve Tribune article?
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
edited to add url
I swear.. do BOB members like you go to a special school to learn how to be arsehats on the forums? If so I see you graduated with honors.
When I'm being an "asshat" I don't do it behind an alt.
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:08:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 08:01:50
Originally by: Slowboat
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 07:32:04 John do you have any comment on the Eve Tribune article?
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
edited to add url
I swear.. do BOB members like you go to a special school to learn how to be arsehats on the forums? If so I see you graduated with honors.
When I'm being an "asshat" I don't do it behind an alt.
Yeah yeah.. same old same old. When you have nothing better to possibly say start pointing the alt finger. But hey, at least you admit your an asshat. Acceptance is the first step so you might possibly be cured of it.... one day.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:10:00 -
[77]
Originally by: John McCreedy Things are going pretty much as you'd expect at this stage of a major war. ASCN lost two stations last weekend to BoB. This week we promptly captured them back. Then we lost one. Then we captured it back. Then we lost it etc. It's now descended into station ping pong.
you forgot the part where ASCN spammed pos to try to retake the systems, whereas we didn't spam pos, we blew yours up to the same effect :)
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Dark Matter
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:31:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Slowboat
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 08:01:50
Originally by: Slowboat
Originally by: Dark Matter Edited by: Dark Matter on 04/11/2006 07:32:04 John do you have any comment on the Eve Tribune article?
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=21&page=3
edited to add url
I swear.. do BOB members like you go to a special school to learn how to be arsehats on the forums? If so I see you graduated with honors.
When I'm being an "asshat" I don't do it behind an alt.
Yeah yeah.. same old same old. When you have nothing better to possibly say start pointing the alt finger. But hey, at least you admit your an asshat. Acceptance is the first step so you might possibly be cured of it.... one day.
I guess John must be a great leader if he needs to hide behind the skirt of a posting alt
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Heptameron
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:47:00 -
[79]
what kind of bugs me is once again, presented with a perfect opportunity to put some in game, IC news about a monster battle of alliances seems to be completely ignored by CCP. Or maybe we'll get some snippets in about 2 months time when the dust has fallen and 1 side or the other has won/lost/whatever.
Where are the battlefield reports, interviews of FC's, 'news from the front' kind of articles that would give this game a little more depth and make it feel a little less like quake in space at times? ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by |

qwerty007
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Posted - 2006.11.04 09:06:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Xrak Edited by: Xrak on 03/11/2006 22:26:13 Well here is what CYVOK thinks.
http://ascn-leadership.blogspot.com/
Are you serious? Wow BoB, talk about low.
If you're gonna bash someone, at least do it right, don't look like a stalker while you're doing it.
For example, it should be: "People dont realise how hard it is to be an incomptent leader. Those FC's have to deal with the sand BoB shoots out of their vagina's ALL OVER the forums."
After going to that blog, both BoB and ASCN members can agree on one thing, it was lame.
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Silvero
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 10:05:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Silvero on 04/11/2006 10:07:13 Ok i just read the blog, was a very interessting POS WAREFARE section so now i have to ask am i getting it correct. Preemptive strike once again. (Recognize "Omg MC is coming for us")
To avoid a booring POS war Cyvok orders the boys to constantly add more towers, until they have at least 20 deathstars in each system with a couple of hundred as back up. Sounds like he is the one opening pandoras box, since bob have the amazing total of 5 towers each in H8- and GQ2. Which was fewer then the towers already existing in does systems under ASCN. The Differance is that we actually kill thier pos's while they hide in theirs.
And please tell me if im wrong, haven't seen a dread since that attempt in H8-
Cyvok: "Now that we are in Week 5 and BoB realize that ASCN is not going to be beat through brut force alone, they are spending A LOT of ISK and time getting ready for a POS spam war. (Breaking yet another famous line: ôwe donÆt fight lame POS warsö)."
The Dual moral of this fella is amazing, give him a medal.
We are not the ppl starting this pos war but we will sure as hell end it..
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Silvero
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 10:22:00 -
[82]
I whould like to continue here.
Isn't it easier just to tell the ppl of ASCN that: "Lads we cannot keep up with the BoB capital fleet and thier work on our pos's, we have tried and failed. The only realistic way of keeping the GQ2 and H8- systems are to make sure we have more pos's then them. I know it's a dire prize to pay but a pos war seems to be the only way we could win control over the systems at this point."
Voila, easy correct and belivable.
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 10:45:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Dark Matter ps Why is it you feel entitled to reply in this thread and not anyone else from ASCN?
Check my bio.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:36:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Bobbeh
Originally by: Roxanna Kell boring. once a war goes beyond a month, i just don't see the point of caring, use the map to find out who own what station, and the kb to see who is killing more. other than that, wait for eve tribune or something, because no one here will give you the true face of the story, especially if mcgreedy goes on a posting rampage.
Not that its nothing to do with you. Since you ran away from DICE crying.
|WHAT? care you explain WTF you trying to say, Crying? look dude, if you trying to flame me thats fine, just do it in space, because first *i don't know you. second *you don't know me.
seriously this is a bull comment i would never have expected from anyone in DICE. i suggest you keep a Civil attitude on the forum especially towards someone you don't know.
Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
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Lobo13
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:44:00 -
[85]
Originally by: DTee I would like to take this opportunity to tell ASCN that I have alot of respect for you guys at the front line. You've been fighting and trying your hardest. Well done. I've enjoyed alot of good fights with you and hope that it only gets better.
Respect.
Back at ya mate.
Lobo13.
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:57:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Dianabolic ascn may have lost 2 stations in PERIOD BASIS?
Are you for real? Do you wake up screaming in sweat because you can no longer open your eyes, or what?
Every group has to have them, I guess, but **** that's some self ownage of a hitherto unheard of scale.
You should see him what you up-set him!
Forget Titan, you need ctrl-Q to escape the wrath! Try again!
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:45:00 -
[87]
This thread gets a score of -10.
Some BoB members will be contacted for more forum training.
Blog
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 12:52:00 -
[88]
i find it funny that a phallic ship like the avatar is called Steve....freudian?
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.04 13:20:00 -
[89]
Quote: I kinda like it when people copy CYVOK's blog for me to read, but annoying when it's modified and seems some sad person put a lot of work put into adding the childish personal attack text ;P
Put it best than I could with the hangover and all. Very lame. 
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.04 14:09:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Eskalin i find it funny that a phallic ship like the avatar is called Steve....freudian?
Just when this thread hit the bottom, you take it a further stage below. Just an Average Joe! |
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Ramireza
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.04 14:15:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Ramireza on 04/11/2006 14:15:18
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
Corp hopping again?  
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 15:27:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ramireza Edited by: Ramireza on 04/11/2006 14:15:18
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
Corp hopping again?  
Go woody go \o/
- Gob
Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.04 16:27:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Silvero
Sounds like he is the one opening pandoras box, since bob have the amazing total of 5 towers each in H8- and GQ2. Which was fewer then the towers already existing in does systems under ASCN.
If this is true, WTF are the ASCN peeps who are complaining about a POS war on about? 5?!? That isn't POS spam by any stretch of the imagination.
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:10:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Slowboat on 04/11/2006 17:13:20
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Silvero
Sounds like he is the one opening pandoras box, since bob have the amazing total of 5 towers each in H8- and GQ2. Which was fewer then the towers already existing in does systems under ASCN.
If this is true, WTF are the ASCN peeps who are complaining about a POS war on about? 5?!? That isn't POS spam by any stretch of the imagination.
Uh.. you might want to read the thread again since it wasn't an ASCN member that complained about POS spamming, is was a BOB.
Funny thing is I could have sworn BOB always said they wouldn't get into a POS war Oh well, yet more BS they might find inconvenient to admit to, I'm sure.
News flash BOB: You want to take another alliances territory you deal with POS wars. Don't cry about it, it is a very valid and legal tactic not to mention the way CCP intended it to work. YOU are the ones that decided you would pacify DICE's crying that they just had to have their very own 10/10 to run.
It just seems to me that BOB spend way to much time b*tching and moaning on the boards about blogs and POS' and their enemies tactics because they just didn't roll over and die for the "OMG uber l33t BOB PVP is Supreme" quake kiddies.
It also seems to me that if more BOB members were like the one quoted below
Originally by: DTee I would like to take this opportunity to tell ASCN that I have alot of respect for you guys at the front line. You've been fighting and trying your hardest. Well done. I've enjoyed alot of good fights with you and hope that it only gets better.
instead of the personal attacks and insults this war would be a lot more fun for both sides. But they will keep on being just as childish, in the majority, as ever since they won't possibly admit their attempt at breaking ASCN morale is failing miserably.
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Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:19:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Slowboat Funny thing is I could have sworn BOB always said they wouldn't get into a POS war Oh well, yet more BS they might find inconvenient to admit to, I'm sure.
News flash BOB: You want to take another alliances territory you deal with POS wars. Don't cry about it, it is a very valid and legal tactic not to mention the way CCP intended it to work. YOU are the ones that decided you would pacify DICE's crying that they just had to have their very own 10/10 to run.
An ORLY owl is needed in this thread as soon as possible!
Here we have an ASCN alt trying to give us advice on how to take another alliance's territory. We've been doing this since our group has been formed and we'll continue doing it whenever we feel like it. Like many have felt before, if we want something done we'll get it done sooner or later. We play to win and we won't stop until we've won.
If ASCN thinks playing POS wars with us is going to break our morale, then you are very wrong. The more POS you put up, the more POS you'll be losing. --------------------
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Bizarre
If ASCN thinks playing POS wars with us is going to break our morale, then you are very wrong. The more POS you put up, the more POS you'll be losing.
I'll hold you to that after you've had a few months of solid POS wars.
Utter, total, devastating boredom. Its one fast way to ensure a lot of people leave your alliance through boredom.
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Serathu
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2006.11.04 17:26:00 -
[97]
Thread locked at the OP's request.
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