Not sure why anyone would ever go to one of these over one in actual lowsec.

An imbalance compared to what exactly? As far as I know incursions also exist in Lowsec, and Nullsec. So where exactly is this imbalance?

Also I didn't say anything about ganking them...think outside of the box friend.

(also please don't include me with "you guys" thanks. I have never done a single incursion, and probably never will.)

I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please.

Super gay.

Oh well sorry NS guys I tried to help ya out. Guess you will just have to keep complaining about the system they just buffed 6 months ago.

Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.

Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ...
... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ...
... and it's verboten, because ...
... well I forgot.

That was in 2011 or something?


So go ahead and rep them.
Do it.
Be a winner.

lol

You're all idiots.
If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter
and then readjust eventually.

BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT
YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!

Any and all discussions are pointless,
because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.

You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.

Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.

We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears.

You wished.
"BUT I NEED THAT MONEY TO PLEX MY ACCOUNTS HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO WASTE IT???"

Or...
"Oh sure here have a PLEX see I'm a good person!"
... not mentioning the hundreds of billions they have already.

That's the reality of greed!

then you might as well go to lowsec.


honestly most players risk billion isk+ ships to run incursions, but if they don't ever lose them then I guess that isn't much of a risk. but that risk gets hard to quantify as not losing a ship depends on other players doing their role.

most of my incursion experience was running VGs at off peak hours, and as far as that goes I'd rather just run lv4 missions. maybe these days the communities are better and you can do HQs/Assaults or whatever you do at more hours so that would be one thing, but also that HQs have a double? payout of VGs.

and then there are scouts which got "buffed" but apparently to a state where they are useless.

one persons buff to pvp is another persons nerf to income. Lowsec incursions get better payouts as a compensation for the additional risk, and well I'm not so sure how often they actually get run. Hell I've seen people complain 0.0 incursions aren't worth doing either.

and just because some people are doing PVE here, doesn't mean there aren't people doing pvp there. as much as some people want pvp everywhere all the time, there are plenty of people who don't, and I'm okay with that.

If it was real life where the money was being generated between people, yea, it would be unfair, but this is a video game where money is literally printed out of thin air via PVE. Other means of acquiring money are secondary to this one true fact. The real world is far more complicated than this and people that DO accumulate a stupid amount of wealth never really contribute it back into the economy, unless you count investments in stock, cds, etc. But at the end of the day, that helps a small percentage of people and not the grand majority.

Even worse, some of them just let it sit.

That's why it's not such a big deal if some individuals in a video game can make so much isk, at least for me. After a certain point it truly becomes worthless on an individual level.

Reading all that's been said the best options to lower the income of Incursion runners are the following:

1. Run the Incursions yourself. More competition lowers individual income. (Works on the market as well as we all know.) .

And yet, people are willing to "play" hours in TiDi for this "crap" space.

I'm not even gonna try to make it out to be better than high-sec but it sure has enough value for people to endure this in the name of a space flag...

And yet, all resource acquisition from Highend base minerals, to bottleneck T2 materials along with T3 still do operate under such a concept. It has been so for as long as I can remember.

But then again, these resources have to find their ISK, or rather the other way around - the ISK inflows minus sinks, ideally, have to be matched to the amount of procured resources per unit of time - and during most of 2014 that was 25-30 Trillion ISK per month looking to park itself.

I'd love to see a lot more of that kind of data.

If nothing is changing with respect to the topic at hand, then it can be safely assumed that the metric that they have says the system is balanced, because apart from Lvl 4 measly bounties & Agent reward, along with Incursions there is no active ISK incomes in Highsec, and without active ISK incomes, the transfer of wealth from Highsec to entities who control the aforementioned resources would be rather disastrous, since Highsec doesn't have many resources that the rest of New Eden needs.

And no, most of the commodities on the LP stores of both FW and Lvl4s are a net sink in the economy - they don't print ISK.

A sink is something that disappears ISK in its entirety out of the system - http://i.imgur.com/wybDyAB.png

Taxes, Skillbooks, BPOs, LP store costs.

Any ISK that is exchanged on the player markets is just its healthy breathing through the economy, as the net doesn't change on such transactions, apart from Sales Tax & Broker's Fee deductions, of course.

CONCORD here acts as a central bank system with many regional banks, essentially expanding credit to anyone - just like banks had done on sub-prime loans.

You all know what happens to asset prices when everyone gets the credit they desire.

CCP have to be applauded at their efforts here, especially during the ISBotter period.

Please expand on the topic further - what do you mean by hoarding?

That is indeed a very interesting question, and as I've said, this ISK ideally needs to be "matched" to the rate of resource acquisition, such as ores, moon materials, salvage, various loot like Deadspace/Faction/Meta modules, Pirate ship BPCs - resources in other words.



That is indeed, in part, the case but the resources are still being acquired, and are always there for you to pyrchase - they haven't disappeared. The general wealth of the EvE players can then be said to be increasing, on both sides of the equation.

Therefore, we need a VERY, VERY Good War right about now - to get the Animal Spirits excited, and to make people spend their ISK and explode gloriously in spaceships.

Just like the real economy, eh.

We're all trying to build EvE that will outshine the Glory days of the Second Great EvE war.

P.S. Possibly inappropriate thread for this - but it's all impossibly interconnected: You start with discussing incomes, you get to faucets, which takes you to the greater economy, which takes you back in a full loop.

I was in FW at it's inception in 2008, and it wasn't like that, in fact no one did FW missions then. CCP WAY over-buffed the FW rewards, in part because many of us short sightedly (myself included) complained that there were no rewards for being in FW. The problem isn't the farming community, it's that CCP stuffed rewards into something that was supposed to mainly be about pvp.

Now there are lots of people who don't give a damn about FW in FW farming, and that's a shame. FW was glorious in the beginning, all we were really asking for was a way to sustain ourselves while being in FW and CCP responded with an unbalanced gold mine that screws everything up.

The bomber has nothing to do with needing to avoid people (tho it helps) and more to do with the BS size weapons on a frig size hull that can sig tank a entire room of a LVL 4 mission while blitzing it. And the fact that you can do this with several missions in a single run in a decent amount of time for a large pay out. At least on the minmitar side, the caldari and galente FW have some problems with this because of the EWAR they go against, and the last time I looked at FW the amarr pay outs weren't worth the effort tho that could have changed.

I wouldn't call it risk honestly. Bombers are best but you can do the missions in any number of ships, including Caracals. All you have to do is buy a stack of caracals and enough fittings to fit them out and just spend them like candy. hell, when I jump into an Amarr militia gate camp I don't even try to make it back to the gate, I just let them kill the ship, Pod me back to Hek (I chuckle when i think "these guys are sending me to HEK lol) and simply attack my travel route backwards.

It's insane, we should not be able to make 100-250ish mil per hour with a Caracal or Stealth bomber we don't give 2 filps about if it dies. In defense of incursions , at least you need a BS for that unbalanced monstrosity, but FW missions are the number 1 messed up PVE thing in EVE. CCP could fix FW missions by making them at least not be blitzable (if you have to clear the field of NPCs instead of killing a couple BSs or haulers or a structure, the massive amount of LP rewarded would make more sense).

I'ma keep farming till CCP does something, but it's really dumb how they have it now. There are WHOLE ALLIANCES in FW that play both sides of a conflict and actively manipulate which side is allowed to "win" for isk farming purposes, it's a perversion.

Well, forums were never a place for real debate. I mean, once people realize they can't convince you of their point of view they start to throw insults around and claiming their point of view as the absolute truth and anyone who disagrees is either stupid or lying

It's so disgusting I retired the grand majority of my interest in this thread. The forums make me want to quit the game, so I take a break when I feel it's time.