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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:42:19 -
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Mizhir wrote:Do you honestly think that we started this?
Mizhir wrote:We did only bring war to their home. Why would they do otherwise?
Am I missing something or did you answer your question? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
2340
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:43:47 -
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Mizhir wrote:Do you honestly think that we started this? This has been something underway for years and it has all happened without us knowing anything. Capsuleers have invaded anoikis for years and killed countless of sleeper vessels while harvesting their technology and parts to develope new weapons to combat eachother. And now that they show up on our doorstep you question our search for knowlegde about them. We did only bring war to their home. Why would they do otherwise?
They were just looking around until we started killing them because we like to look at pretty explosions.
Seems pretty clear cut to me who's at fault here. |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74284
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:45:35 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Mizhir wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Scope Works has been leading the charge against these things with guns blazing. Are you at all surprised? If it weren't for Anslo and Scope Works we would not have had any drifter bodies to work with. Not to detract from Anslo or his organization's significant efforts, but perhaps a broader vision would be helpful. Drifters have, in fact, been dying by the score to pilots who're simply less ... "public" with their presence. In fact I know of pilots personally who have solo'd Drifters regularly. In frigates.
True. It is the nature of many capsuleers to kill. So the conflict began even before Anslo started to dream about our project. However noone else than us have managed to acquire a body and with the prices we have been offered for drifter body parts I doubt that anyone would hide the fact that they have one.
I have seen cases where capsuleers used ECM or longrange weaponry to defeat the drifters yet it has shown that they have been able to adapt.
As for frigates. I haven't seen any evidence for that.
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Terminus Antollare
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:49:29 -
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I've come across 2 Observatories in Sinq. Was attacked at one (0.8 sec) and while mining asteroids in 1.0 was surrounded by Seekers. They scanned asteroids, then my ship, then warped off. At the actual observatories, hanging around more than a minute or so brought several hostile drifters. |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74284
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:50:22 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Mizhir wrote:Do you honestly think that we started this? This has been something underway for years and it has all happened without us knowing anything. Capsuleers have invaded anoikis for years and killed countless of sleeper vessels while harvesting their technology and parts to develope new weapons to combat eachother. And now that they show up on our doorstep you question our search for knowlegde about them. We did only bring war to their home. Why would they do otherwise? They were just looking around until we started killing them because we like to look at pretty explosions. Seems pretty clear cut to me who's at fault here.
So you think that the countless of sleeper vessels being destroyed in anoikis is completely irrelevant? This was not started by the capsuleers who hunted down the Circardian Seekers or the Drifters. It was started by the ones who went into their space.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
2340
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:53:51 -
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Mizhir wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Mizhir wrote:Do you honestly think that we started this? This has been something underway for years and it has all happened without us knowing anything. Capsuleers have invaded anoikis for years and killed countless of sleeper vessels while harvesting their technology and parts to develope new weapons to combat eachother. And now that they show up on our doorstep you question our search for knowlegde about them. We did only bring war to their home. Why would they do otherwise? They were just looking around until we started killing them because we like to look at pretty explosions. Seems pretty clear cut to me who's at fault here. So you think that the countless of sleeper vessels being destroyed in anoikis is completely irrelevant? This was not started by the capsuleers who hunted down the Circardian Seekers or the Drifters. It was started by the ones who went into their space.
Oh, I see. You think I am blaming you for the whole mess. No, I am blaming capsuleers.
My comments in regards to Anslo were in regards to his posts stating that he was encouraging people to give "Hilen Tukoss" the Jovian Body Parts even though the whole thing was suspicious as hell, and going so far as to say he would blow up anyone trying to stop "Hilen Tukoss" from getting the body parts because "He wanted to see something happen" |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74284
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:58:50 -
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Either way. I'm not going to sit idle as they get stronger.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
2340
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:06:05 -
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Mizhir wrote:Either way. I'm not going to sit idle as they get stronger.
Oh sure, that's a great idea. Lets take a mistake a compound it. Surely this is the way to peace and understanding. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
2342
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:08:29 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:
Last night, Circadian Seekers pursued pilots from Scope Works across multiple systems.
Let's let that sink in a moment.
Scope Works has been leading the charge against these things with guns blazing. Are you at all surprised? You're missing the point. They're chasing across gates now.
For the record, this reads to me as "Oh no, they have figured out how to use the things we use multiple times a day, now they must die." |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
43065
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:45:46 -
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Mizhir wrote:True. It is the nature of many capsuleers to kill. So the conflict began even before Anslo started to dream about our project. However noone else than us have managed to acquire a body and with the prices we have been offered for drifter body parts I doubt that anyone would hide the fact that they have one.
Well I put it to you that you don't actually have one.
All I've seen is a short holo-reel that anyone with limited skill in the field could put together, and the "findings" released within it quite plausibly simple deduction and theory. The possible motivation behind pulling off such a stunt is obvious, especially when you seem dubiously keen to be pro-actively aggressive toward the Drifters and encourage others to be the same.
How about a holo-image of the corpse in storage inventory...?
Mizhir wrote:As for frigates. I haven't seen any evidence for that.
[ Attachment 1 ]
[ Attachment 2 ]
Would you like to be put in touch with the applicable pilot for first-hand evidence?
If you look around IGS it would already be very obvious. As I say, a broader vision can be helpful.
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74289
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:14:13 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Mizhir wrote:True. It is the nature of many capsuleers to kill. So the conflict began even before Anslo started to dream about our project. However noone else than us have managed to acquire a body and with the prices we have been offered for drifter body parts I doubt that anyone would hide the fact that they have one. Well I put it to you that you don't actually have one. All I've seen is a short holo-reel that anyone with limited skill in the field could put together, and the "findings" released within it quite plausibly simple deduction and theory. The possible motivation behind pulling off such a stunt is obvious, especially when you seem dubiously keen to be pro-actively aggressive toward the Drifters and encourage others to be the same. How about a holo-image of the corpse in storage inventory...? Mizhir wrote:As for frigates. I haven't seen any evidence for that. [ Attachment 1 ] [ Attachment 2 ] Would you like to be put in touch with the applicable pilot for first-hand evidence? If you look around IGS it would already be very obvious. As I say, a broader vision can be helpful.
The corpse has not be added in the database of itemtypes so it does not show up on any storage inventory databases. If official DED approved reports and live footage from the SCOPE isn't enough then I doubt there will be anything that can convince you.
As for your friend with frigates. I will not call it a lie, but a truth with modification. The pressence of wrecks from the same pilot indicates that while the frigate was the ship delivering the final blow it was not the vessel that defeated the battleship.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
43067
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:26:55 -
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Mizhir wrote:The corpse has not be added in the database of itemtypes so it does not show up on any storage inventory databases. If official DED approved reports and live footage from the SCOPE isn't enough then I doubt there will be anything that can convince you.
How convenient.
Firstly the footage was not live, it was distributed post-production and merely tagged as a "live" feed, leading the viewer to believe it was, at some stage, a live broadcast. I'm not surprised the SCOPE picked up on the footage, real or otherwise. Such a sensational event is what media outlets are all about, that in itself means nothing. As for the DED? Well who's to say what their motivation in taking part is, goodness knows their actions and motivations have been called into question on more than one occasion in the past.
Essentially; "actual pics" or it never happened.
Mizhir wrote:As for your friend with frigates. I will not call it a lie, but a truth with modification. The pressence of wrecks from the same pilot indicates that while the frigate was the ship delivering the final blow it was not the vessel that defeated the battleship.
As I said, I can happily put you in touch with the pilot concerned who can I'm sure provide much more than my second-hand evidence. This doesn't seem to interest you though ... how curious.
While you bask in the limelight of an event I claim never took place, meanwhile pilots who've made very real strides and accomplishments in the field of studying drifter tactics and how to overcome them ... go unnoticed.
How sad.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
167
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:29:47 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:
Last night, Circadian Seekers pursued pilots from Scope Works across multiple systems.
Let's let that sink in a moment.
Scope Works has been leading the charge against these things with guns blazing. Are you at all surprised? You're missing the point. They're chasing across gates now. For the record, this reads to me as "Oh no, they have figured out how to use the things we use multiple times a day, now they must die."
Way to put words into someone's mouth, Tiberious. I would've expected better.
No, it shows an increase in aggression and a capability to use our own strategic infrastructure.
You do realize, Tiberious, that Drifters have made unprovoked attacks, don't you? Or are you that narrow of mind that if they're not attacking you that's all that matters?
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
67
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:58:25 -
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I've heard rumors from a source or two that Drifters are capable of using the existing jump gates (in addition to whatever wormhole generation they're using).
Can that be verified at all?
I monitored the Drifters and Seekers in Amarr last night for the better part of an hour. They seemed mostly interested in the jump gates and the asteroid belts. I did not see any new behavioral patters, though they did destroy a Griffin-class frigate in one of the belts.
Has anyone tried to scan an asteroid before and after a Seeker or Drifter "scan" to see if the composition or volume has changed?
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CHrONiC CAiN
New Eden Virtual Arcade Company
0
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:23:18 -
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There is a Drifter site in Sazre. Last night I found 2 Drifter Battleships on the Sazre gate in Jachanu. They were scanning me as I warped away. The affects of the scan continued until I started coming out of warp to jump into Kihtaled. There was no unidentfied wormhole in any nearby system. I proceeded to a site in Masanuh, but the Seekers were camping the gate in Ervekam. No site or wormhole is in that system. I doubled back and headed to dock up in Kahah. I killed 6 seekers outside the Station, no wormhole or site in that system either. I can only assume that they have acquired the ability to now utilize our jump gates. They have become very brazen over the last 48hrs. |
Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:04:36 -
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So these drifters aren't so bad after-all! |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Crown Humanitarian Aid Organization
57
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:25:42 -
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By what I have heard from you guys, my personal experiences, and the experiences of my employees, the Drifters and Seekers are becoming much more aggresive. |
CHrONiC CAiN
New Eden Virtual Arcade Company
1
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:43:08 -
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Blue spy wrote:So these drifters aren't so bad after-all!
The Seekers, no problem. Properly fit you can passive tank. The Drifter BS on the other hand.....well, just let us know how that works out for you. I can kite them in my cerb no problem but can't get enough damage. They always arrive in pairs. Of course yesterday Masunah had 6 DBS's at the Jove Observatory, another 2 in Leva and in the opposite direction, another 2 in Sahsasez. That's 10 Drifter Battleships within 2 jumps of each other. Let the fun begin! |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Crown Humanitarian Aid Organization
58
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:56:28 -
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Two Drifters outside the Emperor Family Academy in Amarr recently destroyed an associate of mine who was in an Armageddon without him provoking the Drifters. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
603
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:08:01 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:While you bask in the limelight of an event I claim never took place, meanwhile pilots who've made very real strides and accomplishments in the field of studying drifter tactics and how to overcome them ... go unnoticed.
How sad.
Respectfully, Ms. Dusette, if the universe's lack of a clear sense of justice saddens you, you're apt to spend a lot of time being sad.
... Um. Also, considering that data from capsuleer interfaces can also be falsified, I'm puzzled that you're willing to accept such data while alleging falsified video footage. Surely stills are easier to manufacture?
Bluntly, if it's good enough for the SCOPE, and for the Drifters to try to interfere with, it seems ... well. Hard to argue with. Unless you're saying that the Drifters wouldn't recognize a falsified autopsy of one of their own, or would object to the SCOPE broadcasting that kind of misinformation?
To come back to the main topic, though: why the Amarr?
It might be, maybe, that they're approaching the Empire as the civilization most directly led by a single public figure, which could simplify diplomacy a lot.
But ... that seems like an awful stretch.... |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
955
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:10:31 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Two Drifters outside the Emperor Family Academy in Amarr recently destroyed an associate of mine who was in an Armageddon without him provoking the Drifters.
The war has started. Best of luck. |
CHrONiC CAiN
New Eden Virtual Arcade Company
1
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:19:55 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Two Drifters outside the Emperor Family Academy in Amarr recently destroyed an associate of mine who was in an Armageddon without him provoking the Drifters. The war has started. Best of luck.
Yeah, and then theres that. |
CHrONiC CAiN
New Eden Virtual Arcade Company
1
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:26:47 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Two Drifters outside the Emperor Family Academy in Amarr recently destroyed an associate of mine who was in an Armageddon without him provoking the Drifters.
If they scanned him and determined a threat, that's not surprising. The Drifter Battleship numbers are growing exponentially. Good times ahead. I have several drifter gift packages on standby waiting to be delivered. Should be quite eventful  |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
70
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:44:39 -
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CHrONiC CAiN wrote:There is a Drifter site in Sazre. Last night I found 2 Drifter Battleships on the Sazre gate in Jachanu. They were scanning me as I warped away. The affects of the scan continued until I started coming out of warp to jump into Kihtaled. There was no unidentfied wormhole in any nearby system. I proceeded to a site in Masanuh, but the Seekers were camping the gate in Ervekam. No site or wormhole is in that system. I doubled back and headed to dock up in Kahah. I killed 6 seekers outside the Station, no wormhole or site in that system either. I can only assume that they have acquired the ability to now utilize our jump gates. They have become very brazen over the last 48hrs.
Last night, one system over in Badivefi, I saw an interesting battle. A lone pilot in a Brutix engaged three Seekers off the Royal Khanid Navy Logistic Support Station off Planet VI, Moon 2. His shields held remarkably well, though he didn't have quite enough damage output, even with his drones. It took him several minutes to kill the first two Seekers. As he started in on the third, three more appeared. Slowly, he was able to fight them off. As he engaged the last one, two Drifter battleships appeared. At that point, the pilot decided to seek the safety of the station. The battleships remained at the station for quite some time, but did not engage the station or any other ships.
I have not heard reports of Seekers or Drifters appearing in that system prior to this battle. For those of you not familiar with Khanid space, the Badivefi system is strategically important as it's the last HiSec system with stations before the border of 3-FKCZ in Querious. The stations there are among the few in Khanid space to have Clone Bays.
And of course, they seem to have moved in to the Amarr home system.
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CHrONiC CAiN
New Eden Virtual Arcade Company
1
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:21:26 -
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My last encounter with Seekers when Drifter battleships were in the system ended badly. After demolishing the seekers, 2 drifters arrived and vaporized my ship upon landing. It was instantaneous! I didn't target them and was already aligned but it made no difference. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
4746
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:33:30 -
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This sort of stuff is why we do not engage Drifters or Seekers. As a group we're quite happy to pay the price of a stupidly assymetric engagement - but engaging these ships is setting yourself up for a series of assymetric engagements with an implacable enemy.
Don't do it, is my advice.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
43111
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Posted - 2015.05.01 05:24:39 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Respectfully, Ms. Dusette, if the universe's lack of a clear sense of justice saddens you, you're apt to spend a lot of time being sad.
I never said I was sad. The situation is.
It's context, Ms Jenneth, no offence.
Aria Jenneth wrote:... Um. Also, considering that data from capsuleer interfaces can also be falsified, I'm puzzled that you're willing to accept such data while alleging falsified video footage. Surely stills are easier to manufacture?
Bluntly, if it's good enough for The Scope, and for the Drifters to try to interfere with, it seems ... well. Hard to argue with. Unless you're saying that the Drifters wouldn't recognize a falsified autopsy of one of their own, or would object to The Scope broadcasting that kind of misinformation?
All I've seen is a holo-reel of some capsuleers standing around what appears to be the corpse of a Drifter.
The interesting thing for me is that event is being used as a catalyst to try and fuel more "anti-Drifter" sentiment, if that's actually a thing. I find that intriguing, especially when I know of pilots who've been doing a lot of research and work in the field long before this autopsy, yet who's work has been overlooked by not only this research group, but DED.
So I ask for more solid evidence that this event took place and isn't motivated by some personal or shared political agenda.
It doesn't seem forthcoming. And that's fine, draw from that what you may. I'm merely a spectator to these events, living in Anoikis it's little more than amusing.
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Raast Lightstalker
InterSun Freelance
SONS of BANE
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 05:34:26 -
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Aaaaah, we talk and talk, yet they grow ever stronger.
It is time for CONCORD to release the shackles on us capsuleers and allow our capital ships re-entry to the empires higher security systems.
If only for the protection of our species
Place safeguards if they must, but it is the capsuleers who will defend against this new line of assault, not the empires |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
2351
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Posted - 2015.05.01 06:13:26 -
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Raast Lightstalker wrote:Aaaaah, we talk and talk, yet they grow ever stronger.
It is time for CONCORD to release the shackles on us capsuleers and allow our capital ships re-entry to the empires higher security systems.
If only for the protection of our species
Place safeguards if they must, but it is the capsuleers who will defend against this new line of assault, not the empires
yeah, if theres anything capsuleers need its LESS shackles.
Ever hear the story of the town that released snakes to stop a rat problem, and then scorpions to stop the snake problem? |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
966
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Posted - 2015.05.01 12:03:28 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:
You do realize, Tiberious, that Drifters have made unprovoked attacks, don't you? Or are you that narrow of mind that if they're not attacking you that's all that matters?
What's a provocation?
If you decide to poke them you'll get poked back. This involves starting hostilities or not keeping your distance to these structures, making you a perceived threat to their operations. It is quite common in these parts that outsiders that come close to military operations get shot before being asked questions.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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